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In Defense of Pete Rose

Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2007 12:05 AM by Keith Olbermann

Every reporter should have a story written about him, or failing that, have about 100 stories written about a story he generated. It’s the best reminder you can get of how easily assumptions, misunderstandings, and sloppiness can creep into the coverage of almost anything, from the weather forecast to a Pope’s funeral.

Case in point: Pete Rose, who rather matter-of-factly admitted “I bet on the Reds every night” to Dan Patrick and me on ESPN Radio Wednesday afternoon. To Pete, it was a simple correction of the timeline, an amplification on his previous confessions, a trading of further detail of one sorry sin, in order to expunge another sorry sin.

That’s not the way the rest of the media saw it.  

Fiction: The CBS Evening News had Armen Keteyian put together a package built around Rose’s remarks (if you listen carefully, you can hear me say “ok” as Pete talks – they edited Dan out, the bastards), which ended with Katie Couric’s pithy observation that after what he said to us, Rose’s Hall of Fame chances were now “kaput.”

Fact: Pete’s HOF chances have been pretty “kaput” for 18 years now. He certainly didn’t make them any worse, and there’s a slim chance he actually improved them. It took him forever, but he’s owned up to his transgressions and – and I’m saying this as somebody who had no sympathy for him from the time of the ban in 1989 right through to last April – I think that’s enough to merit reinstating him, provisionally.

Fiction: a Canadian website headlined this story “Rose Admits He Bet On Reds.”

Fact: Well he’s done that before, in his book in 2004 and in a memorable interview with Charlie Gibson on ABC. Last year, with Dan and me, he was downright contrite. He’s still the swaggering smartass who earned the derisive nickname “Charlie Hustle” from Whitey Ford in spring training of 1962, but he finally seems to have gotten it – he was wrong, he needed to admit it, he needed to fix himself. In the interview today he said he frankly doesn’t understand the gambling addiction he had, but he finally understands that he had it.

Fiction: a Buffalo radio station reported, at least on its website, maybe on the air itself, that Rose said “he isn’t ashamed to have bet on his team.”

Fact: Quite the contrary. Rose was saying he believed in his players, and in the strange way an addiction like compulsive gambling alters one’s perception, he felt he was expressing that conviction while betting.

He now seems plenty ashamed of the whole thing. But while he was doing this, betting on the Reds every night seemed to him like an expression of loyalty and pride.

Fiction: Sports Net New York – the Mets’ house all-sports station – referred to Rose making an “announcement” while on air to shamelessly promote himself.

Fact: Dan and I asked Rose to come on, not to promote himself, but because of something I saw in the media notes handed out by the Reds in Tampa last week. They were to stage, inside their ballpark in Cincinnati, a meet-and-greet with Rose, in advance of the opening of an exhibition at the Reds’ Hall of Fame, inside their ballpark in Cincinnati, paying tribute to “The Hit King.”

Needless to say, something like that had to have had baseball’s approval, and it seemed like quite a departure from an outright banishment so strict that when Rose simply showed up at a minor league game five seasons ago and interacted with some of the players, Baseball reprimanded the team and the players.

We wanted to know if this was some kind of precursor to baseball fully reinstating him.

He wasn’t promoting anything.

Fiction: This is being widely seen as a damning admission that his gambling was far worse than we ever thought.

Fact: It may be the other way around. It might have been slightly less awful. His admission of nightly betting came up only because, before he came on the air with us, I had repeated the standard history of his gambling while Reds’ manager: that he never bet against his own team, but that he often didn’t bet at all on their games. This, to me, was as great a transgression as the gambling itself, because it left open the prospect that he wouldn’t use his closer or would rest his key players during the games in which he had no wager. To me that was a kind of passive-aggressive game-fixing.

Rose was correcting me. Used that term. The emphasis was not “I BET on the Reds every night,” but “I bet on the Reds EVERY night.” To me, that takes a little of the sting out of the process. At least Pete Rose the manager wasn’t subservient to Pete Rose the compulsive gambler. At least the game outcomes weren’t affected because he was saving John Franco until a night he had $500 riding on the result.

