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Private Dick

Posted: Monday, June 25, 2007 10:20 AM by Countdown

Some of what we're working on for tonight...



It’s Dick Cheney’s world. We all – including President Bush – just live in it. For instance, if you really want to know who the real Attorney General of the United States is, look no further than Mr. Cheney’s Chief-of-Staff, lawyer, and general consigliere, David Addington. Part two of the Washington Post’s excellent four-part series on the Vice President reveals Alberto Gonzales is really no more than a Cheney (and Addington) flunky. Part one revealed that Mr. Cheney even spies on other senior members of the White House staff.

Thus, it should come as no surprise that Mr. Gonzales apparently has done nothing to investigate the Vice President’s refusal to comply with that executive order requiring all federal offices to comply with reporting procedures on how they’re safeguarding classified documents. The Justice Department, even going so far as to claim it has never even received any letters about the matter.  (In related news, the office of the nation’s chief executive appears to be trying to claim it isn’t part of the executive branch either. Please make the madness stop.)

Finally, Rolling Stone points out that Mr. Cheney was also in charge of the administration’s campaign to deny global warming. Forget the jokes - maybe the man really is president after all.

MUDDYING THE WATERS Another facet of the Bush administration’s strategy for undermining the September deadline for its progress report to Iraq on Congress is taking shape: More progress reports. Taking a page out of its playbook from the release of the Iraq Study Group report, the administration is commissioning other assessments. A) We’ll all have to wait for them to be finished and B) Mr. Bush can pick and choose among the many conclusions.

As Frank Rich of the New York Times points out, we can be certain that any bad news from the administration on Iraq, is certain to come on or as near to 9/11 as possible, cloaked in as much irrational language about the “consequences of failure” as possible. If you believe such rhetoric isn’t effective, Newsweek recently discovered that “four in ten Americans (41 percent) still believe Saddam Hussein's regime was directly involved in financing, planning or carrying out the terrorist attacks on 9/11.” Sobering figure, aint it?  

The L.A. Times reports this morning that the Bush administration is quietly coming around to the idea that it both needs to “compromise” with Congress on Iraq and that any solution for that country would need it to be decentralized. Countdown wonders – How quickly until the Democrats cave?

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All this transparency means from now on, whenever Dubya says something or he is quoted in the media as saying something, we can just assume theat he is as dumb as we've heard, and that Cheney is really doing the talking.  Is this what William Renquist wanted when he cooked the 2000 election?  I don't think so, America!
Dick Cheney.  Funeral Director in Charge of the Services for the Late, Great, United States of America.  
Dick Cheney.  Funeral Director in Charge of the Services for the Late, Great, United States of America.  
If the Executives are not part of the Executive Branch of Government, does that mean there is no Executive Branch?  I saw a Government that wasn't there. It wasn't there again today.  I wish that Government would go away.  (Looks like High School Textbooks are going to need revising again.)
CONGRESS:  Still waiting to hear why no impeachment, of both Dick and Berto.  Or are you waiting for the mob with torches to show up on your steps?  Huh?  Having a hard time coming up with adequate bullshit to spread?  The longer you wait, the worse will be the outcome for EVERYONE. How about this - I start telling all my clients that the law no longer applies to them either?  Huh?  Does that sound like a good idea?  Tell them all to quit paying taxes and stop going to court.  You better think that is the best damn idea in the world, because that is the message YOU are already sending - If Cheney is exempt from the law of the land, everyone else is too.  Justice for ALL.  Period - end of argument.  Ponder that while you formulate your fertilizer, idiots.  Because that IS the message you are sending; the MAN is more important than the LAW and everyone knows that is not only unconstitutional but outright bullshit according to the principles this country was founded upon.  I'd also like to point out that if the VP (and the Pres) are not part of the Executive, that by following that line of reasoning you end up with the conclusion that the military has been accepting illegal orders from a man who is NOT C-I-C since the day Bush Co. invaded Iraq.  Care to address that issue, Congress?  How about some of you Generals still obeying and defending the Bush White House?  Didn't think so.  How about you bastards answer the Impeachment question first?  I'm waiting, but like a lot more Americans than you realize, my patience is running VERY THIN.  You think I am joking?  Have you seen YOUR polling numbers?  Let the Organ Grinder and His Monkey declare martial law or screw with the next election cycle and SEE how very badly you have read the situation and the mood of We The People.  Or you could do the RIGHT and LEGAL thing and impeach Cheney and Gonzo NOW.  It is time to get off the pot unless bowing and scraping to the King of America is what you want.  Remain passive at your own peril.  History is calling and you have a tin ear.  NOW ANSWER THE QUESTION, CONGRESS.
Why don't they go on and impeach both of these lying incompetent rulers and not let them get away with stealing the constitution right out from under me. Who does this guy think he is anyway? I am tired of these two disgracing my country, and having people talk about this great office as if it is some kind of mideveal place and time!!!!
Hey...it seems I jumped the bandwagon a bit on my comments on part 2 of the POST article, but they are in the previous thread if you want to read them.

