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Cheney of Command

Posted: Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:14 AM by Countdown

Some of what we're working on for tonight...

 
Here's why many Republican senators on the Judiciary Committee might have voted to issue subpoenaes to the Bush administration, giving the effort broad bipartisan support. Previously, they may have been laboring under the misapprehension they hadn't been allowed to do so. Okay, not really, but in an interview with NPR this morning, Judiciary Committee
Chairman Patrick Leahy said that when Republicans had control of the committee last year, and then-Chairman Arlen Specter tried to issue subpoenaes in a similar
matter, Vice President Cheney paid a visit and told the Republicans on the committee they weren't ALLOWED to issue subpoenas, legally. Naturally, they caved under the pressure. Sen. Leahy also said that, by his count, the White House had ignored nine previous requests for documents related to President Bush's warrantless eavesdropping program.

If you think the White House is going to answer THOSE subpoenaes, today was the deadline for the White House to hand over documents linked to Harriet Miers and Sara Taylor in the firing over federal prosecutors. That deadline has come and gone. Guess what the White
House is asserting as its basis for withholding them? Executive privilege. Too easy.


One of the U.S. attorneys fired last year testified yesterday that Attorney General Gonzales considers 5 to 10 minutes an "extensive, unusual" amount of his time to devote to the decision of whether a man should be put to death. Even in a case where a body had not been recovered. That Mr. Charlton asked to meet with Mr. Gonzales, to ask him to reconsider, amounted to insubordination.

NICE WORK IF YOU CAN GET IT
Its Cheney series may be over, but in today's Washington Post we learn how a $2M no bid contract from the Department of Homeland Security ended up costing taxpayers $124M... all of it, going to the company Booz Allen Hamilton, that was merely supposed to fill a temporary staffing hole. This might have been the problem: The paper says taxpayers paid Booz Allen workers hourly rates that ranged from $42 to $383 an hour.

DAN'S DO-OVER
In an interview GQ magazine, outgoing White House counselor Dan Bartlett, with only one week left on the job, shares his one big regret: “There was never a more benign incident that turned into a bigger messaging problem than ‘Mission Accomplished.’ It set the wrong tone for what became a protracted, difficult mission. If there was ever a do-over, that would be
it.” And as for what former Defense Secretary Rumsfeld has said about the phrase/banner? Bartlett continues: “There was a comment Rumsfeld made in one of those books where he claimed that he took the phrase mission accomplished out of the speech itself but that he
couldn’t get the banner pulled down. That’s just wrong. I went back and looked at every draft of the speech. That phrase was never in it.” Countdown thinks many would argue with Mr. Bartlett on his assessment of the use of 'Mission Accomplished' as benign.


GRANITE STATE FOR GORE
Al Gore has the lead in the New Hampshire, and he isn't even running. As for the likelihood of a Gore candidacy, in the Sunday New York Times magazine last week, his daughter Kristin said he describes himself as "a recovering politician ... on Step No. 9 and he doesn't want to risk a relapse."


Among those definitely in the race, Senator Obama kept pace with Senator Clinton's fundraising prowess for the second quarter... something all but unthinkable at the start of this campaign.

WHY DO REPUBLICANS HATE THE TROOPS?
A House hearing yesterday investigating whether the surge in Iraq is working, instead became an excuse for Republicans on the committee to investigate whether Major General John Batiste is a true Republican, because he has criticized the war and their support of
it in tv ads for VoteVets.org. Looking out for the troops, nowhere near as important as looking out for number 1.


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If you disagree with the republican you against the troops. Nevermind that he was one one one who actually was over there. None of this so called suporter of the troops actually was over there fighting this senceless war. But this is so typical of this GOP is anybody even take them seriously? how can you say you for the troops if you sit back and watch more and more of them getting killed? of course they themself have nothing to loose, there familie members are not risking there lives. So for god sake get over yourselfs " you lost the war, on your watch. A war we should never should have fought period "
Gonzales is a latent dumbass.  The only job he'll get when he and trippin Dick are done is the restock job at Happy Cheney's quail shooting farm
Mission Accomplished - hmmmm, why do you suppose Dan Bartlett brought that up? Keith Olbermann maybe? No, couldn't be.

