Countdown Wednesday: War Is Sell

Posted: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:59 PM by Countdown
Filed Under: Blogging the Countdown

Can You Fear Me Now: Our fifth story on the Countdown: The Bush administration's effort to scare or even shame Congress into doing its bidding... In this case, into giving it 190 billion more dollars for the war in Iraq. by invoking the 9/11 attacks... took two hits today... one symbolic, one judicial. Tonight a federal judge in Portland has just ruled that two provisions of The Patriot Act are unconstitutional because they permit, "the executive branch of government to conduct surveillance and searches of American citizens without satisfying the probable cause requirements of the Fourth Amendment." And the symbolism: Defense Secretary Robert Gates... evidently departing from the prepared text of his opening statement on Capitol Hill this afternoon: apparently dropping a planned reference to the 9/11 attacks.

The Stalls of Justice : Larry Craig -- back in court but not back in good graces in his party... And Rudy Giuliani -- firing another key campaign worker -- on the night of the "9/11 for Rudy" fund-raiser.

ODDBALL: On the gridiron...what is becoming an ugly trend in modern sideline entertainment: When mascots attack. And the last thing you'd want to find in that used smoker you picked up on the cheap: human appendages.

O'Reilly in Color: Bill O'Reilly is in big trouble, not unlike the seismic gurglings that erupted into the Don Imus Crisis of last Spring. Part one of our series: Out To Lunch. Will Fox finally fire Billo...Or will his big giant head just going to explode of its own accord?

Kiss My Asterisk: The debate over what to do with the baseball Barry Bonds hit for his record-breaking, but ever-dubious, 756th career home run is over. The Hall of Fame agreeing to accept the ball, with an asterisk.

WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD: Alexis Glick, Rudy Giuliani and Ann Coulter (aka Coulter-geist) vying for tonight's honor...

Countdown to the Debate: The Democrats debating tonight at Dartmouth College in New Hampshire, with the growing sense that the nomination that the nomination is Senator Clinton's to lose.

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Comments

Stop bothering me!!

O J (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:00 PM)

“Childrens” and gays removed from official transcripts? Well, well, well. Rewriting history is at least one thing that the Bush administration and the Iranian government have in common. (Yes, yes, I know, there’s that defying the United Nations thing, too.)

As my colleague the Queen of Hearts used to say, “It’s a poor sort of memory that works only backward.”

Red Queen (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:02 PM)

Like Barry Bonds really had a choice to accept the * or not

K. Collins, USN (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:05 PM)

#5 -- Leaving 9/11 out of Robert Gates' remarks, as startling as it may be, was only a small act of courage. On a practical level, it makes no difference. The damage is already done and there seems to be no good way out. If only Colin Powell had shown the greater courage required to leave that WMD stuff out of his UN presentation. How different would the world look today?

Anomaly (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:08 PM)

Keith, Keith, Keith, Keith, KEITH!! How could you in your segway to the #3 story link "He Who Shall Not Be Named" to NAKED LUNCH - the classic William S. Burroughs novel about drug abuse??! Maybe you think Mr. Falafel is on drugs? I'm probably the only one here who even made the association, but my "Beat" literature antenae are always on high alert. Burroughs would consider BillO a cretin of the highest order, and I can hear a distant whirring of him spinning in his grave; yes, he is actually buried in the Burroughs family plot at Bellafontaine Cemetery in St. Louis. It's close enough that I go pay my respects once a year or so.

Other comments on other subjects to come soon...

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:12 PM)

I'm of the opinion that the next politition to use "9/11" for any political purpose should be declared an "enemy combatant" and incarcerated at Gitmo. Actually, Rudy has used it so much, he should become a "lifer" there--as should Bush for his "fear" campaign.

Stu, Saginaw, MI (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:13 PM)

Concerning tonight's #5 story, Rachel Maddow's comments reminded me, of all things, the FAMILY GUY episode that featured one Keith Olbermann. Louis Griffin, in running for mayor, resorted to answering all questions raised in a debate with "9/11" or "9/11 was bad!" 9/11 will continue to be a "great catch phrase" as long as you don't go into the dirty details of not catching BinLaden, a giant hole where the Twin Towers used to be, etc.

And, GWB needs to enroll in the class I teach! Hell, if I'm invited to the White House, I'll teach him for free! I teach students how to write and communicate effectively and grammatically correct sentences and essays, including that pesky "subject-verb agreement" that he seemed to have trouble with.

My thoughts on the Democratic debate later...

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:20 PM)

A special message for big-headed Billo:

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."