Good grief...I hadn't even THOUGHT about timing the release of September "progress reports" about the surge effectiveness with the 9/11 anniversary. My paranoid cynic radar must be out of whack. UGH...as the attorney in the Army-McCarthy hearings said, "Have you no sense of decency?"

And, if what NEWSWEEK said is true about 41% of American's STILL BELIEVING that Saddam had something to do with the attacks on September 11, 2001, maybe this comment is a little harsh, but do we perhaps deserve what we elect? *&^%$#@?!
What a morning.  My brothers friends funeral is happening at Ft Bragg as I type this.  John wanted his son that is attending basic training to know about Steve, so he called the training post to let him know.  Some 'intelligent' drill instructor pulled my nephew aside and asked him if CPT John ____ was his father.  Yes, was my nephews reply.  Well, this guy then says 'I have some bad news for you.'  The poor kid about fell out until the knucklehead realized that 'oh yeah, this kids dad is in Iraq.'  

So, to add to my stomachache of worrying about my brother, worrying about his kids, and his friends wife, I get to wake up to all of this crap that our government continues to spew forth.  Our neo-con Supreme Court that WON'T go away, not even when the DICK and his BUSH leave office (sorry for the nasty implication with the names, but it is too true), and continues to award money to 'faith based' groups.  Love the separation of church and state.

How pathetically sad it is for people to STILL believe that Saddam had anything to do with September 11.  I didn't realize that people really do live under rocks in this country!  

God, I hope things get better.  What a world that my children are going to inherit if something isn't done.  I guess it's time to make more phone calls and write letters.

PEACE!
There is something seriously wrong with our constitution and laws if there is no way to investigate, stop, and punish an ongoing criminal enterprise in the executive branch. One possible change is that the dept. of justice needs to be completely separated from the executive branch and made independent and non-partisan with the powers to investigate and prosecute wrong-doings of all government officials including sitting presidents and vice-presidents.
Try this on for size.  The FBI wants to control the freedoms of students under the guise of preventing espionage.  

http://pressesc.com/01182668252_espionage_indicators

Sieg Heil!  Can't have any of that "forbidden knowledge" taught can we?  Can't have someone ask those embarrassing questions and applying that pesky logic.  Espionage from STUDENTS?  That is SO off base.  You want to look in academia for spies you should look at STAFF, not train THEM what to look for.  You stand a (slightly) better chance for being productive.  If you follow students, you will find out these things (and ONLY these things) for CERTAIN:  the cheapest food in town, the cheapest drinks in town, where the party is, how to make a bong out of anything, which instructors to avoid and which guys/girls on campus put out.  This will be 99.9987% of your work.  In other words, this is going to be about as effective as the TSA.  Let's not forget the potential abuses by petty instructors looking to damage a student they don't like.  And don't tell me that never happens either.  I have 3 degrees.  I have not only heard enough about that kind of crap, I've experienced it.  How about the State Department and the INS start DOING THEIR JOB and not just pony up the visas every time Bechtel needs a new engineer without a little more scrutiny than Bechtel's HR needs?  Or even better, how about using that energy and money on rooting out espionage within large corporations?  In the spot easier to get into and easier to do damage from?  How about that?  No?  It irritates the lobbyists?  Well, screw the lobbyists.  Not only is this against the principles of the Founding Fathers, this isn't even a effective plan - unless your goal is to repress, sorry, "have a chilling effect" for those of you without the guts to call it what it is.  It's not illegal, but it sure is stupid.  What is the code name for this operation?  Operation Blindly Guessing?
www.impeachbush.org reports 899583 signatures received to day.

Ms. Pelosi  - are you listening?