Or could it?
Off topic: apparently Larry King bumped an hour with Michael Moore so that he could devote it to Paris Bonehead Hilton ... sigh. I nominate Larry for WPITW.
Looks like a good, meaty show tonight .... No Paris or CoulterGeist please.  How come every time I see CoulterGeists picture or hear the shrill sound of her whiney voice the Wicked Witch of the West music from the Wizard of Oz plays in my head?

Considering how much has come out without the documents on subpoena - can we even begin to imagine what's actually INSIDE those documents.  Keep those subpoenas flowing.  The Courts will be "with" congress because of their constitutional oversight powers.

Just as Nixon lost when he refused to cough up those tapes, these clowns are going to lose too.  They're just delaying the inevitable.  

But let them deny and delay.  The closer to the election that this stuff comes out, the more Repugnikants have to lose.  And they'll lose big time.  Remember how many Repubs lost their jobs in the next election after the Nixon resignation.  And those elections were further away than this one is.

Even now formerly full-throated Bushie supporters in Congress are peeling away.  Bush may be left with only Laura supporting him (I'm not sure even Barney's that loyal).
Gotta love Specter and the rest of the Reps cowering in the face of Darth Dick...instead of the will of the people, our country is now run by the will of a Dick....think he uses or needs Viagra?
BA Baddusky - I'm sorry but I just have to say this. I'm certain that this post will forever remove me as a candidate for your blogger award.

This blog belongs to Countdown. They have the right to do with it as they wish. It is great that we have a place where we feel safe having discussions on few topics rather than the fire-and-refire hits found on most blogs that are not set up for lengthy blog participation on a specific item. I am grateful for that.

NewsHole, however, may be intended by its owners to be more a "letters to the editor" format. The owners may not judge the blog's success on whether the bloggers feel that conversation can be sustained. It is the right of the owners to make decisions about the blog based on its intended purpose in their minds.

All that being said, if they DO wish to encourage conversation, I certainly wish they'd deal with the stealth moderator approach. Seems as though we get updates infrequently and never on a predictable schedule. They'll post a new item. Run a brief update and, then, disappear again. This is a complaint ONLY if the owners of the blog wish to encourage sustained conversation. It has no bearing on "how hard the editors work" or how "dedicated" they are to the job. If the owners, instead, think of this as a "letters" forum, then it doesn't matter.

All I ask is that they tell us the rules of the game, to set our expectations. What are the hours of operation? Should we be expecting that for some period of each day there will be a sustained moderator presence?

That's all I want to know. What should I expect?
Wow...lots of thoughts on these issues...

I cannot BELIEVE that Senator Arlen Specter, a long long LONG time Senator, actually bought Cheney's assertion that the Judiciary Committee didn't have subpoena power?! WTF!! Either Senator Specter was incredibly gullible or incredibly stupid or something. Although I agree with his position on stem cell research, he clearly dropped the ball big-time on the subpoena issue. What is it about our dictator-wanna-be that he can turn seemingly intelligent people into spineless goo? I just don't get it...

And, AG Gonzales spent 10 minutes thinking over death penalty cases? Sounds reasonable to me - just like the best and brightest have been hired at the DOJ under Gonzales.