Anyway, that’s the story. Obviously Dan and I recognized the significance of the remark as soon as he made it. I only wish everybody else reporting the story, second-hand, had a better grasp of its context.

[Listen to Keith & Dan's entire interview with Pete Rose here]

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Welcome back, "Bloggermann"! We missed you! (Hope this isn't the only time you return, either. I still want to see that season preview.) You have made a really good point here: at first, it sounds terrible for Rose to have said he bet on each and every game, but if he was betting at all--and we know he was, that's hardly news despite what some media outlets implied--at least he was betting on them all, rather than placing his bets according to when he expected the Reds to win, which would have been even worse. And there was a time when I was like you were--I said "Forget it, he deserves no chance at the Hall of Fame." But at least he's willing to admit he did something wrong. And in that, he's already got it all over anyone in the Bush Administration. (He didn't even try to weasel out of it by saying "Mistakes were made"!)
When I was a child, Pete Rose was one of my heroes. As are Jimmy Carter, Bill CLinton, and, yes, Keith Olbermann. But even the greatest of heroes has flaws. Pete may not be the best at expressing it, but I think today was a further acnowledgement of his flaws, and a chance for redemption. I hate that he bet on the Reds. In spite of everything, I was probably the last person in America to believe he didn't. I didn't want to. Newspeople can spin it anyway they like, but Pete did the right thing today. He owned up to something that could make things worse for him. Takes a lot of guts to say you're wrong. That's what makes a hero.
Just when you thought the newshole couldn't get any better. The bloggermann returns!!! Please Please PLEASE keep it coming! And to piggy back my fellow buckeye's comment, my childhood heroes were Han Solo and Captain Crunch. I loves me some cereal.
Of course heroes have flaws. That's why their heroes! They wouldn't be heroes if they didn't have flaws! Right?
I admire Pete Rose for standing up and making himself fully accountable for his actions and that he realizes that yes he had/has a gambling addicition. As for all these other media outlets talking in a sense sloppy seconds is just plain dumb, especially Katie Couric and her comments (I thought she knew better, evidently I have been proven wrong). It truly will be a shame if Pete Rose is never elected to the Hall of Fame. I think if people who took performance enhancing substances can get in and a man who bet on the Reds to win (especially the team he was the manager of) is like you said having faith in your team and knowing that they had the ability to win. Personally I think Rose should be reinstated back into baseball, however with the stipulation that he not be allowed to manage or be part of any minor or major league team. I think he should be allowed to be invited by any team that wants to have him and not have to worry about the punishment from MLB and I definatly think he should be in the Hall of Fame for the MLB.
Pete Rose bet on games he managed. Nothing new, the Dowd Report said that, and, apparently, Dowd had strong evidence that Rose DID NOT bet on every Reds game, specifically the ones Mario Soto started. Who to believe? If Rose had owned up right away, maybe things would be different. But for how many years did he say that he didn't bet on baseball? How can anyone trust what he says now? With his chances of getting into the Hall of Fame getting longer every year, and him admitting that that is the one thing he most wants, how can anyone trust what he says to be anything but self-serving spin?
Ok, the man bet on America's sport including his own team and damaged his opportunity to be a role model for young kids. Babe Ruth and his buddies played an exhibition game at a boys home where each time they made it to third base they had to stop and guzzle down a cup of beer from a keg placed in the coaches box before proceeding home. They became so drunk and abusive towards one another they had to shorten the game. Great role models huh? Players today claim they own the home run record after having pumped themselves full of steroids. Great role models huh?And there are many other stories of players who have not been angels in and around their chosen sport. We all can name quite a few. But none, none, and I repeat none, ever gave the effort that Charlie Hustle did when he was on that ball field. I don't know if he won his bets or lost them, but I would wager (no pun intended) that his greatest efforts of all were devoted to that game of baseball that he obviously loved more so than most. Pete is not the best of communicators, especially when attempting to apologize for his errors off the field (he had few on the field). It would have been best for him just to say he was sorry and then kept his mouth shut. But he was Charlie Hustle. Let the man into the Hall of Fame that is filled with great players, many of whom could not have played for the Angels as well.
