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In Defense of Pete Rose

Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2007 12:05 AM by Keith Olbermann

Every reporter should have a story written about him, or failing that, have about 100 stories written about a story he generated. It’s the best reminder you can get of how easily assumptions, misunderstandings, and sloppiness can creep into the coverage of almost anything, from the weather forecast to a Pope’s funeral.

Case in point: Pete Rose, who rather matter-of-factly admitted “I bet on the Reds every night” to Dan Patrick and me on ESPN Radio Wednesday afternoon. To Pete, it was a simple correction of the timeline, an amplification on his previous confessions, a trading of further detail of one sorry sin, in order to expunge another sorry sin.

That’s not the way the rest of the media saw it.  

Fiction: The CBS Evening News had Armen Keteyian put together a package built around Rose’s remarks (if you listen carefully, you can hear me say “ok” as Pete talks – they edited Dan out, the bastards), which ended with Katie Couric’s pithy observation that after what he said to us, Rose’s Hall of Fame chances were now “kaput.”

Fact: Pete’s HOF chances have been pretty “kaput” for 18 years now. He certainly didn’t make them any worse, and there’s a slim chance he actually improved them. It took him forever, but he’s owned up to his transgressions and – and I’m saying this as somebody who had no sympathy for him from the time of the ban in 1989 right through to last April – I think that’s enough to merit reinstating him, provisionally.

Fiction: a Canadian website headlined this story “Rose Admits He Bet On Reds.”

Fact: Well he’s done that before, in his book in 2004 and in a memorable interview with Charlie Gibson on ABC. Last year, with Dan and me, he was downright contrite. He’s still the swaggering smartass who earned the derisive nickname “Charlie Hustle” from Whitey Ford in spring training of 1962, but he finally seems to have gotten it – he was wrong, he needed to admit it, he needed to fix himself. In the interview today he said he frankly doesn’t understand the gambling addiction he had, but he finally understands that he had it.

Fiction: a Buffalo radio station reported, at least on its website, maybe on the air itself, that Rose said “he isn’t ashamed to have bet on his team.”

Fact: Quite the contrary. Rose was saying he believed in his players, and in the strange way an addiction like compulsive gambling alters one’s perception, he felt he was expressing that conviction while betting.

He now seems plenty ashamed of the whole thing. But while he was doing this, betting on the Reds every night seemed to him like an expression of loyalty and pride.

Fiction: Sports Net New York – the Mets’ house all-sports station – referred to Rose making an “announcement” while on air to shamelessly promote himself.

Fact: Dan and I asked Rose to come on, not to promote himself, but because of something I saw in the media notes handed out by the Reds in Tampa last week. They were to stage, inside their ballpark in Cincinnati, a meet-and-greet with Rose, in advance of the opening of an exhibition at the Reds’ Hall of Fame, inside their ballpark in Cincinnati, paying tribute to “The Hit King.”

Needless to say, something like that had to have had baseball’s approval, and it seemed like quite a departure from an outright banishment so strict that when Rose simply showed up at a minor league game five seasons ago and interacted with some of the players, Baseball reprimanded the team and the players.

We wanted to know if this was some kind of precursor to baseball fully reinstating him.

He wasn’t promoting anything.

Fiction: This is being widely seen as a damning admission that his gambling was far worse than we ever thought.

Fact: It may be the other way around. It might have been slightly less awful. His admission of nightly betting came up only because, before he came on the air with us, I had repeated the standard history of his gambling while Reds’ manager: that he never bet against his own team, but that he often didn’t bet at all on their games. This, to me, was as great a transgression as the gambling itself, because it left open the prospect that he wouldn’t use his closer or would rest his key players during the games in which he had no wager. To me that was a kind of passive-aggressive game-fixing.

Rose was correcting me. Used that term. The emphasis was not “I BET on the Reds every night,” but “I bet on the Reds EVERY night.” To me, that takes a little of the sting out of the process. At least Pete Rose the manager wasn’t subservient to Pete Rose the compulsive gambler. At least the game outcomes weren’t affected because he was saving John Franco until a night he had $500 riding on the result.

Anyway, that’s the story. Obviously Dan and I recognized the significance of the remark as soon as he made it. I only wish everybody else reporting the story, second-hand, had a better grasp of its context.