If that many want Bush out, imagine how many want Cheney out.

I'm so angry I can hardly function.
Someone should tell John Stewart to lay off the jokes on the Dick Cheney. He is a serious threat to this country and people need to be scared, very scared.
Bush and Cheney don't trust the media, which is as dangerous as anyone to the security of the United States. The media feels it is "entitled" to ALL security documents and what is said in closed door meetings. Since the media is overwhelmingly liberal I'm not surprised at this administration's secrecy.

A reminder that no acts of terrorism have hit America since 9/11. Give Bush credit for that. But
we need much more border security and we need to know exactly WHO is in our country illegally. That is this administration's main weekness, although the current immigration problem started many administrations ago.

While Bush's approval rate is currantly at 33%, the newly elected Democratic congress is at 14%. Everybody's pissed at everybody and nothing's getting done. But the war in Iraq will eventually end and then the chaos begins. A bigger war, call it World War III if you like although many believe World War III has already started, will pit the U.S. against Iran, a country that already has strong ties to the war in Iraq and terrorists all over the world.
I, for one, believe they already have nuclear power.

So when Bush and Cheney are out of office, who are you gonna blame it on then? Iran is coming. They hate us and they're probably already here among us. How well do you really know your next door neighbor?

Oh, and when did Rolling Stone become any kind of reliable source? It's just like People magazine except it pushes sex ads on the back pages. Wake up.
Countdown to Inauguration Day 2009: 575 days (thanks First Read)


Will we make it?
Iraq is Cheney's War, and has been from before day 1.  He changed the Whitman EPA to his liking--and let's not forget global warming's non-existence under his authority.  His defense of admin. policy on various issues shows more than a casual awareness.  I've felt that he has been running the country for the last 5 years.  Maybe we need to impeach him and not Bushie.  History will show Bushie as a President so weak his VP ran the country for him, while he gave speeches and waved.
41% of Americans still believing that Saddam Hussein's regime was involved in the financing, planning and carrying out the 911 attacks tells us who and what we are dealing with as far as an  electorate who will have a voice in electing the next President and an Administration. Sounds pretty scary to me. It also tells us how at least half the electorate believe exactly what they are told regardless of the truth. If these 41% have anything to say as to who takes office next time around the media coupled with the most convincing attack campaign ads will elect the next President reagrdless of the truth. It is how Bush got elected and it will be how the next President is elected. Talk about clueless. Perhaps the last thread should be referring (in addition to GW) the American electorate.
In the middle of all this VP ugliness, be assured that rule of law and COMMON SENSE do rule in one part of the country. This headline from YAHOO! is totally off topic, but I think we need it!

"Dry cleaner wins in $54 million lawsuit over missing pants"!!!!! Boot this boil-on-the-butt-of-humanity off the bench and keep on going!!
Just when do the proper authorities plan on arresting this fat p.o.s.? I have never in my fourty years seen one man do more harm to our country than this man. What he has done is clearly treason, and should be prosecuted as such.
RE: Cheney, on one hand, I'm not surprised that this was going on, I guess it's just the matter of degree that chills my blood.  This man is dangerous, evil, and worst of all, in a position of power.  I wonder if Kucinich's movement to impeach the VP will gain more supporters after these articles.
Hello...is there anybody out there?? [insert echo here]

OK, Sue in West Allis, WI...I have occasion to crow a little like you did the other night when you beat the COUNTDOWN blog to the POST article (congrats on that BTW). If you receive the COUNTDOWN daily newsletter via email, you'll see they used the same quote from part 2 of the POST article that I used in my comment in the earlier "Washington Post Required Reading" thread! Give me the blue ribbon for today!! ;)
The Bush administration has begun exploring ways of offering Congress a compromise deal on Iraq policy to avert bruising battles in coming months, U.S. officials said.

Yea lets do this Rove tactic again and loose the basis for the principle we supposedly elected these Cream Puff Democratic Bring the Troops Home Now Congressional Members for.

1.)Fool me once and I am a Democratic Congress Person Elected to get out us Iraq and bring the troops home and duped by a Rove Republican political trick(called compromise to save face) to divide the Democratic party during the last appropriations bill so called compromise when I could have stopped the surge and saved hundreds of lives,thousands of Iraqi, and billions of dollars later.That no less behind our backs they laugh their asses off daily .And just like old Lucy and Charlie Brown and the football here we go again.They set up like stooges off we go.Come next election off you go.