He is clearly trying to get people to believe that his gambling in violation of express baseball rules to the contrary is NOT THAT BAD, because he was betting on his own guys to win. He wants people to say "Oh, it's ok because he was actually trying to support his team." But gambling is gambling. The rules expressly forbid it. And Pete knew that the whole time. He made his bed.
I feel sorry for Rose and I too believe his admission could possibly help him. There's no doubt he was the consummate baseball player. However, when it comes to baseball, I'm old fashioned I guess. I find that I'm still a little troubled by this. Is not betting one of the biggest no-no's in professional sports? It's an intriguing story for sure and as usual Keith, you're way ahead of the rest of the media. Just one more case of you "setting the record straight".
Oh, Keith. Looking to the rest of your media colleagues, hoping for context and a grasp of underlying issues. That is just so darn cute. Was Dan happy with your promotion of the show? By my count, you mentioned him by name, you mentioned the Big Show by name, there was a photo of you and Dan, AND there was a clip of his voice from the interview. Apart from actually having him on the show... oh darn, I found the one thing he still has to complain about...
I believe it was Mark Twain, or maybe Paul Hornung, who said, "Gambling is a Tax on the Ignorant." and I agree with that. The people who win are not Gambling. They are Collecting. Some are very nefarious and will go to great lengths to insure that Collection. Pete broke an old, but very good, rule. He belongs where he is. With the Black Sox.
Keith, Thanks for clearing that up. I grew up in Dayton, OH and watched the Reds all the while I was growing up. My Dad who passed away last year was a huge Cincinnati fan from the day he was born (right across the bridge in Covington, KY.) It was very disappointed when it came out that Pete bet on baseball and may never be considered for the Hall of Fame. Whatever anybody says about him though, he loved the game and loved playing it and gave his all whenever he was on the field or managing. You can't say that with too many players today. It also makes me very angry to see some sportscasters drool over Barry Bonds and the fact that he is still out there playing and making millions. Unfortunately like alcoholism and drugs, gambling is an addiction and as the former has ruined lives over the years, so gambling has done for Pete. We still love Pete, arrogance and all, because he still is a kid at heart when it comes to his love of the game.
Pete belongs in the Hall of Fame. He has an addiction to gambling and I’m sorry for that. He broke the rules and shouldn't be allowed to put on another uniform as a player or coach. But all that doesn’t change the FACT that he was a terrific player who earned his place in the Hall of Fame. He made a mistake and should pay for that with a ban – but you can’t just erase his achievements and years of service because you don’t like something else he did.
In the movie 'Field of Dreams' the fictionalized Shoeless Joe says "I'd have played for food money" or something like that. So would Rose. Pete didn't need the money, he had an illness, a secret. But I don't think it changed his love for his team, or his love for the game, or his loyalty. Players buy drugs in the parking lots, trainers keep meetings with bookies. But Rose got caught. We look the other way when politicians lie and steal. The only thing Rose ever stole was a base. He may never make the hall of fame, and so be it. But the world won't forget him and those who understand him know he never meant baseball any dishonor. The hell with the hall; I would rather that they let him coach or manage again, even for a minor league team. Forgive, forget, let him live the game he loves, and to which he gave so much.
pete rose should be judged for what he did on the field of baseball not off the field,in the workplace people are judged what they do at work not after work. pete should be in the hall of fame,at least he wasn't a druggie like some of the hall of famers. i think drugs is worse than gambling.
I think the people who vote should decide, not one man. The commmisioner of baseball should NOT be allowed to make this decision on his own. I personally would put him in the Hall where he belongs. I think Pete has suffered enough. He is undeniably one of the ALL TIME GREATS in baseball! At least let the man know for sure that he will be in the Hall after his death and let him know that his LIFE sentence of being banned from baseball will not prevent him from having his place in the Hall of Fame.
So you condemn Barry Bonds on something you can't prove, yet you defend Pete Rose on something you can prove. Does anybody else see a problem here?