"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."

"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master -- that's all."

What's the moral?

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall:
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
And all the King's horses and all the King's men
Couldn't put Humpty Dumpty in his place again.

Red Queen (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:21 PM)

Will Fox finally fire Billo...Or will his big giant head just going to explode of its own accord?

Is this a voting thing or a contest or something?

O'Reilly preaches to his choir, those who already think like he does. Or neglect to think. Whatev.

So I don't think Fox will fire him because Fox and its audience are on the same page. Fox relieves their viewers of the need to think for themselves because Fox will tell them what to think.

Spreading the hate of all things different from them by nurturing the fear of things, people and ideas they don't understand and don't want to understand. That is the business of Fox and they do it well.

So I think Fox won't fire O'Reilly. His head will just eventually explode of its own accord.

Dee (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:34 PM)

Anomaly - thank you for writing a civil blog, and making some sense to boot. If only you weren't an anomaly on this thread. Full Moon (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:41 PM)

Full Moon -- If only I weren't an anomaly everywhere. But thanks. I always appreciate the opportunity for civilized dialog. Sometimes it's hard to get ... on either side of the issues.

Anomaly (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:39 PM)

Good point, I wish he/she wanted to!! PEACE!!
Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:20 PM)

Pam: Agreed. But the way I see it, it's pretty much up to the snapper, and I can see some good reasons why he/she/it wouldn't want to. The snapper obviously already has enough to do, keeping up with all of us, and whatever else the snapper may do on his/her/its day job. We'll all just have to make do the best we can.

Emily Post (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:03 PM)

"Will Fox finally fire Billo"?

Gee Keith. I thought you supported free speech. Also, why should "Billo" be fired for his comments while you get a pass for all of your comments?

James, San Diego, CA (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:05 PM)

OK enough rehash of old material for me. President asks for more money (OLD), Larry (OLD), BillO (OLD), ...... Whats going on with OJ Anyone know?

Gerald Von Riesen Parker CO (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:24 PM)

U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken ruled that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, as amended by the Patriot Act, "now permits the executive branch of government to conduct surveillance and searches of American citizens without satisfying the probable cause requirements of the Fourth Amendment."

Finally, two provisions of the Patriot Act are ruled unconstitutional by a judge because they allow search warrants to be issued without a showing of probable cause, finally the fourth amendment is upheld...a judge finally rules that two parts of the Patriot Act are unconstitutional...finally.

Life creeps back into the constitution...finally...

George, Hammonton, NJ (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:24 PM)

One question in tonight's debate was whether we should lower the drinking age to 18 to match the age at which people can fight and die in wars. This is always the wrong question. Why shouldn't we, instead, raise the age at which people should be allowed to fight and die? If we raised the age to 30, for example, and then instituted a draft, I wonder how long this war would last.

Anomaly (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:34 PM)

New State charges issued. Popping positive for MJ. Where does it end for Michael Vick

K. Collins, USN (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:47 PM)

#5: It's too bad that our elected officials don't listen to their constituents, or else none of this would be happening. WHAT is it exactly that Bush has on all of these idiots???????????????

#4: Larry Craig? Phhfffttt! Who cares. Guiliani? People need their heads examined if they are even contemplating this guy.

#3: They'll keep him. Why? Because he pisses off the majority of Americans-which somehow a few people on here think is a 'good' thing.:(

#2: ****Away! Who cares? It's entertainment-nothing more or less. As a person who loves baseball and the ENTERTAINMENT value of it all, would someone care to enlighten me as to what baseball does for the greater good of this world. NOTHING-regardless of how many steroids they take or home runs they hit.

wpitw: Sorry, Ann the MAN should be on there every night just because she's a skanky, hateful beatch.

#1: Huh? Wha'???? Debate-schmate. Talk to me a year from now and then I'll let ya know who even ranks-whether or not they've been nominated.

#1:

Jamie, NE Florida (3 and a wake up to Italia) (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:55 PM)

Regarding the Democratic debate at Dartmouth, bless Tim Russert for asking fairly probing questions and actually trying to holding their collective feet to the fire in trying to get ACTUAL answers from them.