2.)Fool me twice and I am a stupid clueless Democratic Cream Puff Congress Person who has been spayed or neutered and will dance with Dick the Devil,Dubya,Rove,Gonzo,Condi,and his friends and show how stupid I am by compromising on an issue that doesn't need to be compromised and I was stupid enough to once before.

These Democratic Congressional leaders Pelosi,Reid,and the members who want to compromise this issue again are no different than them.They are playing right into their hand.If they don't see how they lost the public support they had the last time let the rats go down with the ship if they compromise come next election.

I want some bruising battles with Bush and company by Congressional leaders.I want every ounce of pain and suffering they can extract from these cruel bastards.I want them to dangle by their Dick Cheney's for all misdeeds.

No Compromise! Bring the Troops Home in Large Numbers by Christmas!No Deals!No Surrender!

Let these Lives for oil shits rot in the war of their own lies and making.
"A reminder that no acts of terrorism have hit America since 9/11. Give Bush credit for that."
You're kidding, right?  I haven't been hit by a bus while Dubya has been President, either.  Does he get credit for that, too?

We're LESS safe (and more reviled in the eyes of the world) than we were before Dubya ascended to the throne.

I just hope that whoever the next Prez is--be it Democrat or Republican-- can undo some of the mess that this gang of Fascists has wrought.
The American people handed power to Congress and Congress doesn't seem to have the courage to use it and stand behind their decisions.  The biggest mistake Nancy Pelosi made was saying that impeachment was off the table.  You can't work compromises with Cheney/Bush.  This gave a green light to the Bush administration (i.e. Dick Cheney) to do as they please with no oversight whatever.  If Mr. Cheney is not part of the executive branch of government, then remove his office from the White House to the Senate Office Building.  Institute impeachment proceedings against Cheney.  Congress -- stop fooling around and do the will of the people instead of the will of the party or of Dick Cheney.
go to