After all the dissembling and evasion Rose has engaged in for years, you suddenly accept what he says at face value? Wake up, Keith! Even assuming he was telling some truth, the obvious follow-up question you should have pressed him with was how much he bet on his team per night. I wouldn't be surprised if some nights it was a token bet, and other nights he bet a ton. In the end, it's the same as not betting some nights and betting others. Bottom line - Pete Rose bet on baseball, an act which he knew was subject to harsh punishment. He needs to acknowledge to himself what he did. Then he can seek forgiveness, which I expect would rapidly follow. Until then, don't be an enabler for him.
Looks like we need a new "Asterisk Hall of Fame" for all the gamblers, steroid users, and other miscreants who happened to have outstanding sports careers. Rose, Bonds, et al knew what they were doing and what the consequences would be if they were found out. Maybe a "Hall of Shame."
If Pete Rose is ever to be elected to the Hall of Fame, and I'm still undecided on that, it should be POSTHUMOUS. He must never have the satisfaction (and $$$) of knowing he got there.
Rose is and was a bum! Just another overpaid athlete that believes his @#$* doesn't stink and is above the law. We have few morals left in America today, and Rose beats us all with having none!
Which version of Charley's hustle do we wish to believe? The man was born to be an attorney general. I understand that there may be an opening in that field, soon.
I don't care if they reinstate Rose. But the Hall of Fame, without him, is not indicative of the greats of the game. There are plenty of men in the hall who wouldn't be there if their character had been considered in the balloting. I will not visit the Hall as long as Rose is not in it. Not because I think he is a great man, but because he was a great ball player.
Would someone please tell me the difference in betting on your own team to win vs taking steroids to improve your performance. As far as I'm concerned Pete Rose made mistakes, but he shouldn't be villified for it. Betting on his own team to win has nothing to do with the contributions he made to the Reds or baseball.
"He who is without sin" Yeow!! when are the hopelessly pure going to stop busting Pete's chops. It is eactly as it looks. Pete was and is a strong athlete who backed his team with energy and money. This guy obviously played to win and I am sure that the main focus of the "No Gambling" rule was to insure that nobody bet "against" their team to throw a game. Violation of any rules must adjudicated on a case by case basis.
Pete Rose finally realized that he had no chance in hell in every making it into the HOF unless he confessed up to what he did. Now that he's at a age where time against him now he want to own up to his betting. If Rose think this is going to help him get into the HOF or become a Manager again he had 18 years to right the wrong. It's funny what reality will make you do or say. Tell Rose to keep signing baseballs because that's about as close as he's going to get to the game.
Just another fine example of the great American apologia: do something knowingly and unequivocally wrong, get caught, deny it until you can"t any more, then have the emotional press conference admitting the guilt that had long since been proven, write the book, make a few millions, blame your parents, the alignment of the planets, whatever, and wait for people to call you a hero. I don't buy i. The lesson we teach our children is do something wrong, then admit it and all's well. Hey Pete, you lied, cheated and got busted-no more a hero than any other loser who got caught.. Man up and shut up
Rose admits what he did (betting on his team) was wrong, but at the same time said he did it because he believed in his team. This statement seems to me Rose's way of explaining away his behavior. It appears to me that Rose still does not realize (or acknowledge)the full impact his gambling might have had on the integrity of baseball. His statement that he wants to manage again shows to me that he still doesn't fully get it. And no Pete, the integrity of the game doesn't have a price. Having said all of that, I believe that Rose is a sick guy. A gambling addiction, in my view, is an illness. It shows in the statements Rose makes. He has made progress by admitting he was wrong, but still has a way to go. Rose obviously has character flaws too, but no one is perfect. I would like to see Rose reinstated in some way. I tend to agree that he should not be allowed to manage, or be directly involved in the day to day operations of a team. But he could have some role.
I just don't think gambling is a big deal.  Steroids is cheating... gambling?  No big deal.  I may be influenced by growing up around horse racing, but it just doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

