Quarter 1 profits reportedly fell 17% to $4.36 BILLION!  

http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2064307,00.html

Puts the $21.3 million fine in perspective.

Oh great, I cant wait to see how BP punishes me at the pump. Yeah, lets have a little more "government curbing corporate excess" I just love paying $4.00 per gallon for gas.

Lets fine them some more, I just love paying higher gas prices.

Yea but When Rush was in Sacramento KFBK we all took that stuff bear listening to him.
They thought about using him and his ceaselss opinated mouth as a psyops weapon to drive the enemy crazy.It backfired.

Yes these poor Pharmacuetical bastards. Don't give me that reaserch and devopment shit. It is called supply and demand where I come from. We don't pay you don't get to play.
Teddy Kennedy had hearings on another non-addicitve drugs and its cousins in the mid
70s Valium,Librium,ect you know the non addcitve things like XANAX.


BP posted a net profit of 22.34 billion dollars (18.64 billion euros) in 2005.

BP Posts Record Profits from http://www.buzzle.com/
The oil giant BP today announced record annual profits of $19.3bn (£11bn), up 25% despite a fall in production after hurricane damage in the Gulf of Mexico.

Like its rivals Shell and ExxonMobil, the world’s second-largest oil firm benefited from the soaring price of crude oil last year. The price of crude leapt from $45 to $70 a barrel in August after hurricane Katrina struck the US.

The storms also hit onshore refineries such as Texas City, where there was a fatal fire in March. The fire sent fourth-quarter production down to 4.02bn barrels a day.

BP’s chief executive, Lord Browne, said: "BP’s fourth-quarter result was particularly hit by the continued production shutdown of our Texas City refinery during its refurbishment."

He added that the result for the whole of 2005 was "a record" and "reflects the quality of our asset base and operations".

BP said its full-year result had been hit by a loss of $1.6bn caused by the hurricanes.
Awe the poor bastards. Pass the hat.

Since no new refineries have been built in the US since the '70 refineries like BP have been over extended to meet production needs.

These older refineries no matter how updated are less efficient and produce more pollution than new refineries built from the ground up using the latest methods would be.

Every attempt to promote the construction of newer more efficient refineries has been blocked by opponents of the Administration.

New refinery construction would reduce production bottlenecks and lower fuel prices, also they would reduce pollution.

The Startup investment in a new refinery is so high few want to risk the capital.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/oil/story/0,,2064308,00.html

"Every attempt to promote the construction of newer more efficient refineries has been blocked by opponents of the Administration"

Prove it. The oil companies have intentionally consolidated production and shut down functional refinaries to raise consumer costs to drive profits:
http://www.imakenews.com/lng/e_article000365852.cfm?x=b11,0,w

Time to change our energy sources and just put the bastards and the saudis out of business.  How much more could it possibly cost?  And saving the world is a benefit.

Wayne, TN (Sent Friday, July 20, 2007 7:20 PM)

Damn - I was SURE once Wayne was exposed as they lying sack of crap he is, he would GO AWAY!!

Wayne, I accept your apology for not only calling me a liar, but more importantly, for ALL of the children who have fell victim to "International Parental Abduction"!! It's so nice to see a "swell American" making fun of children and parents who go through such a traumatic event in their lives - right on Wayne - hope your sorry ass is proud of yourself TRAITOR!!

Also, I see you have changed course, from “copying and pasting” to plagiarism!! - like you wrote that!! HAH!! – You can’t put together one coherent sentence!!

TRAITOR

I know it is a waste of time to research the facts for people who think facts have a liberal bias but here is what I found with a quick google search.

Exxon/Mobil and BP said the have no plans or need to build refineries because they were meeting demand with production expansion of existing refineries. Also in congressional testimony this April a Chevron executive said --
When asked if the company might invest in a new U.S. refinery, Robertson had a quick answer:

"Why would I invest in a refinery when you're trying to make 20 percent of the gasoline supply ethanol?"