http://ImpeachForPeace.org/ImpeachNow.html

Let's stop bitchin' and DO something.  If anybody has other ways to voice our concerns, tell me.  Thanks
Paul Gardner, Cinti-  NO acts of terror hit America  between 1993 and 2001 either.  George Bush get credit for THAT, too????  That argument is lame at best, and so are all who continue to use it.  I suppose next you will tell us Iran hates us because Clinton 'got some' (and, of course, becaue our publications contain 'sex ads' on their back pages).
Disgusted: Understand your disgust. People seem to forget that these are career politicians making promises of change. I learned a long time ago, except for those rare occasions when just one person might come along and really try to put forth the people's agenda and desires, the majority are bought and paid for before they even arrive in Washington. I don't care if they are democrat or republican. Is it difficult to be your own man/woman under these circumtances. I'm sure that it is, as most could not have been elected without some special interests looking for pay back the day the take office. The same occurs if elected to a state or local office where many started their careers. Term limits may be an answer to achieving more honesty and integrity in Washington, but there are no gauarantees that term limits would have such an effect. The bottom line. Don't put your trust in any of these people. Continue to demand wha tit is the American people elected them for in the first place. To represent the will of the people. At this point I tend to agree with Bob - Pensacola, get rid of the entire bunch and start anew. Serious and effective campaign finance reform, term limits, daily postings on TV when Congress is in session as to who voted for what and when, and personally signed contracts with the American people that the minute he/she does not vote to represent those who elected them they lose their job. Only serious and drastic reform in the political process is going to change the lack of honesty and integirty among all politicians no matter the party.  
I'm still trying to figure out Dick and Dubya's new Job Titles, since they're not Executives anymore.  Maybe "DemiGods"? "Double Secret Executives"?  "Benedictine Arnoldians"? "Invisible Invincibles"? "God's Oblivious Politicians"?  I've been calling for a Psychological Examination of these two for a long time.  Who decides if they're nuts or not, and don't tell me the Supreme Court.  They pick free money over free speech lately, so they need shrinking, too.  I mean, at the very least, let some Scientologist try to figure them out, or ship them off to Planet X.  OK.  Last Job Title for the D & D pair..."****** *****".  Done.
Ooops- another typo in the headline on this one.  INstead of Private Dick, it should have read "Private Pr**k".  No, wait, can't call him that.  A pr**k is a part of a man.  (and BTW, Gardner- where did  the 33% approval rating come from?  Been hanging with old man Van Winkle up in the hills for a while, have you?)
There comes a point at which the ultimate or historical "rightness" or "wrongness" of an opinion of an executive or administrative employee's position on a matter is no longer the issue. There comes a point when process must be maintained, or chaos or anarchy is the result. Organized societies cannot function without a process--whether the process flows from something as simple as adherence to "Robert's Rules of Order", or from something as quaint as an openly and legitimately enacted document (a federal/national Constitution, for instance) that formally empowers (or not) national and state governments, via laws enacted by the Legislative Branch and upheld (or not) by a Judicial Branch, all for day-to-day handling and operation by an Executive Branch.  Our federal/national Constitution was forged in the aftermath of something more direct and deadly than a "War on Terror" (which, of course, is a "war" in name only perpetrated on a nothing and practiced by the un-named and unaccountable)--a revolutionary war against a definable and discernable foe that was truly capable of preventing or ending the existence of the thing the Constitution organizes.  Amidst various red-herring digressions over the years (such as the recent and strangely and historically ignorant naval-gazing as to whether we have always been a "Christian" nation), our Constitutional process has already demonstrated that it can withstand (and function in the face of) wars, secessions, overt denials of civil rights, overt civil disobedience, spies, fools and charlatans.  However, what even our process cannot abide or rationally handle (in the same way that our Courts have had difficulty handling "organized crime") are the actions and behaviors of those who determine to affirmatively not follow, or to violate, not merely "laws" but our underlying national social compact and who intentionally set out to not be bound by the process. Although no one really wants to make the comparison, what various members of the executive branch--aided and abetted by huge numbers of Republican, and one goofy independent, members of Congress--are espousing is simply the cult of personality and/or the primacy of the "Party" above all else.  Simply put, this un-American belief system and behavioral pattern is that of fascism, whether it has an American face or tries to wrap itself in the American flag, or not.  If our erstwhile chief executive does not discipline the nascent fascists running amok within its house, then the administration simply adopts fascism, in the same way that "Company policy" gets changed--not violated--when a company exec repeatedly acts contrary and isn't punished. We have a tried and true and workable system, but it requires something: adherance to the underlying social compact. And our social compact is being literally and figuratively being ignored--and, again, it doesn't matter if, in random details,the "ignorer" is "right".  If our elected leaders in the Executive and Legislative Branches don't take action to discipline those who choose to violate the compact and the process, then shame on them. But, more importantly, if no action is taken by those poor, weak souls, and we then don't go to the polls and vote against every sitting Federal Legislator at the earliest opportunity simply for their sin of shirking and hiding from their oath and duty, then shame on us.
B.A. I have stated the same many times. But I get these come backs from people who still put some faith in the Dems or a few select members of the Dems and state, but how can the Dems do any better. They can't get the votes to end funding or to end our involvement in Iraq. My response has been what you have stated. Let's see some out and out bruising of this administration by the Dems. Get down and get dirty even if they have to go on every news / talk show 7 days a week, or call for marches to the steps of the White House. Scream, make noise, holler. Call for impeachment at the top of their lungs. If they can't get those in Congress behind them then turn to the American people, incite them to demand action. Do you recall at one point Biden lost his temper about needing to bring our troops home and many on here applauded this (his) moment. Where is this same passsion and anger from the rest of the Dems. Why can't they multiply this challenge to this administration and not ask, but demand that the troops be withdrawn or redeployed. Nothing is stopping them from doing that except their own lack of integrity. They are bought and paid for puppets of the political system owned and operated by special interests, not the Amerian people.
Mr. Gardner, are you serious?
To flipkid - Quit playing in the street or you WILL be hit by a bus ... and that won't be Bush's fault either.

Hey, let's just get this stupidity over with. When the Yankees lose .. it's NOT Bush's fault. When Nicole Ritchie goes to jail .. it's NOT Bush's fault. When Ken Griffey Jr. wants to go back to Seattle .. it's NOT Bush's fault. When Rosie O'Donnell stubs her big fat toe .. it's NOT Bush's fault. And when the Democratic congress' approval rate is 14%(man, that's pitiful) ..it's NOT Bush's fault. Are you getting the picture? I just spelled it out for you. Obviously you need a T-shirt that reads "I Don'T like Bush but I'm smart enough to know that everything is NOT BUSH'S FAULT." Man!!
Russel, John Stewart and Keith Olbermann are two journalists who frequently "call Bullshit" on this administration. John Stewart's "jokes" are his way of using sarcasm to bring to light the outrageous, unprecedented rape of the American constitution and its institutions.
awacobud (Sent Monday, June 25, 2007 2:54 PM)

So very beautifully put. Would you give me permission to use most of this in letters to Senators and Congressmen?