Why wasn't I surprised to see Dan Burton as the "head cheerleader" in denouncing General Batiste's Republican and, therefore, patriotic credentials. Ugh...I used to live in his district on Indianapolis' north side; I don't anymore, though. Julia Carson is my representative, now. How many votes did Danny-Boy miss for golf outings? General Batiste is putting country and service ahead of party. HOW DARE HE!!
Well Chris Matthews and SoftBall are getting the attention they crave - except that it's negative:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-l-borosage/matthews-and-coulter-no-_b_54070.html
Sounds like a show I can't miss. However, nothing on the latest killing of the immigration reform bill?
Can you even hear yourself think in the studio with Pat Buchanan yelling at guests. I bet his least favorite food is Mexican. ahem.
And speaking of the blond harpie - Joe Scarborough had her on his morning program today.  Is there no shame at MSNBC??
Sherri, Charleston WV (Sent Thursday, June 28, 2007 12:23 PM)

Sherri - nothing "latent" about it!
Dan Bartlett is a sick man. Of all the horrendous screwups of the Bush administration costing careers, lives and limbs, he picks a botched attempt at spin as the worst regret. Unreal. Isn't there anyone in that administration who isn't an emetic.
Y'know folks, this blog is called News Hole for a reason.  It's not Politics Only Hole, if you want that, you go to First Read.  It's News, a menu of which resembles what you get off your own TV station at home.  Our NBC station here in Black Hawk County is Channel 7 with Ron Steele, an affable guy who began, like KO, as a Sportscaster for them.  He's low key and upbeat and his 6 o'clock show goes from Paris Hilton to Paris France to Paris Texas,  War updates and Cat up a Tree updates. On the National Level of course, like the 'Hole is, you get down and dirty with Politics, but you also do the same with the Celebrity/Animal/Oddball stuff.  Here on the blog, it also goes that way.  But it's not advertized as All Politics and it's good that it isn't.  We need the inane to keep us from going insane, OK?  And if you don't know that, you're looking at a ton of Psychiatrist Bills down the line, or a ton of Scientology Bills, whichever you prefer.
Y'know folks, this blog is called News Hole for a reason.  It's not Politics Only Hole, if you want that, you go to First Read.  It's News, a menu of which resembles what you get off your own TV station at home.  Our NBC station here in Black Hawk County is Channel 7 with Ron Steele, an affable guy who began, like KO, as a Sportscaster for them.  He's low key and upbeat and his 6 o'clock show goes from Paris Hilton to Paris France to Paris Texas,  War updates and Cat up a Tree updates. On the National Level of course, like the 'Hole is, you get down and dirty with Politics, but you also do the same with the Celebrity/Animal/Oddball stuff.  Here on the blog, it also goes that way.  But it's not advertized as All Politics and it's good that it isn't.  We need the inane to keep us from going insane, OK?  And if you don't know that, you're looking at a ton of Psychiatrist Bills down the line, or a ton of Scientology Bills, whichever you prefer.
Oops - more bad news for MSNBC:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-gizbert/london-calling-_b_54081.html

Can they maybe learn their lesson this time?
Is this the only venue to complain that MSNBC  wouldn't allow Olbermann to name Chris Matthews "Worst Person in the World" after his Tuesday performance with "you know who"?
How else to explain it?
Republicans hate the troops because the troops make it harder for them to sell thier product(the war).  The military values honesty and many of them are not easily intimidated.  Thus the president has to go through bunches of generals to find one he likes. That general then only lasts a short time until he speaks to congress and tells them the truth.  Then he to has to go, because he made the product look bad and the process starts all over.  It is so much easier with private contractors who are loyal to company and not country.  Look for numbers of contractors to increase as troops start coming out in the spring(we don't have enough troops to keep the same number in Iraq past that).  The republicans think they can declare some sort of victory and bring home a few troops and we will all buy back into the product.  I hope they are wrong.      
I've already stated my opionion about General Batiste, however, now 'they' want to question his 'Republicanism?'  Um, okay!  Quite frankly it is so important to solely support one party, and no one else.  Become a zombie for that party.  No dissention whatsoever.

Shame to them, because the more they do, the more they throw people under the bus, the more they will be left with no one.  

Okay, whoever is left will be at the Happy Cheney's Quail shooting farm that Sherri suggested above.