Here is the secret. Who wants to risk investing in refineries when the demand might be cut by ethanol production and addition to gasoline. The article went on to say that the energy company executives all denied that regulations were keeping them from building refineries.

Wayne, TN (Sent Friday, July 20, 2007 7:20 PM)

That's easy we will let the government regulate and build refinery's and put a cap on gas and and regulate it like any other utility. We will tax the big Saudi Imports not allow them to pass that on to us little guys you Bandar Bush and his little Oil Prince friends.
Yep they threated to do that once I believe in the early 70's and the Big Oil Companies Shit Bricks.
Do you think the people of this country care who refines there oil and regulates the price as long as its low.
We are the market. THE MARKET they have to sell the shit to us or they have no market. You think they use a lot of Oil in Iceland,or Europe compared to us.

The problem is the American electorate fell for that Reagan bull about regulation.

Do you think the people of this Country would care if Gas had a Cap on it as an import to sell here a cap at the pump. 1.75 a gallon sounds good or lower, Let the reserves flow.This is a stick up.
I'd rather use tax money on some Federally Run Refineries to prove how the Oil companies are ripping us off than waste it junket flights for Congressmen and Lies for Wars. Even Rutin Tutin Putin has to have a Market. Until folks figure out we are the market if they ever do its going to business as usual.
Public refineries fine by me. No big deal.Gas regulation fine by me no big deal.The money will go to other things like National Health Care.
I am going to be kind to you Wayne because of your last post. It may only be temporary but I'll take the gloves off for a tick.

People don't care what the name is on the Gas along as its cheap and it don't say Bush or Cheney or Rice Petroleum.
Westmoreland was a jerk who kept sending more men to get killed just like Dubya as George was trying to explain.
The body count was a 10to 1 ration and rats,rabbits,cows,anything that moved counted.My brother was an Intel Analyst with the Big Red 1 at Lai Khe . They had a funeral for an officers dog once. A damn dog with a medal on the coffin. That must have been some kind of Dog . He was a real son of a bitch.

They also buy refineries and then close them as happened years ago in California.  They want production less than demand so they can keep those prices high and their wallets fat.

""Every attempt to promote the construction of newer more efficient refineries has been blocked by opponents of the Administration"

Prove it. The oil companies have intentionally consolidated production and shut down functional refinaries to raise consumer costs to drive profits:
http://www.imakenews.com/lng/e_article000365852.cfm?x=b11,0,w

Chris Partridge, Windsor, CO
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Oil companies make profit regardless of how much fuel gets to the consumer, or haven't you noticed.

The Administration wanted to encourage the Oil companies to build new Refineries by letting them use abandoned military bases which already had roads and other facilites in place.
The plan was blocked and the Oil Companies found they could still make profit while you pay through the nose and risk shortages.
This way they don't risk the startup money and you get the shaft anyway.

BTW
You people realize that BP is not an American Company don't you.

It's not just that environmental regulations and community opposition have limited construction of refineries.  Many of these companies have closed refineries--they don't want to put money into cleaning up what they have spent decades fouling and they don't want to pay American industrial wages to their employees.  In some cases water has to be trucked or piped into old refinery communities because corporations have madethe water in the ground toxic.  The same communities are devasted even further when the company just leaves town and lets the government Superfund clean up after it.

Many multi-national corporations have no interest in investing money in the old American basic industries--they'd rather close the steel mills, the refineries, the auto plants and ship the jobs to places where all standards, including wages, are low.

I get tired of people blaming "liberals" for destroying industries through regulation.  Read Devra Davis's "When Smoke Ran Like Water"  to learn how fast people can die from pollution;  she devotes a chapter to the 1948 "killer smog" in Donora, PA and another to a 1950s smog in London that killed thousands. She isn't a "liberal environmental"--she's an epidemiologist who is an expert on the link between pollution and conditions like breast cancer, brain tumors, sudden respiratory failures.  Instead of paying bloated CEO and executive salaries, these companies could put money into finding better ways to do refining--or better fuels that don't have the environmental and health hazards.