[Listen to Keith & Dan's entire interview with Pete Rose here]

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I am soo grateful there was a little basbeall action on your show KO. Growing up in Cleveland, there was never such drama as there is in Cincy. I admore P. Rose for being the true athlete he is. But the true facts are, he has an addiction and an addiction is an addiction, no matter how you slice it or dice it, ( no pun ) intended. He has done the crime, and obviously the time, ( meaning no great accolades), a little foregiveness goes along way, he is deservant of at least that. People should not forget the joy he brought to the city, the team, and to each individual fan. Let bygones be bygones and get that Man a place in the Hall of FAme, not the Hall of Shame.
Cheers to Pete Tschantz. He's SO right about the HOF players who wouldn't be there if character had really had anything to do with their selection. I have two words for you in that context: Ty Cobb. The GA Peach was no GA peach, just a drunken cracker bum. Call me some kind of radical, though; when Pete goes in I want to see Shoeless Joe Jackson, Eddie Cicotte et. al. go in too. After all, Charlie Comiskey was not a man of admirable character either.
I loved watching Pete Rose play baseball. I have never seen anyone in any sport give as much as he did to the game for as long of a period. There was never any doubt that he gave 110% every play of every game. Charlie Hustle. He always left everything he had on the field. The issue with gambling is not the betting, but the implication the if gamblers will ultimately fixed games. The empherical evidence is that did not happen. If it did, we would not be asserting that he gave everything to the game. As one of the greatest players ever, Pete Rose earned his place in the hall of fame. If he fixed games, tar and feather him (as we've done for gambling), but he still should be in the HOF for what he did on the field.
I listen to The Dan Patrick show daily, & I heard Keith say a day or two before the Pete Rose interview that he thought Rose would eventually be allowed back into baseball in some capacity or other; it appears that may be true. It's great that Pete finally sees his gambling addiction as a problem, but the sad fact of addiction is that by its very nature it corrupts the best intentions & judgements that people have. That's why it's BAD. I don't see how Pete Rose could have risen above it so it didn't affect his management of the team. The original ban should stand-forever.
Pete Rose is an addict, and addicts are good at one thing. Rationalizing their destructive behaviors. One thing addicts are not good at is taking responsibility for their destructive behaviors. As long as he is alive, he should never be involved with baseball again. He broke the rules and should have to face the consequences of doing so. Judging by the opinions expressed here by my fellow posters, the point of Mr. Olbermann's article was completely missed. It wasn't about Pete Rose per se. It was about the salacious nature of our 24/7 news coverage culture which fears dead air time more than the icy hand of Death himself. They need to fill 24/7 of air time and jump on every little tid bit and make more of it than is really there.
Is it called the Hall Of Fame because the Commissioner Of Baseball thinks the people inducted are worthy or is it the Hall Of Fame for the people, who pay to watch their heroes play the game? Let the Commissioner build his own hall and put whoever he wants in it and let the people have OUR hall and OUR heroes. IMHO Pete Rose is one of those heroes...one of OUR heroes...who's onfield actions qualify him to be in the hall.
Pete Rose knew the prohibition on gambling, had an addiction such that he bet anyway, made outstanding contributions to the game while harming himself and the game, and now gets to live with the knowledge his addiction, which he knew about, fueled his life and was his downfall in terms of getting into the hall of fame. Rules for entry to the hall of fame are important. They don't otherwise diminish his (and others') knowledge of his accomplishment.
While I didn't have the pleasure of seeing Pete play (other than in clips) I feel, as others in this post do also, that he should be considered for how he played as a player not his later life's issues. Would the 'powers that be' act so intolerant if he had gotten a DUI or been accused of rape as other sports players have been? I'm sure the ones I allude to will be inducted into their sport's hall of fame when the time comes without issue.
Pete Rose was a great player and belongs in the Hall of Fame. In my opinion, the gambling rule was made for those who might throw games for personal gain (like the Black Sox); Pete gambled because he knew he had a winning team. Many people in our society are more intent on punishment than foregiveness and we are worse off for it.
Sorry Pete, do not pass go, do not collect your betting chits, do not go to the HOF Pete. You lied, you lied a lot, you lied a lot for a long, long time. Admitting you lied does not make you a HOFer, it makes you, yes, a liar.