PEACE!
This Just in:  Inmate # 28301-016 has been assigned and is awaiting I. Lewis Libby at the Big House.  He's got one more last ditch effort in play to avoid going to prison as ordered.  

I hope the cameras follow him reporting in to the same extent that Paris Hilton's incarceration was covered.
i tried watching morning joe for about 5 minutes. it was before breakfast, empty stomach. no. made me wanna chuck. he kept saying that he didnt like the loonies on the left or right, and then said something about jesus. that's when  i put on CSPAN. but msnbc is starting to look like crud with all this paris hilton, and coultergeist. yuck. leave that stuff for the E channel, please.
It is clear bush and cheney just want to drag this out until they are out of office.  They should be careful of what they wish for.  If they do drag it out, we can skip impeachment and go directly to a new justice department charging them with crimes and sending them to jail where they belong.  Impeachment would be considered punishment and there would be no seperate trial or jail.  
       
Happy Birthday Iraqi soverignty!  It was 3 years ago that Iraq became a soverign nation when they were given a letter and Viceroy Bremer slinked out of the country.  

It's hard to be soverign when a foreign power is still occupying your country.
Kudos to you, Steve Turner, Cedar Falls, IA (1:25)! There's only so much bad news, corruption, incompetence, etc. I can take. After awhile, I need DESPERATELY to laugh. Hence, I try (notice I said "try") a little satire periodically in my posts. Also, my "required" readings or viewings tend to be on the lighter side - lots of Mel Brooks, silly movies, I referenced NETWORK to Pam earlier today.
Why, oh why, are they misspelling "SUBPOENAS"?  If you're going to use the latin, it's SUBPOENAE as plural.  If you're going to use english, it's SUBPOENAS.  Calling them SUBPOENAES just makes whoever writes this blog look like they're trying too hard.
Sorry, I don't grade for spelling - it's the ideas and information that count.
Scott & Wayne - (From an earlier thread) Awww, look at the little babies cry.  Thanks for proving my point about being able to push your buttons.  You two dispensed with the masks and showed what you are for all to see: angry, incompetent puppets who scream like children when bested or you don't get your way.  Dance, monkeys, dance!  I got the result I was expecting.  Two for the price of one at that.  From your Neocon tag team, the News Hole got a tale of sound and fury, told by idiots, signifying nothing - except personal attacks and avoiding the question of Cheney.  A dazzling performance I must say.  That is if by dazzling I meant ridiculous, which I did.

And the fallacy is spelled ad hominem, genius.  No capitals unless sentence structure requires it.  You've been corrected on that at least 3 times I can recall.  Pathetic.

Well, thanks again.  

You two can (1) babble insults at me some more (which do nothing but make me laugh because you are so bad at it),(2) you can go wait in your closets until I push your buttons again, or (3) you could address Cheney wiping his butt on the Constitution in public.  Pick one.  I don't care which one either.  But I but I understand your fear on option (3).  Bye, losers.
Todd (3:10) I truly love the shellacking you give these guys but would you mind, please, not inviting them to spill over to new threads?

I'm getting really tired of their stupid remarks and we can keep that corralled somewhere, I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks,
My God Todd, you are persistent.   Kind of like a punch drunk boxer who has lost the match but doesn’t yet realize it and continues to swing wildly.  This back and forth became pointless a while back, and I fear you may pop a cork and either end up in a straight jacket or with a heart condition.  Therefore for your benefit, because despite myself I’m beginning to like you - and my point was demonstrated anyway, I’m going to let this one go.  I’ll be looking forward to the next battle.
Independent, Texas (Sent Thursday, June 28, 2007 3:59 PM)  Just when I think I’m out, they pull me back in!!  So Independent you agree with Todd that at this point in history Christian radicals are more of a danger to world stability and peace than Islamic radicals?  Maybe you can be more successful than Todd in demonstrating that point.  Keep in mind my rules of engagement, I don’t insult unless I have been insulted, and I believe you did just that in your last post.
Tod said
"And the fallacy is spelled ad hominem, genius"

You've fallen into the trap of spelling and grammar flames I see. A sure sign you realize the weakness of your position.
In this sort of posting environment its common to Capitalise in order to Emphasize.
Don't pretend you understand any aspect of truth theory, if you did you'd have recognized the example in my previous post.