If these companies didn't post massive profits year after year, or didn't pay their execs hundreds of millions of dollars, or didn't abandon their old plants and mills and employees just to INCREASE already large profits, or had from their 19th century beginnings demonstrated even the least concern for the public good, then I could believe them when they cry that the terrible liberal environmentalists won't let them build a refinery.

Refineries are very dangerous environments;  the failure of a single pipe or a spark of electricity in the wrong place can blow the whole thing up.  And if you've  lived in a refinery town, and worried about the risk of explosion and fire, or watched your relatives and friends succumb to cancer in ridiculous numbers, or seen an entire region stagger because an entire industry decided to close up and move elsewhere for more profits, you would know that what is true for their good friend George Bush is also true of the petro-chemical spokemen: if their lips are moving, they are lying.
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From Pam's Sob Story
"On August 25, 1993, my then seven-year-old twin daughters were abducted by my then-husband, a Jordanian national and naturalized US citizen."

From the link she posted as supposed proof.

"Hi my name is Reema Hawartheh. I frist heard of Bttey Mahmoody and her daughter when my father let us go back to the States in 1993. My father is from Jordan and in August of 1992 he took me and my twin sister when we were sevean without my mother. "

You got the years wrong Pamster.
Abducted in 92 and returned in 93, not abducted in 93 as you posted.
I guess your eyes were crossed when you were lifting the story for your own.

Heres the definition of Base Oil
"There are five specific categories of base oils. These categories define the type of base stock the oil is formulated from. The categories are as follows. Note that the base oil group category is followed by the manufacturing method (in bold print) and then a description of the oil characteristics for each category.

"
http://www.performanceoiltechnology.com/baseoilcategories.htm

Your Link
"Prove it. The oil companies have intentionally consolidated production and shut down functional refinaries to raise consumer costs to drive profits:
http://www.imakenews.com/lng/e_article000365852.cfm?x=b11,0,w

Chris Partridge, Windsor, CO
"
Is about "Base Oil" refineries not Fuel Oils or Gasoline. Also almost all those closures were not US refineries.

""Why would I invest in a refinery when you're trying to make 20 percent of the gasoline supply ethanol?"

Here is the secret. Who wants to risk investing in refineries when the demand might be cut by ethanol production and addition to gasoline. The article went on to say that the energy company executives all denied that regulations were keeping them from building refineries.

nuanced
"
Unfortunately Ethanol uses up Corn and other food crops which drives up the cost of foods which use them.
I'm all for alternative fuels but the demand far exceeds the supply.
Some South American countries seem to make Ethanol work for them, at the cost of the rain forests.

Start up costs of today make investment in a new refinery iffy at best. They can make their profit regardless because you'll pay what the traffic will bear.
New refineries would benefit US Citizens not the Oil companies directly.
You should be in favor of new refineries, since the Oil Companies don't give a hoot.

I think the disconnect here is that you assumed the Administration wanted new refineries in order to benefit the Oil Companies.

Pam - 2 words.

Paid blog buster.

well hell - 3 words

I think you are right Wayne, new refineries would benefit the public much more than the oil companies. Your statement is not true that refineries have been blocked because of political opposition to Bush; for one the Bush administration has not been in power for 30 years (I didn't need to use Google to check that out).  Yes I know that BP stands for British Petroleum.

"I think you are right Wayne, new refineries would benefit the public much more than the oil companies."
Well at least we are on the same page on this one subject
"
Your statement is not true that refineries have been blocked because of political opposition to Bush; for one the Bush administration has not been in power for 30 years (I didn't need to use Google to check that out)."
I'd written
"Every attempt to promote the construction of newer more efficient refineries has been blocked by opponents of the Administration.
"
I suppose I assumed that you'd recognize that I meant in recent years.
The administration made a pretty good case for getting the Oil companies or perhaps independent companies interested in building new refineries, it will have to be done sooner or later anyway.
Those abandoned Military bases can be used in many ways, but considering clean up costs of some of them only a company with serious jack could turn a profit.