In fact, would you allow all of us to use it as a template for such correspondence?

I've participated in the www.impeachbush.org site but that in no way should replace personal correspondence to elected officials.

The sheer number of letters they receive does do things. It certainly did where the immigration bill was/is concerned.

Please people - get moving!!

Thanks, awacobud. Waiting for your reply
Buzzy - no acts of terror, baby .. and the few that were planned were foiled. That's not lame, man .. that's the truth. Deal with it! Oh, and Iran DOES hate us for our lifestyle. It's called western civilization. I don't have a problem with it but they do. You are a piece of work.
Why is it that the media and this administration gets wrapped around the axle about would-be "terrorists" like the ones in Miami or the homeless guy with the JFK airport "plot" yet they are not afraid of The Dick?  He is much more dangerous to this country than those guys ever were yet he still is able to keep his seat has VP and continues to make policy.  It's disgraceful and not just a little frightening.    
I think people need to remember the phrase, "what is in a name" especially when it comes to the word "dick." When Cheney's parents were naming him I bet his dad grimaced and thought,"my boy one day will be called a dick, not just dick." In school when the teacher told the other kids it was quiet time, he probably replied, "make me."
It is Cheney World and we just live in it. Steve Turner's comments on Cheney being a "funeral director" is so true.How, we as a nation, let him get away with the heinious acts both he and Shrubbie did I will never know how. I would like to see that there is a light at the end of the tunnel and the oncoming train hits them right between the eyes. We have suffered so long and suffered at the hands of a couple or rich dorks. Rules dont apply to them and laws are evidently beneath them. The apple does not fall far from the tree. Who is the apple and who is the tree? Peace, Denise!
CA.  Republicans...Democrats...what difference does it make? They're all Scared S***less of something.  Whatever is behind Dubya and Dicky.  They've just been outed as oblivious to any controls that existed in the past.  That can only mean one thing.  Pass the Jelly. The USA we used to know, is Toast.  
Dick Cheney can't have it both ways.  He's either part of the Executive Branch or he's not. Someone please decide!!

According to the LA Times:

“Cheney’s office drew criticism Thursday for claiming that it was exempt from the reporting requirements because the vice president’s office is not fully within the executive branch. It cited his legislative role as president of the Senate when needed to break a tie.”

This is the same office that went to the Supreme Court in 2004 arguing that the documentation from its Energy Task Force were immune to the FOIA due to Executive Privilege.

But wait, it gets better. This dust-up owes in part to the fact that President Bush signed an Executive Order in 2003 requiring “All government agencies that are part of the Executive Branch” to submit to oversight. But Bush apparently didn’t mean ALL of the executive branch:

“We don’t dispute that the ISOO has a different opinion. But let’s be very clear: This executive order was issued by the president, and he knows what his intentions were,” Fratto said. “He is in compliance with his executive order.”

Fratto conceded that the lengthy directive, technically an amendment to an existing executive order, did not specifically exempt the president’s or vice president’s offices. Instead, it refers to “agencies” as being subject to the requirements, which Fratto said did not include the two executive offices. “It does take a little bit of inference,” Fratto said.

In other words, “Never mind what I signed into law… You know I meant”

Mr. Gardner:  I'm sure we can all agree that overpaid celebrities being in the news is not the fault of the president, so please, let's not go there.

I would like to know what you think about everything that has happened the past six years.  If it isn't the fault of Bush and his administration for the myriad of horrors that have happened to the:  Geneva Conventions, our rights as Americans to privacy, the dismissal of Habeas Corpus, the war in Iraq, etc., then whose fault is it?

Neither Saddam Hussein nor the people of Iraq had anything to do with the attacks on our country on September 11, 2001.  Yes, the USS Cole and our embassies were bombed during the Clinton administration, but again, that had nothing to do with Iraq.  How do YOU defend the invasion of Iraq and the loss of over 3,500 brave Americans and countless innocent Iraqi's?