PS
Keep on slapping blindly at those keys Dr. Zaius, you are more amusing than you realize.
To All Friend and foe alike I want you to check out this weeks "This Modern World" IMHO Tom Tomorrow really hits the nail squarely on the head. Hey Countdown people! How about having Tom on as a guest?
The link is www.thismodernworld.com  
We got more fleas - I'm getting out the Flea Powder.
WARNING!  Lightweight levity ahead!

Krista and Steve - If you don't know about Assimilated Press (http://assimilatedpress.blogspot.com/), you're missing a lot of snarky humor.  Have a smiley face afternoon!

Tuesday, June 26, 2007
Cheney Tortures Logic & Stretches Truth

Washington, D.C. - White House insiders admitted today that Vice President Cheney was observed torturing logic. “The Vice President,” said one staffer who wished to remain anonymous, “is torturing logic and also using a rack to stretch the truth.” The Vice President, who in the past has claimed executive privilege to refuse oversight of his office, has now claimed that he is not part of the Executive branch after all. Mr. Cheney asserts that since his vote serves as the tie-breaker in the Senate and he attends Senate sessions, he is actually part of the Legislative branch. However, Mr. Cheney also has refused to comply with the oversight authority of the legislature, claiming his executive privilege.

“It was horrible,” said the staffer, voice shaking, as he described watching the Vice President torturing logic and truth. “He kept turning the crank on the rack and stretching truth further and further until finally it just snapped. All the while Cheney was shooting piercing glances and hammering the truth with questions. Then he took a whip and tortured logic until logic was moaning and babbling. By the time Cheney was done logic was helplessly and hopelessly illogical. Then he moved on to drowning out protest using a waterboard.“

Asked if President Bush had taken part in the torture the staffer replied, “No, the President wasn’t available to torture logic and stretch truth because he was off somewhere else mangling syntax.”

Tony Snow, White House press spokesman, refuted the charges that the Vice President tortured logic or stretched truth. “We are facing a terrible enemy, which is why it is of the utmost importance to national security that the taxpayers not know how many staffers they are paying to work in the Vice President’s office. It is also vital that no one in America knows who Cheney is meeting with or where he goes. No one should know this crucial information, certainly not regular Americans or Congress, and probably not even the President.”

When asked why citizens should not know what their public servant was doing, Mr. Snow replied, “It’s right there in the Constitution. I’m not sure exactly where, because I’m not a Constitutional scholar like the Vice President is, but he claims it’s in there and I accept his explanation. And so should you.”
Sue West - Allis: Ditto on the spelling. None one person on here has been without error. Those without error may cast the first stone. Quit the bullshit about the spelling.

Scott: Let the Christian / Muslim thing go will ya. The Christians have been bastards in the past and participated in much violense against others. The Islamic fanatics appear to be one step on them "at this time" (don't see anyone finding 20 beheaded folks in Norhtern Ireland due to Christian violence ("at this time"). Let it go.  

Todd: Love your posts man but I have seen you end several posts to Scott with Bye, or Bye Loser yet you continue to come back to him. If you are saying Bye to Scott (unless those are temporary Byes) then let it be for good.  

Wayne: I just agreed with Sue's comment about spelling errors but at least we can get the names right, I beleive that it is Todd and not Tod.

Wayne: Truth theory? What is truth Wayne. Do you have it, know it? What is truth really but someone's opinion. Is a sound made when a tree falls in the forest but no one around for miles to hear it? What came first the chicken or the egg. Wherein lies truth Wayne.