Some towns want the jobs a refinery would provide but aren't wild about the pollution factor.
Maybe they'll have a break through in technology which will give the industry a good reason to get off their duff.

PS
They used to run Model T trucks on Corn Whiskey during the depression and WW2 , also some sawmills ,and I remember an emergency generator for use below decks that used Ethanol, thats the "Torpedo Juice" you sometimes hear about.
Ethanol powered engines are not a new thing.

Pam - 2 words.

Paid blog buster.
Independent, Texas (Sent Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:05 AM)

I know Independent - Wayne is a PROVEN LIAR and can't accept it!! I'm glad I've posted my daughters names on this site before, Rana & Reema!!

Wayne's an ass, and that link proves it!!

Inde -

Wayne is SUCH an ass that he would expect ANYONE to believe someone else would have twin daughters named Rana and Reema that just happened to be abducted by their Jordanian father!! Yeah, ok Wayne - SHUT UP!!

As I said Inde - Wayne is an ass and now a proven liar.  I guess my daughter Reema, who was seven when she abducted with her twins sister Rana, made a mistake in the year; however, I remember the year, month, date and minute they were abducted!!

WAYNE - YOU'RE A LIAR - YOU'RE BUSTED - YOU HAVE MADE A FOOL OF YOURSELF HERE!! NOW, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE YOUR TROLL ASS AND PAINT YOUR NECK ANOTHER SHADE OF RED!!

CIAO LIAR!!!!

Time to change our energy sources and just put the bastards and the saudis out of business.  How much more could it possibly cost?  And saving the world is a benefit.
jen,il

First thing first. Park you car throw away the keys, walk away and never look  back. If you can do this, then and only then can you back up your comment. Otherwise it's just talk.

Pam, I have also found that Wayne while trying to prove his point will only put a small amount of information about something even from a site and doesn't leave a URL so people can read the whole thing... I am done with that A$$ and will move on with more important matters from now on.. and keep trying to put truthful facts here...
I do so wish that people would watch the documentaries 9/11 Mysteries Part I: Demolitions, Freedom To Fascism, Loose Change 2nd Edition, and Hacking Democracy.

Some are online and free to watch.. http://www.911weknow.com/911-mysteries-movie.html
Some them can be googled..
Hacking Democracy was an HBO documentary.. on this you will find that they spoke to Howard Dean.. Look these things up please.. they are very important to know..
WWW.IMPEACHBUSH.ORG

"I guess my daughter Reema, who was seven when she abducted with her twins sister Rana, made a mistake in the year; however, I remember the year, month, date and minute they were abducted!!
"
The story you linked to stated clearly that the abduction took place in august of 1992 and they were allowed to return in December of 1993. It also said they were gone at least one year.

You now claim that because the story you linked to as proof actually refutes your story that the evidence you present is in error and therefore useless.
If not for the other very easily proven example of your lying I wouldn't have taken much notice. That one can be quickly checked out by anyone with a search engine.

Brenda chose not to investigate Ramsey Clarke's record of defending Terrorist, Dictators, Mass Murderers, and NAZI War Criminals. To admit that her hero has skeletons in his closet, millions if you count the mass graves of the victims of those he defends, would undermine her carefully constructed delusion.

Paranoid Delusions abound on this site, and the more it's stirred the worse it stinks.

Too bad really, about one third of those who occasionally post here seem to be reasonable folks, I doubt they stay long without becoming infected by the self feedin group pyschosis.

Now go back to squating in a ditch picking bugs out of each others fur and shrieking Bush Bahhhhd everytime it rains.