I am still extremely uncomfortable with the prospect of Senator Clinton as the Democratic nominee. Her attempts to wiggle out of way too many questions tonight didn't help, and what I'm reading in Carl Bernstein's book isn't helping, either. The idea that I'm getting so far from his book is that we will have, essentially, co-Clinton presidents should Senator Clinton win the election because that's what both Clinton administrations were essentially like even in the midst and worst of Lewinsky-gate. I'm not presenting this supposition as a positive or negative; it's just my interpretation of what I'm reading in WOMAN IN CHARGE. She's got a heck of a vicious streak, too, that isn't very "presidential"; we've got enough of that with the current occupants of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

I was fairly impressed with Senator Biden; Senator Obama needed to be more forceful; Dennis Kucinich was a wonderful trip who has no chance and got the biggest cheer from the college students in the audience when he said he would be in favor of lowering the drinking age to 18.

Having said this, I don't know if I'm cut out for another year plus of this campaign stuff.

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:57 PM)

Once again the courts say Bush is a crook.

nuanced (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:59 PM)

#2: “Kiss My Asterisk”

There is a difference between evidence and innuendo and Mark Mr. Ecko can kiss my asterisk!! Unless the era starting in 1997 and ending last season has an asterisk next to it, Bonds’ 756 nor any of his records should have one!!

Put an asterisk next to McGuire, who took the fifth during his Congressional testimony and was caught with a jar of andro in his locker; put an asterisk next to Sosa, while there has been no evidence that Sosa took steroids, look what happened to him; put an asterisk next to Palmira, a proven cheater; put an asterisk next to Canseco, a proven cheater; put an asterisk next to Giambi, a proven cheater; put an asterisk next to Palmeiro, a proven cheater.

Put an asterisk next to Clemens, older than Bonds yet still throwing smoking pitches, same with Randy Johnson; put an asterisk next to Pudge Rodriguez, who shrunk when testing began; put an asterisk next to Brett Boone, who went from 37 homeruns to nothing after testing began.

Put an asterisk next to all records set before 1947, before blacks were permitted to play; put an asterisk behind any record set during the era when players used those little, tiny gloves, allowing for those inflated batting averages; put an asterisk behind any record set after the pitching mound was lower in 1969; put an asterisk behind any record during the era when the pitching zone was as big as a zip code; put an asterisk behind any player who played in a smaller ballpark.

And we can go on and on ad infinitum!!

The issue with Bonds’ isn’t steroids, it’s Babe Ruth!! Roger Maris' home run record was questioned because he played a few more games in 1961 than Babe Ruth decades earlier. Maris' big crime, of course, wasn't that he got a few more at-bats than the Babe when he hit 61 home runs, he had taken the record of a national icon. So Maris got his asterisk, Ruth remained the beloved Babe, and baseball went on its merry way.

An asterisk could be placed next to any record if someone wants it there!! Mark Ecko, along with the majority of sports writers, needs to get over themselves!!

Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:12 PM)

Robert Gates seems an honorable man. He seems legitimately concerned for the troops -- not necessarily for the war.

He did not want the DOD job. He really enjoyed his tenure as head of Texas A&M University and really hated to leave. But when the President (and probably his dad...to whom I assume he's closer) calls, what can you going to do?

Maybe if he gets frustrated with the politics enough he'll head back to College Station since they haven't permanently filled his vacancy yet. I'm sure he'd be much happier there.

Houstonian, Texas (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:15 PM)

#4: After Senator-Larry-Pants-Up-Or-Down-Craig's announcement today, I can't help but think of former Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell!!

What's wrong Mitch, “up or down" not working for you anymore? So sorry!! The GOP slimes who coined and used "up or down" at nausea should appreciate Craig, I do!! - How ironic!! LOL!!

PEACE!!

Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:38 PM)

Hillary didn't lose, so she won? Pretty pathetic that our political analyses has degenerated to this point.
She, Edwards and Biden certainly did well, while Obama and Richardson did not. Kucinich and Gravel might also have done well if not practically ignored by Russert. He was downright rude to Gravel. I was disgusted.

Who won? No one. None of the candidates, and not the American people.

R. NorCal (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:02 AM)

Appropos of nothing --- Talked with my son who is in Iraq. New orders came down from the Commander of Multinational Forces in Iraq. The troops can't cuss in Iraq. True -- No profanity.

Texashogfan (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:13 AM)

How painfully delightful to see the Decider trying to make the childrens love him. "I'll give you a quarter if you'll hug me---- If you don't, I'll get Darth Cheney to come visit."

Texashogfan (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:21 AM)

Well there you have it folks......Hillary, Obama and Edwards all say the US will be in Iraq until at least 2013 IF they are elected. WOW!

Donny Long, Seattle (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:47 AM)

"War may be sell" but I'm not buying and neither is about 80% of the US.

The 'war' was over with Mission Accomplished. We're not buying the surge or the occupation either.