Independent: Those who have been shellacked or who others think have been shellacked have not been shallacked unless those on the receiving end recognize themselves that they have been shellacked. Scott and Wayne don't think they have been shellacked and will never believe they are being shellacked. Is that a word Buttercup (shellacked) or am I mispelling it. Oh well, you know what I mean.  
Scott - you've never responded to my "positive Bush agenda items" under the Cheney's World thread.
Don't want to be seen as picking on Tod but I recently found the business that transformed him into the "Professionally Trained Button Pusher" he claims to be.
http://www.helpinghandsmonkeys.org/pages/helpers.html

Plus
"An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:


Person A makes claim X.
Person B makes an attack on person A.
Therefore A's claim is false.
The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).

"

Gee how about that, ad homimen capitalised for emphasis. Tod must now track down those people and correct them immediately. Can't have grammar errors on the net now can we.
Here on the blog, it also goes that way.  But it's not advertised as All Politics and it's good that it isn't.  We need the inane to keep us from going insane, OK?  And if you don't know that, you're looking at a ton of Psychiatrist Bills down the line, or a ton of Scientology Bills, whichever you prefer.
Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa (Sent Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:24 PM)

Thanks Steve for the great analogy!! You're right on target.  I also feel that it is the right of everyone to post in the manner they feel most comfortable, while NOT being abusive.

B A has as much right to make suggestions to Countdown as the numerous people, myself included, make for timely updates.  This is indeed his right. B A also brings truth, vast knowledge and information, in conjunction with his humor, and most always incorporates it into one post.

I find this refreshing, just as I do Countdown's incorporation of humor.  Personally, I have the utmost respect for B A and admire his writing; as I said yesterday, he's right up there as one of the best, along with Todd, in my opinion.

I believe Jamie said it best in one of her posts, "This is an open blog".  

Again Steve, thank you!!
Bill - thanks for the the link!!
Hey Todd, are you a fan of Aerosmith?  You got it made friend-the whole 'Love in an elevator thing.'

'Lovin' it up while I'm goin' doooooooown!':)

Rock on elevator man!:)
1.)  "Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California (Sent Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:25 PM)  "As far as being his "mouthpiece", no, Todd is much more intelligent and scholarly than me."-------  That is a really sad thing to have to admit, although I'm not sure it's true, I haven't met many scholarly elevator operators...  roflmao..."  
scott henderson nv (Sent Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:18 PM)

2.)  Keep in mind my rules of engagement, I don’t insult unless I have been insulted, and I believe you did just that in your last post.
scott henderson nv (Sent Thursday, June 28, 2007 4:10 PM)

Note - posted on same day, and less than two hours apart!!

Scott, you are one conflicted person, and the above posts prove you a liar too!! Personally, I'm sick of your neo con, xenophobic crab; and have ignored you for days now.  However, you have insulted me, and now have the audacity to tell Independent #2 above.

Everything Todd has said about you is the truth!! Oh, by the way, he's WON EVERY TIME!!




Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa "Give me Tome Cruise no or Give me Freud but for God sake never Give me Dick!"
Independent remember it's a short ride on the blue ball for all of us.Those who are killing folks and making it miserable for others that's not what we are about and the tragedy.
I am not going to try and change your opinion but trust me on the Sunscreen when your down.
These moderators/editors good folks.My world is too complicated already just with a bunch of shits trying to figure out how to squeeze every last drop of blood from us before we die to protect their egos.
Listen to link if you'd like.One of the goals my partner and I had in our many years at the California Legislature was to try to bring some good to the the people in the offices we worked for which were all of them in the Senate and others when possible.We did some pretty crazy things to bring smiles to the folks who worked in the trenches.
Slap a little of this On Ya!
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/bazluhrmannsunscreen.htm
S&W - Thanks again.  Still wasting time attacking me was your choice I see.  I haven't laughed this hard since Mr. $54 Million Dollar Pants lost.  Keep on dancin', monkeys, keep on dancin'. rofl.  You two are particularly dim-witted.  I see why you are followers for a fact because, as they say down on the farm, neither of you have sense to pour piss out of a boot with the instructions written on the bottom.  How about CHENEY?  Hmmm?  What?  Nothing?  No?  Then in the words of Chef, "Time for you to move on now, childrens."  Try to save just a little face.  It is for your own good.  Buh-bye.
scott henderson nv (Sent Thursday, June 28, 2007 4:10 PM)

Well drat, Scott. I fell right into that one, huh. (smile) Tag you're it?? (smile) No No. I don't want to play. Appreciate the offer, though.