Article on Ethanol
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19874792/site/newsweek/
You could find it on the main page but few Olbymanniacs seem to know that there are other sources of information.

For goodness sake will somebody give Whine-I mean Wayne TN some tinfoil for under his coonskin hat.

Please leave them trolls alone - they're multiplying.

Brenda Deltona FL (Sent Saturday, July 21, 2007 11:56 AM)

Thank you Brenda for your support and as I have told you in the past, not only do YOU ROCK, I so admire your passion and your efforts to bring this Administration down.

I've utilized most every link you have posted and called those you suggested!!

PEACE & KUDOS!!

Wayne, you tend to make comments you don't know about! You do not know me nor do you know how much or what I know! I posted the rest of what you only put a small bit of.. yes I knew about Ramsey Clark, you as I have said are an IDIOT! LIKE ANY OTHER BUSH BRAINDEAD DWEEB you are a spinner, which also matches your head! I can counteract your BUSH BULL SH!T GIVE IT UP!!!!
OH and by the way how many hundreds of thousands of innocents have died at that hand of PNAC & Bushy Boys WAR? I can bet at least the same if not thousands more! Maybe, just maybe we should railroad their war crimes and hang them all just as those people were, instead of getting a fair trial! They are WAR CRIMINALS just like those you mentioned.
I do so love how Braindead Bush Lovers try like H3LL to stop people who tell the truth right? That's the way you MF'ERS work isn't it??? Throwing BS dirt will not get you anywhere! Make the people look bad with your propaganda??
Just as you are trying to do by hurting PAM with her children, HOW LOW! This shows what kind of people NEOCONS are, no surprise! So Wayne F OFF!

Oh, something else all I've noticed.. Wayne doesn't reply in the blog that goes with what he is talking about so others don't know what is really going on..so I will post it all here for all to see..
It's in the blog...
PLAME SUIT DISMISSED

WAYNES COMMENT!
Brenda's Hero Ramsey Clark
"On 18 March 2006, Clark attended the funeral of Slobodan Milošević. He declared: "History will prove Milošević was right. Charges are just that, charges. The trial did not have facts." He compared the trials of Slobodan Milošević and Saddam Hussein, stating: "both trials are marred with injustice, both are flawed." He also described Slobodan Milošević and Saddam Hussein as "[b]oth commanders" who "were courageous enough to fight more powerful countries." [10]

"
Pick another loser to swear allegiance to.
Wayne, TN (Sent Friday, July 20, 2007 5:56 PM)

MY COMMENT BACK!
William Ramsey Clark (born December 18, 1927) is a lawyer and activist. He worked for the U.S. Department of Justice, which included service as the 66th United States Attorney General under President Lyndon B. Johnson. He has been known for his continuing advocacy on behalf of civil and human rights political causes. He is also known for his role as defense attorney in the trials of controversial figures, such as defense attorney for Saddam Hussein. He was a recipient of the Gandhi Peace Award.

Clark was born in Dallas, Texas, to Mary Jane Ramsey and Tom C. Clark,[1] who was also a United States Attorney General and a justice of the Supreme Court. Clark served in the United States Marine Corps in 1945 and 1946, then earned a B.A. degree from the University of Texas at Austin in 1949, an M.A. and a J.D. from the University of Chicago in 1950.

He was admitted to the Texas bar in 1950, and to practice before the Supreme Court of the United States in 1956. From 1951 to 1961, Clark was an associate and partner in the law firm of Clark, Reed and Clark.

Kennedy and Johnson Administrations

Clark served in the Department of Justice as the Assistant Attorney General of the Lands Division from 1961 to 1965, and as Deputy Attorney General from 1965 to 1967.
On March 2, 1967, President Johnson appointed him to be Attorney General of the United States, an appointment probably influenced by Johnson's expectation that Clark's father, Associate Justice Tom C. Clark, would resign from the Supreme Court to avoid a conflict of interest. Johnson wanted a vacancy to be created on the Court so he could appoint Thurgood Marshall, the first African American justice. The elder Clark resigned from the Supreme Court on June 12, 1967.