You can say what you want about Pete Rose, personally, I don't like the guy. However, if anyone ever belonged in the Baseball Hall of Fame it is him. For one thing, you look at his record as a player, not as a manager. If Rose hadn't became manager of the Reds he would have been in the Hall of Fame long ago. Nobody ever played harder than Pete Rose & Johnny Bench. If Rose isn't inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame, they might as well close it down. If there were a Moral Hall of Fame, he would be the last person I would want voted in. This is about the person as a baseball player, not as a role model. When Rose took the field, he had only one thing in mind,Winning. Guys with an ego like his can't stand to lose, not even for a bet. This is in fact, the Baseball PLAYERS Hall of Fame, not the Baseball Managers Hall of Fame, or the Moral Majority Hall of Fame. Rose made a lot of enemies' both on and off the field during his career, but so did Babe Ruth. Is he in the Hall of Fame? Think about it.
KO, My grandfather taught me at a young age that if you ever want to start an argument with someone, bring up either politics or religion. Is it now safe to add Pete Rose going into the HOF to that list? I enjoy listening to you and Dan on the Big Show in the afternoons, and I did get a chance to listen to the Rose interview yesterday. After the interview was over, I thought it was a good conversation but nothing overly revealing (other than the fact that he bet on his team EVERY night). But when I got home last night, I was shocked with the amount of press coverage the interview got. Did I miss something else in the interview? Why did Katie Couric feel it was necessary to mention this on the evening news? This is basically "remastering" a picture that Rose painted for us 2yrs ago, no? Either way, the debate for his HOF election is an interesting one. Does he deserve to be in for his playing career, and accomplishments? Yes. Does he deserve to be punished for the greatest sin you can commit on the field of play: gambling on your sport and your team? Yes. Am I glad it isn't my decision to make? Yes. It is a sad story, but it is also good to see that finally Rose is seeing the error in his ways. Keep up the good work.
Nobody ever played the game of Baseball with more enthusiasm than Pete Rose.He hustled on every play,ran out every walk,hit,pop-up,or fly-out.He played hard every minute of every game!Charley Hustle deserves to be in the MLB Hall of Fame!He earned it on the field of play,and earned the respect of the players he played with,and against,because of his passion and love of the game.Put Pete in the HOF,because he earned it with his sweat and blood.He deserves to be in as much,or more than,the other players who are already there.They all have skeletons of some kind,in their closets.They all sinned,one way or another,but it didn't keep them out!
All professional ballplayers, coaches and managers know the rule: NO BETTING! It doesn't matter if he bet on one ballgame or every ballgame. His betting struck at the integrity of the game. Pete Rose knew the rule and disregarded it. Talk of Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa or Mark McGuire is irrelevant. Rose thumbed his nose at one of baseball's modst sacred rules. He does not belong in the Hall of Fame!
It doesn't take courage to admit a mistake, it takes honesty. And Pete Rose has been dishonest with himself and his fans for too long. He should accept his punishment and pay his penalty. THAT takes courage.
Pete Rose deserves to be in the hall of fame. We gave 110% in every game he played or managed. So he gambled, and bet on his own team to win always. He never threw a game or did anything to harm the game. Is gambling any worse than the current crop of drug users, steroid use, etc.
wow, what a thread! way to go, KO. let pete in the hall. base it on his playing. he was a great player. let the people vote, as that earlier poster wrote. i like that idea. so the great babe ruth was a womanizing drunk. he's in the hall. the difference is on using baseball, i understand that, but the bigger concept, that of role model.... well, pete gave his all when he was on the field, and that's a pretty good model. it is shameful how they select players to go into the hall, anyway. they have no bragging rights here. pete needs to be in the hall [and so does gil hodges, but that's another story]
Keith you hit it on the head. Distortion is the key to most media outlets ratings. I agree Pete has made mistakes and broke THE GOLDEN RULE OF BASEBALL. The hall of fame in my humble opinion is for what players do doing their playing days, and based on that Rose should be in the hall of fame (ahead of his biggest slandering team mate Johnny Bench). His record while playing the game is stellar and he deserves to be in the hall of fame.
Adrian "Cap" Anson: Extreme racist. Ty Cobb: VIOLENT racist. Babe Ruth: Drunken philanderer. Leo Durocher: Suspended one year for consorting with gamblers. Wade Boggs: Cheated on his wife. Ferguson Jenkins: Convicted coke user. Orlando Cepeda: Convicted tax evader. John McGraw: Held opposing runners by the belt to prevent their advancing. Gaylord Perry: WROTE A BOOK describing the illegal pitches he threw. The list of miscreants goes on and on, but the men all have one thing in common: they're in the Hall because of what they did on the field, not off. Peter Edward Rose once said, "I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit just to play baseball," and proved it every time he took the field. (Ask Ray Fosse.) Despite whatever flaws he had/has, he has earned his place with the immortals of the game -- and to his famous No. 14 retired by his hometown Reds.