I just don't have any sense of gaming on these kind of issues. Once we get past some of the real crises, maybe I'll be more able to play along but not at this time. Besides, although I sense that you really are just playing around, there are others who have more unpleasant overtones (and undertones). Don't want to play with them at all.

I don't know how you'll feel about this but you've actually helped me in campaign work around here. Folks will start off saying some of the stuff that you like to poke us with. I just wait them out. Once they see that I'm not gonna go crazy, they settle down and we can have nice chats. Thanks for the lessons!

Have a good time with your fun. Maybe in the future, I'll pick up a thread or too and make you really work!!
As long as we're using allegories here, I thought Dr. Zaius was the faith-based ape that was prone to bringing dissenters up on charges of heresy or some such .... it's been years.  Certainly not the kind of ape that would buy into ...well, evolution for example.  Wayne, awhile back I vaguely recall your argument against the validity of evolutionary theory or was it for faith-based religion ....can't quite recall.  

Sure doesn't seem to fit Todd, so it must be someone is looking in the mirror again, or 'projecting' as those psychologist guys would say.  I say forget Truth Theory and check out Attribution Theory, where less is more, especially if you're trying to convince folks of how absolutely right you are by piling facts on top of facts.  A word of advice - keep it simple stupid.  I for one am more of an intuitive type....listening for that truth-tone.  Let's face 'facts' - conviction (truth) resides in the heart of the listener, rather than the diatribe of the true believer.  Pursuasion is truly an art form....as in 'the gentle art of pursuasion'.  Todd's got it and you guys ain't.  Heads up - you may have to drop the 'gentle' in this case.

I had a feeling you two would hook up, so it looks like it's back to school for the two of ya's......

Scott - a compliment....your composition has improved about 1000% and you're a pretty good read lately - thank Todd.....keep working on the dialetics.
Sorry, I don't grade for spelling - it's the ideas and information that count.
Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin (Sent Thursday, June 28, 2007 3:00 PM)

Yes, Sue, it is.  Thanks for the reminder to all here!!
Bush looks terrified in this picture. "Help me, the clown is gonna get me!!!!"
LOL I also don't believe in responding to the provacateers here (they know who they are).  It disturbs the conversation that occurs between the sane people here about serious issued.  I just bypass the posts of the known offenders.  They're just filled with bogus talking points or personal attacks.

Just like fleas, the more you scratch em the more they have to eat and the more you collect.

Isn't there any room on the Bush Kool Aid Drinkers Blog anymore?
Dirty Dick and Dumb George both need to be either shot or hung by the neck until dead.  These are the two most worthless illegitimate asses I ever laid eyes on.  As for 9-11, all inside job.  Bush was conveniently in Florida on his butt in a classroom and didn't move for almost a half hour after being told, duh, what does that tell you.  There was no evidence of any kind of airplane part outside the Pentagon, another duh, what does that tell you.
This whole shadow government thing is RIGHT ON, I didn't like the looks or actions of either of these two Hitler's and their buddy Rove, there's another one that defintely needs to be destroyed along with any surviving family members, God knows we don't need any more trash like this bunch that needs to be "bagged, and thrown out."
If I were rich like George Soros, I'd put a contract out on anyone in the White House who bows to these idiots and literally clean house, long overdue and we need a good assassination to wake us up and turn things around.  I won't be voting for anymore Republicans either, they're all trash.


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