Clark served as Attorney General until Johnson's term as President ended on January 20, 1969.

Clark played an important role in the history of the American Civil Rights movement. During his years at the Justice Department, he

supervised the federal presence at Ole Miss during the week following the admission of James Meredith;
surveyed all school districts in the South desegregating under court order (1963);
supervised federal enforcement of the court order protecting the march from Selma to Montgomery; and
headed the Presidential task force to Watts following the riots.
supervised the drafting and executive role in passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and Civil Rights Act of 1968.
As Attorney General during part of the Vietnam War, Clark oversaw the prosecution of the Boston Five for “conspiracy to aid and abet draft resistance.” Four of the five were convicted, including pediatrician Dr. Benjamin Spock and Yale chaplain William Sloane Coffin Jr.

In addition to his government work, during this period Clark was also director of the American Judicature Society (in 1963) and national president of the Federal Bar Association in 1964–65.

READ ON YOU DIRT BAG!!! BS THROWER!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsey_Clark

I will tell you something you POS Wayne.. I thought Saddam was a thug but Bush invaded a soverign nation based on lies.. YOU ARE STUPID!

I know that I have said I would refrain from responding to idiots.. but I WILL NOT LET YOU SPEW YOUR NEOCON BS towards someone who cares about people and believes in the CONSTITUTION UNLIKE YOU, YOU FASCIST!
Brenda Deltona FL (Sent Friday, July 20, 2007 9:12 PM)

ALSO ANOTHER ONE OF MY COMMENTS

Oh and by the way I put the whole URL here for everyone to read.. thing is when you finally understand the New World Order, you would understand what his statement about Slobodan Milošević meant!
Brenda Deltona FL (Sent Friday, July 20, 2007 9:20 PM)

Thank you Pam very much appreciated! You know I think the same about you! :D
Always, Peace, Love and Happiness

Brenda Deltona FL (Sent Saturday, July 21, 2007 8:33 PM)

Right on!! You go girl!!

I don't want to hear any more about the lack refineries, cost of gas, supporting terrorist countries, drililng in/not drilling in ANWR or anything else about it until we get the damn-dumb SUVa's and huge pickup trucks with beds so small you can't haul anything in them off the roads!  No one EVER talks about that, yet everyone agrees it's all about supply and DEMAND.

Put the Plant Manager in jail and fine the CEO, President and Board of Directors. Get up close and personal to get their attention. It worked in the '90s against scamming Defence Contractors, and it works in Japan. It can work with Corporate America.

don't want to hear any more about the lack refineries, cost of gas, supporting terrorist countries, drililng in/not drilling in ANWR or anything else about it until we get the damn-dumb SUVa's and huge pickup trucks with beds so small you can't haul anything in them off the roads!  No one EVER talks about that, yet everyone agrees it's all about supply and DEMAND.
Yeah, boy- Ah bet she gots a HEMI (Sent Monday, July 23, 2007 9:18)'

My neighbor traded in her Expedition yesterday for an Escape Hybrid.  I told her her pocketbook and our environment will thank her for it.

I'm not sure about other places in the country, but so many people drive SUV's here (they have maybe 2 kids and don't even haul/pull anything), not to mention Hummers.  Crazy.

Pam, I also made the calls today, and just found out that one of them still has an office close to where I live.. OOOOOOOO BOY!!! :D I had thought that since Tom Feeney was around that John Mica no longer had his office here.. woo woo.. and they are off in August..

If only Wayne would use comparable energy in getting information about Bushy and his administration to what he uses going after an anonymous blogger - who knows? In a short time, "people" like scotty small caps and Larry Charleston would be calling him names and attacking him on an anonymous blog.

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