For the life of me I will never understand why Pete Rose is barred from the HOF for gambling ON HIS TEAM TO WIN (not lose, mind you), when we KNOW there are men who take steroids, among other outlawed drugs. I don't understand the huge preoccupation with "gambling." Drugs are also against the rules, and a far worse transgression, but there have been dozens of players of many sports (baseball & football, to name two) who have been caught with or taking illegal drugs, and who not only are still playing their sport, but will probably one day be in their respective HOF. Can someone please explain to me what's up with all this????
Rose earned his way into the hall of fame, simple as that. What's the point in keeping him out....to impress upon the little leaguers around the country that in baseball there is no redemtion?
When I was young my parents took me to Riverfront Stadium to see the "Big Red Machine" play and if we weren't there, we listened to the games on the radio. I still have my baseball hat with the names of all the players written in my childish handwriting...right there in the middle of all of them is Pete Rose. I have the special section of our local paper when Pete made his 3000th hit as well as several other pieces of memorabilia from my younger days. I never really cared that he bet on baseball, I didn't care how he did it, where he did it or who he placed bets on and I still don't. I just know that I believe he should be in the baseball hall of fame because of the player he was, he deserves the recognition, he was a great player.
I wore number 14 in grade school ball and even learned to bat left handed in the Pete Rose style(crouched over). Great player and baseball needed him as badly as he needed them. Guess what...in the light of steroids they still do.
Admission of guilt should not diminish the consequences. Accepting the consequences shows redemption. Humility is the result of a redemption. I'm still waiting to see a humble Pete. I'll keep hoping but Im not going to bet on it.
I am not a baseball fan and know Pete Rose only by reputation. However, if a player or coach bets evenly in favor of his team on every game, there would not to seem to pose any greater conflict of interest than a pitcher agreeing to be paid a bonus for games won. Obviously, Rose's gambling was against the rules, but doesn't this new information obviate the reasons that gambling is prohibited and therefore eliminate or at least mitigate any moral turpitude by Rose? P.S. I don't follow sports. I happened upon this site because I am an Olbermann fan.
Let him in!!!!! I love Pete Rose and in the midst of rampant steroid use, let's forgive him and give him what he is due.
The home run record might be broken by a person that used steroids to build the mass it would take to launch a baseball over the outfield wall. Others have snorted and sniffed and smoked and whose knows what while in the big leagues. We even have people that murder other people that eventually get out of jail. And then there is Pete Rose. Finally being honest. The Hall of Fame to me will always be the Hall of Shame until Pete Rose can be inducted. One of the greatest baseball players ever, and he always bet on his team to WIN, not lose, but to WIN. Let him in
The man bet IN FAVOR of Cincy every night (among a plethora of routine bets). It's like the person in the NCAA pool who puts his/her team in the final four despite their slim chances of advancing. It just sweetens the contest a little... expresses hope and loyalty. Reinstate him already. He's one of the greatest to ever step onto the field. (I've got the Hoosiers in the Final Four BTW)
I don't care if Rose was betting on baseball or not, as long as he didn't do anything to sway games, and I've never seen any facts to say he did. Gambling is just another bad habit of society and baseball players are just people. This Rose story is over already.
Pete Rose lied for years about gambling on baseball games. Now he says he's sorry so he should get into the Hall of Fame and maybe let him manage again. Since the Black Sox scandal one thing has remained unchanged in Team Lockerrooms. "No GAMBLING". He broke the Rule and we're supposed to reward him? No wonder this country is so screwed up. No one is responsible for their actions.
No doubt MLB has a paranoid fixation about gambling. But there's one thing about Pete Rose that can never be changed/modified/stricken: 4,256 hits. I would be amazed if anybody in my lifetime approaches that. I am not so hot about Pete - he stinks of arrogance, but my opinion about his getting into the HOF has changed over the years. Imagine a kid visiting the hall and asking "daddy, who has the career record for most hits, I don't see any name here?" Cut Pete some slack and put him in the hall, he belongs just for that record. Oh, and while you're at it reopen discussion about Joe Jackson. After 87 years of being banned, hasn't he paid his dues?
This man is the greatest and most prolific hitter in the history of the game. Give him his due and put him in the Hall of Fame where he belongs. Add an asterisk if it makes you fell better about yourself to be reminded that even the greatest of us have flaws. Pete-you're the greatest!! I love ya man, and would love to meet you someday!
Many are saying that Pete Rose should not be believed because he lied to cover up a past mistake....everyone single one of you has lied at some point in their life, but all expect others to continue to believe you, to value your opinion, go ahead and point fingers, i'm pointing mine right back to you.