Support the troops, bring them home alive. Give diplomacy a chance.

Carol, Long Valley NJ (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:47 AM)

Are judges getting it now..maybe. Are people who can make a difference starting to see what is needed to put the much needed brakes on this dangerous Administration. We need more judges willing to rule against these provisions to the Patriot Act, which is a joke anyway. Small steps, but important ones to preserve our freedoms.

Laura in Los Angeles (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:58 AM)

Oddball..that guy finding human appendages in his smoker..don't know what to say about this..carne asada anyone..yuck.

wpitw..please let's grant Coultergeist what she wants a fatwa..like the one Rushdie got..does she know it's meaning..has many..she's a dumb b**ch either way.

bpitw..Coach Doug Sauter biting the ear of a horse to stop a stampede..it works to disipline dogs too. True story..I'll make it short. My 6 wk old Pomeranian, many years ago, while trying to nuzzle with her, bit me on the lip. Bit me again, I bit her ear..she yelped..lived to be 13 yrs old..never, ever bit me again while trying to nuzzle her.

Condi has definitely been spending too much time with President Stupid.

and President Stupid "Teach your childrens well"..it might have been edited out of the written transcript, but it will make it on David Letterman's Great Moments in Presidental Speeches and be all over YouTube.

Laura in Los Angeles (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:28 AM)

Look, I don't like O'Reilly, but his comments really do have to be seen in context.

If O'Reilly is addressing a bunch of dyed-in-the-wool racists (and my daddy watches him--so there's one), then his comments may well be a ventriloquizing of their viewpoints. The audience might well think that a black-run business with mostly black patrons would be an unpleasant place with a bunch of people shouting, "M.F.'er, where's my tea?"

O'Reilly, the generous soul, was telling his viewers that their assumptions were wrong. Yes, in doing so and ventriloquizing their views, he was apparently taking the racism on himself. He was also tacitly admitting that he assumes that a substantial number of his viewers would be surprised that a black-run establishment could be lovely.

But, we really don't know to what degree he was himself surprised because we don't know to what degree he was satirizing the views of his audience and to what degree he was identifying with the audience's views and sharing surprise of his own.

I agree with the gentleman who was interviewed--we can't really crawl into O'Reilly's mind, but as a political pundit, he really should be aware enough of how he sounds that he should have known better to say what he did, even if it was satiric ventriloquizing.

Amy, Oklahoma (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 2:56 AM)

#1.It's the time for Mass Debates, when the Politicians start to play with themselves in fromt of us, as they assume we're voyeurs. #2. We need an Asterisk Hall of Fame. #3. Trouble is his middle...no, wait...that's A**hole. #4. Rest Rooms and Rejections. Republicans getting Ready for 08. #5. Hasn't that Dumb Judge read the "New, Revised Constitution"? and...Only Dubya gets to use the "Scary Numeric" from now on.

Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 7:41 AM)

It is getting hysterical watching the republicans lie and degrade the democrats. The accuse the democrats of unfairly criticizing Patreus, when those unpatriotic swift boat liars falsly accused the recipient of 2 purple hearts. Lets face it. The entire country now sees the devisive nature of those neocons. All the problems that exist today, the prejudice, the hatred, the devisiveness are the responsibilities of the neocans. They're in charge and just like they said when Clintin was president, all the countries ills stop at the White House. That rule applies to them as well.

Mark, Birdsboro, PA (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:00 AM)

Bill-O is a flay out racist to everyone else except himself. His views are what is wrong with this country. He's a typical elitist who is anything but Christian yet he represents a party that prides themselves in their Christianity. Bill-O needs to read a book, the entire book. It's called a bible. He better do it soon before they bury him in an asbestose suit.

Jesse, Philadelphia, PA (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:05 AM)

I guess I'm a water carrier...
While I'm not an O'Reilly fan, the way he is being portrayed in this "racist" scandel is ridiculous. I am generally a conservative Republican who tries to see the truth and I watch Fox and CNN and MSNBC, etc. all though they all are biased. I'll admit that he could have chosen a better choice of words to make his point but I think his point is obvious and was not "racist" and it seems Sharpton and Juan Williams agree, but I guess Juan doesn't count since he is a contributor to "fixed noise." Right Keith??? Chalk this one up to another example of the right vs. left divide in the media, both spin, both are arrogant and both "are never wrong." That goes for O'Reilly AND Keith Olbermann

Eric, Kingsport, TN (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:26 AM)

The fixation that Olbermann has with O'Reilly is scary. There's a fine line between love and hate and a fine line between the sane and insane. Olbermann is so consumed by Bill that he is subconsciously allowing O'Reilly to control him. Bill has Keith walking a tightrope, only Olbermann doesn't know it.