Babe Ruth held the home run record for years. He was a big man, huge shoulders, arms, very strong wrists and a belly that added extra power to his swing. And the ball used when he hit them into and out of the stands was as soft as softball is today. To tell me that guys like Bonds and some others who have greatly surpassed this record with the ball used today, better bats and at higher impact speeds from the pitchers of today, and to say they don't have some help from muscle enhancing drugs that have to the naked eye increased their physcial mass in a few short seasons. Give me a break. Nope, can't say 100% positive that Bonds has used steroids, but testimony indicates that steroids is in wide use among the players today. And that testimony has come from the players themselves.
Frankly I am surprised at how easily Keith takes Pete Rose's latest version of how and when he bet on his team as the actual truth. Given Pete Rose's history of outright denial followed by grudging admission of betting on some games and not others, why would anyone assume that this story is true? Even if it is, did he bet the same amount on every game? If not, the size of the bet could certainly be a significant piece of inside information for the professional gamblers. Pete Rose was a force of nature on the field, but to me, his history of gambling on games and of repeatedly lying about that gambling until he becamed convinced (by some in the media) that confession would free his path and lift his banishment merits banishment. Please keep Pete Rose out of baseball. He has not done anything to convince me that this latest announcement is anything other than an attempt to fudge the truth to pad his bank account. Enough already.
I find no joy in baseball anymore, and I was at Pete's last game as a manager, am a huge former Reds fan, and just find so much wrong with what the current administration is doing with the 700 million dollars it swindled away into FAKE military companies, stealing from the taxpayers, and it sickens me you will put more interest in Pete than the "Carol Lam" story.
The Dowd report says that he didn't bet on every Reds game. He initially denied he bet at all; why should we believe him now? Moreover, even if he did bet on every game, the question that should have been asked is whether he bet the same amount on every game. If he bet thousands on most games and only a few hundred when Soto was pitching, then his actions sent a message to people in the betting world that, since he had access to inside information, something was up and he therefore impaired the integrity of the game.
Funny thing with all of this is that in most professional sports, players get chances to redeem themselves and improve on their mistakes or continue to make them with excalating consequences. What is it now it takes 3 or 4 postive tests for drugs, or alcohol abuses, or steroids in professional football before you are banned for life. Maybe the same with baseball and basketball, I am guessing it is much the same. (not fully versed in the rules and punishment)Steriods and drug use affects the outcome of the game more so than Pete betting on the Reds to win. Of the one thing I do believe with Pete, it is that he bet to win, and played to win, and managed to win. So why is it that the govening bodies and unions give so many opportunities to make mistakes before being banned to players now a days. Now granted, Pete denied it, but then how many other players have denied it, made up excuses, and still remained to play the game. I think that Pete should probably never again be employed in baseball in a postion that he could bet and/or affect the game, but I do believe that Pete earned his way into the Hall of Fame, long before he earned his walk down the hall of shame.
Two words: "Yeah,right", two more: other shoe, two more: I forgot, two more: beat it. Bum.
I guess Pete thought the Reds would go 162-0!
So the defendant shows up in front of the judge, guilty beyond a shadow of doubt. The judge looks at the defendant - who happens to be his own son - and says, "Well, that's alright, we'll let you slide on this one, but nobody else better try it!" Justice has just been thrown out the window, hasn't it? The integrity of the game of baseball rests on the fact that baseball must be willing to punish even its most cherished sons for infractions of the rules. If the "no gambling" rule is "flexible" for certain great hitters, then what next? You don't have to touch all the bases?
To hear all of the stories of drunks, womenizers, and in general jerks that have all been put into the Hall of Fame makes Pete's not being in, extremly hypocritical. What he did after getting 4256 hits should have no bearing on the Hall of Fame. As I understand it's a players Hall of Fame, not a Managers. No one has, or likely will ever have that many hits. Some one who is likely going to break the home run record, does not even have 3000.