Feel free to bring up the Clinton administration for NOT getting bin Laden.  We've all been down that road before, and trust me, it leads nowhere.  But, you can't blame President Clinton for the errosion of our Constitution, the errosion of our rights afforded to us under the Constitution, and you sure as hell can't blame him for the war in Iraq.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not accusing you of bringing Clinton into this, I'd just thought I'd put it ALL in there in case you wanted to go there like so many before you.

I eagerly await your response.

PEACE!
Paul actually Iran hates their current government. Iran has a large population of young people who are surprisingly pro west. They are all underground and afraid to speak out, in time they will prevail. Iran gave us some help early on in Afghanistan, and after 9/11 tried to show us some sympathy.
 Not everything that goes wrong is Dubya's fault but an awful lot can be laid on his doorstep. A few things like extreme rendition, ignoring the FISA courts to wiretap U.S. citizens without a warrant, the,clusterf&%*k that is Iraq today, are all products of W's lack of intellectual curiousity, and laziness.
The current U.S. attorney scandal, Valerie Plame, thye general shredding of the Constitution and rule of law can can be laid squarely on W's shoulders, he is after all the decider.  We haven't been hit by terrorists since 9/11? Well 9/11 happened on W's watch. You cannot pin this on Clinton in any way shape or form. The administrations rationale for everything is lame at best and flat out lies at worst. It is only through blind luck that we haven't been hit by terrorists since 9/11 since the chimp in chief (W.) has demonstrated repeatedly that he can't find his ass with both hands.
 Stop drinking the kool-aid and wake up and smell the coffee. Like it or not the pendulum is swinging back to the left and your boys the R's are toast.
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I see someone here, a.k.a.  Paul Gardner, Cincinnati Ohio, is singing the STUPID “Bush has kept us safe since 9/11” song – HAH!! (when all else fails, the loyal Bushies to get desperate!!) Yeah, ok, I guess that damn “Liberal Media” managed to get all those “conveniently declassified reports” REPORTED!! Oh, but only the ones the Asses-In-Chief, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney wanted released.  

What a stupid comment!! NO ONE knows or can say, with 100% certainty that George W. Bush has kept us safe; however, we DO know he is a liar and a criminal!! The jackass invaded a country who did nothing to provoke us; destroyed that country in the process of his incompetence; betrayed the military of the US; caused the deaths of more than 3500 Americans; caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis; caused the majority of the world to watch in horror and ridicule; cost the US our credibility amongst the community of nations; cost the US our global morality, raped our constitution and violated International treaties!! What a swell guy we have in the White House!!

Based on this stupidity, I suppose we can state with 100% certainty that Bill Clinton prevented an attack on US SOIL after the 1993 WTC attacks. No, that would be just as stupid.  However, because he was a competent president, the person responsible for that attack IS sitting in a prison cell in the United States of America!!  

I wonder where Osama bin Laden is after more than six years since 9/11 Paul??  Oh, the jackass in the White House abandoned the mission in Afghanistan, by removing most of the troops, to invade Iraq, who was NOT involved in 9/11, so “he lost him”!! GREAT MOVE Jackass-In-Chief!!

The idiocy in some people’s arguments is astonishing!!

Jamie & Bill - K-U-D-0-S!!
Patriot, Fort Lauderdale, FL - Well put!! Actually Jon Stewart of the "Daily Show" was commended by former Vice President Al Gore.  Gore stated, "The media is so scared of making some mistake, one of the few places someone can go to cut through all the crap is "The Daily Show".  

Jon Stewart does a great job of telling it as it is.  I understand some could be concerned with the humor; however, he also blasts this collective group of jackasses nightly!! I agree with Al Gore!!  The media, in large part, gave George W. Bush an overly extended honeymoon, which allowed much of the BS they did to go unnoticed for too long!!

PEACE!!
Paul Gardner - Bush did select Dick Cheney as his running mate .... now that's his fault.  The rest is history.  I have to agree with an earlier post by CA that posits this thought:  If and when serious/organized terrorists want to strike within the US boundries, they will do so with planning, forethought, and impunity.  Why?  Because they already did so and they still can, and they now have a vast global support network to assist and facilitate their every need.  Had Osama been hunted down and destroyed along with his band of Al Qaeda crazies when it was possible rather than creating a terrorist hotbed in Iraq where none had previously existed (along with generating shitloads of ill-will towards the USA) - we might not be having this discussion.  