The only problem I have with the latest Pete Rose confession is that I have the feeling there's one more shoe to drop. Something like "I bet on my team every night ... and, oh yeah, sometimes I bet AGAINST my team." I still don't think he's come 100% clean.
Michael Irvin is in the Football Hall of Fame. He was a great football player and deserves to be there. Pete Rose was, in terms of hits and hustle at least, the BEST there ever was. To keep him out is a travesty. And everybody loves to say "what about the children" or it's affects on the young fans. I guess you can do coke with strippers and go to the NFL Hall of Fame. Heck, in baseball you could have been a total racist who shunned Jackie Robinson and thought he should have had a seperate locker room and you are celibrated and imortalized in Canton. To have a guy who obviously gave the game all he had in the pre-steroids era (granted, greenies were everywhere) is a sham.
Well, I say that if they let todays current crop of steroid sluggers into the hall, they better damn well let Mr. Rose and and the "Black Sox" in. What good are rules if they are not enforced?
Pete Rose, the player, deserves to be in the Baseball Hall of Fame. Pete Rose, the manager, does not. Induct him for his record and efforts between the lines. Make it clear that his actions outside the lines were unacceptable. What better way to make it clear than a statement to that fact in the HOF itself?
Thank you for setting the record straight as far as Rose's remarks to you and Dan Patrick went. What are the odds (please, no money bets!) that the news about the true story won't get as much air time? I have very mixed feelings about Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame, but everyone deserves to have their story reported correctly. Thanks for righting everyone else's wrong.
It's not The Morality Hall of Fame. His gambling has ZERO to do with his being the all-time hits leader. If you want to add a line to his Hall of Fame plaque censuring him, so be it.
I say Pete the "Player" should be admitted to the Hall of Fame and continue the lifetime ban on Pete the "manager." He should not be allowed to manage again but his player credentials are worthy of entry. And that is the tragedy of all this, his post player misdeeds should not be held against him as far as his entry into the HOF as a player.
This new revelation is even more reason to put Pete in the Hall of Fame. A guy who loved his team so much that he bet his own money on them to win EVERY night. That's beautiful. Reinstate him now!
Look, I admire Peter Rose; but do I think punishment is in order here. He made us wait 20 years to find out the truth. Let's make him wait another 20 years to induct him into the Hall of Fame. Fair is fair.
Nobody can take away or deny what Pete Rose did for the game of baseball. While gambling is illegal, than why do we condone someone that has admitted to cocaine abuse and yet gets re-instated only to get busted again. We are all to blame for allowing gambling, drinking, steriods and other substances by saying that it is wrong, that it kills, but yet it is still available. Pete Rose is a hall of famer and deserves to be recognized as such.
Andrew has the right idea.There were far worse transgressions being perputrated and they were allowed in.Maybe all HOF players should be voted in posthomously to make sure that baseball is represented by only the purest of humanbeings.Besides it is hard to find a player with as much dedication on the field as Rose showed in his playing days.
Pete Rose belongs in Baseball's Hall of Fame. In fact, it lessens the significance of the Hall of Fame by excluding him.
I have read the above, and I know he admitted what he did, but he does have conversation with anyone that requests it, where as now, the players refuse to admitt that they take steroids, etc. and hide from interviews and nothing seems to be done as far as punishments. The public loves him and appreciates his honesty and his hard work. He has lived with his thoughts for a long time...I say "Give him his due, and let him enjoy the company of all the other heros in baseball, that "WE" love.
We only "know" that he bet on his team every game because that what he's told us. Previously he's told us that he didn't gamble at all; that he gambled but didn't bet on baseball; that he bet on baseball but not on his team; that he bet on his team but always to win but not every game; and now that he bet on his team every game. What will he tell us five years from now? Sorry, Charlie Hustle, fool me once, shame on you . . .
Thanks Keith. Its great that we have a know it all from Cornell around to clear things up for us. I thank god every day that I have you on radio and television to help to though another day. It's a miracle I can survive your days off.
if pete rose cant have the hall of fame then at least he should have his own library,free lifetime bodyguards,free health care. annd a very very fat pension-this will teach him not to bet on baseball again--he can try basketball instead.
4,256 STERIOD FREE hits. That says it all. The man deserves a bust in Cooperstown. He earned it with his bat. The day baseball, or any sport, becomes a hallowed sactuary of morality is that day that hell freezes over.


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