I abhor the egregious conduct of Pete Rose and the way he dragged baseball through the mud. Lest we think it is ONLY Mr. Rose who is guilty of this, let us look back on the sport. Countless members of the sport have spat upon the purity and beauty of the game. Of greatest note in my memory is the despicable way in which Tommy Lasorda declared to the world that he cared not for players - only winning. How did Mr. Lasorda do this? In the 1988 World Series, Manager Lasorda sent Kirk Gibson to bat in a condition in which he should not have been in uniform, let alone holding and swinging a bat. There is nothing heroic or laudable about telling a player (in actions) "I don't care about you, your physical health, or your ability to ply your craft. I only care about winning." I am fully aware that I am in the minority. The Neanderthals of the sports world - players and fans alike - look upon the Kirk Gibson home run as a tremendous feat of heroism. I look upon it as another in a stream of barbaric behaviors and decision-making throughout the world of sports. No, Mr. Rose has a great many partners in crime - players, coaches and fans, who degrade sports and society with a need for pain and blood. Thank you just the same, but I am quite satisfied with my testosterone level.
Pete Rose is not a hero. He was a MLB player. Why do we set moral/ethical standards for our professional atheletes which are analagous to our government leaders? "Let no baseball commissioner or even the President think they are greater than the game". Because this administration expects the rest of us to conform to a moral code of ethics, which they themselves won't adhere to, who does ANYONE person think they are adminstering a lifetime ban to someone who "puts their pants on the same way I do." I say Pete Rose belongs in the hall of fame based solely on his contribution as a player, because thats all he was.
My 94-year-old mother LOVES Pete Rose and has worn out her favorite Pete Rose T-shirt. I believe that he should be forgiven and admitted to the Hall of Fame and given a job in Baseball. Do we punish people with addictions FOREVER? The people in charge of the Baseball Hall of Fame must be very sanctimonious and unforgiving folks!
I think enough is enough.Pete Rose gave it all he had when he was out on that field playing ball.I think his record shows that.We all make mistakes in life and I think its time we forgive and put Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame where he belongs.We know if anyone has the right to be there for their accomplishments then it's definitely Pete Rose.So get off of Pete Roses back and give him what he truly has worked for,The Hall Of Fame.I'am rooting for you Pete.
I grew up in Cincinnati and will always love our Pete Rose. I only wish he would have pulled a full crying, please forgive me "Jimmy Swaggert" type confession when the gambling revelations occurred. We would not be having these discusssion today if he had!
Let's get priorities straight... Betting on your team: Worse Betting against your term: Worser Doing Steroids: Worst
Cap Anson led the drive to exclude black players from the majors and he's in the hall of fame. Ty Cobb was a flaming racist and he's in the hall of fame. Philanderers, drunks, speed-freaks, spitballers, bat-corkers, and sign-stealers are in the hall of fame. Ultimately, it's the voters who decide. Let the voters decide here. If they think Rose should be excluded because he violated a basic rule deemed fundamental to the integrity of the game, well, we'll live by their vote. If they vote him in because he was Charlie Hustle who hit and played like a demon, well, we'll live with that. This debate is getting stale. Let's start worrying about whether the Mets will win the world series this year.
Perhaps Rose really is doing the most good for the sport he loves by continually being held up as a bad example, thereby warning others off from gambling?
Rose knew the rules regarding gambling and today he's still crying about the consequences of his choices. Addiction or not, a "real man" would accept the consequences and get on with his life. As far as the HOF is concerned, his numbers as well as his influence on the team are difficult to ignore. I say let him in the HOF posthumously, it's only fair.
i dont care what bart giamati or fay vincent say, this man, pete rose was one of the greatest baseball players i have ever seen play the game. he gave a 110% day in and day out. he is/was the true iron man of the game. i would take 9 pete roses over the drek that some of the teams field. and what about them bums who are taking drugs....rose never did that...
He was one of the greatest for what he did on the field. He never threw a game or bet against his team. He bet on them to win. Pete should be in the hall of fame, PERIOD
Pete Rose would be bored in the Hall of Fame. His Hall of Fame was making precision throws to first base, skillfully putting baseballs in places where fielders couldn't get to them, then charging around the baseball diamond and slamming into catchers - that's the Hall of Fame he loved. It's his (and our) memories of that time that is most satisfying today. I salute Pete Rose for making this Hall of Fame, our memories, that stretches to baseball parks all across America. Cooperstown would be a little confining to Pete Rose.


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