Maybe we've been lucky, and maybe we've been vigilant where it counts, so far - who can really say?  Paul, you give the Bush administration altogether too much credit for being considerate of our welfare.

Had that really been the case, we more than likely wouldn't be having this discussion.  
Paul Gardner, Cincinnati Ohio...you wouldn't know the truth if it hit you in the face. The Bush $ Chaney Show has been the most scandalous, outrageously and arrogant white house Administration since Nixon. To say that we haven't had another 9/11, is a credit to Bush, is saying nothing at all and a really poor argument to reach at the conclusion. You forget "man" that it was on Bush's watch that there was a 9/11. You forget "man" his failure to connect the dotts on intel and his gross failure as a leader to sound out ANY kind of warning which could have stopped 9/11. So if you want to get real "man" lets get really real MAN, and cut the crap the hour is getting late "man". Get your head out of Bush's backside and try smelling something else for a change MAN !!!
At least Rahm Emanual is calling Cheney's bluff - with a bill to take away the millions of dollars used to fund the Office of the Vice President. Maybe someone finally grew a spine...I'll believe it when I see it but at least this is something. FROM USA TODAY WASHINGTON — If Vice President Cheney believes his office is not an "entity within the executive branch," then a House Democratic leader says taxpayers shouldn't have to finance his executive expenses. Cheney's office has claimed his constitutional role as president of the Senate also makes him part of the legislative branch and therefore is not covered by a presidential order requiring executive branch workers to report their numbers of classified and declassified government documents.

Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, chairman of the House Democratic Caucus, said Sunday that a court should decide whether the vice president belongs to the executive or legislative branch. "The vice president needs to make a decision," he said.

Lea Anne McBride, a Cheney spokeswoman, said Emanuel is the one who has to decide. "He can either deal with the serious issues facing our country or create more partisan politics," she said.

White House spokesman Tony Fratto said Sunday that President Bush agrees with Cheney's analysis. The executive order's reporting requirements do not apply to the offices of the president or vice president, Fratto said.

If the truth be known the reasons no comparable acts of terrorism have occurred in the States since 911 cannot be attributed to anything the Bush administration has done or foiled. The purpose of the 911 attack was to get the US embroiled in a conflict in the middle east. They wanted to fight us there so they don't have to fight us here. They also knew it would give the money hungry neo-cons an excuse to head for the oil fields. Bush fell for it, and now they take out American lives daily with the ability to melt into the general population after the acts of terrorism are completed. Could they again attack the US with terror, sure. Do they want too. Perhaps, one day. Will they do so now. Most likely not. Why? Why should they? They can take out as many American lives as they please right in their own back-yard without months of planning and without having to stretch their manpower or supply lines. It's cheaper and much more convienent and efficient. The terrorists give Bush the false impression he is on the offensive when it is they who are on the offensive while placing our troops on the defensive. If you knew anything about how to fight a war Paul, especially a war using terror, you don't confront a tiger in it's den. You get him to come into your neck of the woods and use hit and run tactics until you wear the Tiger out. And then you sneak up on him and kill him, that is unless the Tiger gets smart and gets the hell out of your neck of the words before he bleeds to death. No additional terroists attacks because Bush is fighting them there instead of here. I'm sure everytime the terrorists hear that on their internet connections it takes them several hours to get over their laughing attack.
Steve Turner:  If I have failed to acknowledge your wit and wisdom, I apologize.  I truly enjoy you humorous posts.

Krista:  Blue ribbon for you!  I don't get the daily email since I don't look at my email daily.  I just come here to find out what's going on.  Yes, I did crow about that post - probably to excess - but I was delighted to see it show up on the blog.

All the Darth Veeper revelations better not be the start of the BushCo whitewash.  I can just hear the talking points - Cheney did it!  Throwing Cheney under the bus isn't going to do it.  Every person in this criminal enterprise called the Bush Administration is personally responsible for the damage that has been done to our county.

If Bush wants to start to resurrect public opinion of him, let him go down to New Orleans and build someone a house, apologize to Iraq for our invasion, insist upon due process for all those we have in custody in Gitmo and those Black Sites, and submit bills to Congress to restore all he has taken from us, including our rights.  That would be a beginning.


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