Full Moon (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:33 AM)

There is no "WAR" in Iraq, there is only an "OCCUPATION" of Iraq, and Iraq is fighting it's own civil war. We can't allow '43' to continue to frame the debate.

It has been 1,608 days since the war was ended and 'Mission Accomplished' was declared on 5/3/2003.
Most Americans and most Iraqis are tired of our "occupation" of their "sovereign nation. It's time to leave.

There are 481 days until the end of this regime on 1/20/2009
There are 404 days until election day -- 11/4/2008

And we are counting down.

Carol, Long Valley NJ (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:40 AM)

Does Coulter even know what a 'fatwa' is? Does she understand that it would mean that death is lurking around every corner? Does she think that her 'martyrdom' would help the conservative cause?

If Congress really wanted to condemn free speech it didn't have to look further than Rush, Billo and Ann. The hate filled rhetoric constantly spewing forth from their lips makes me embarrassed as a fellow Christian. Somehow they missed the part of the new Testament about 'Love thy Neighbor' and 'Do unto others'.

Carol, Long Valley NJ (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:48 AM)

190 Billion could certainly shore up SCHIP for children for quite a while couldn't it? It could also hire quite a few coal mine inspectors to correct the "spot inspection" debacle as revealed from the miners' deaths in the very recent past.

Sherri, Charleston WV (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 10:45 AM)

#3 , wishful thinking Keithie. Al Sharpton defended him last night . Could this be another bit of jealousy ? You need to get over Mr O'Reilly and take of your own pitiful show before in goes in the tank. Mr Schuster apologized for his F***up, maybe you should do the same !

Larry Charleston, SC (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:00 AM)

I watched the debates last night -- there was no real blood letting, but Gravel (gotta love him) got in the best moment of the night.

Russert asked Gravel to educate the others on how to get something passed through an obstructionist minority in the Senate which needs 60 votes to close debate and 67 votes to override the inevitable veto.

His advice was as follows: Force a vote every day -- first to close debate, and once that's done, to pass the law. Make the Republicans vote against it every day, and every day hold a news conference and announce that the "Republicans won't end the occupation and that they don't support the troops".

He estimated, based on his experience, that it would take about 30 daily 'votes' to get it passed in the Senate and then about 45 daily 'votes' to override the veto.

His main point was that you cannot back down. Make the Republicans vote for this useless occupation on a daily basis, and then call them on it on a daily basis.

It was nice to hear on national TV what a lot of us bloggers have been saying for months.

There are 481 days until the end of this regime on 1/20/2009
There are 404 days until election day -- 11/4/2008

And we are counting down.

Carol, Long Valley NJ (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:20 AM)

Thank God, No Brittany story today! Please Keith NO MORE BRITTANY!

Colvin Atch (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:43 AM)

I'm just amazed at my friends and their love affair with Bill O'Reilly. I ask them, "Have you ever really listened to exactly what he says?" They don't. I tell them they need a clue, because they do. They believe every little word he says. I tell them to open their minds and listen outside the box. They might be surprised!! But then again, my age fits the Keith Olbermann demographic (and most desired, I might add), and my friend fits into Bill-O's (like my in-laws who think O'Reilly's a deity too!).

Speaking of my in-laws, the die-hard Bush/Cheney supporters they are have finally started to waiver in their support of the Dynamic Duo!!! There's hope after all. Keep spreading the good word Keith! It is having an affect.

Oh yeah, Go Red Sox!!!

Gigi Hudson, MA (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:50 AM)

John Warner will go over to the White House like he did the first time,then change his vote like the second time to help the troops,introduce a new bill after getting laid whoops I meant paid over at the Whore House whoops I meant White House.My tourettes syndrome is acting up lying bastards they "Killed Kenny" from South Park old paranoid one.Lot more are going to die and to because they will put money in.If the don't put money in he has no money to veto and people don't die with bombs and bullets we don't have money for.I don't quite get what the mission is this week "Major Major"?Can someone explain it to me?Truthfully!You want to stop this in the tracks you Tax Big Oil Profits and Imports with no passing of the tax on at the pump to the consumer as a condition to pay for it.You use the money to start paying down the deficit he created and take care of those Medicaid kids.Social Security is in trouble because they borrowed/stole whoops there it goes again and still do
and never pay that TAX back when they borrow from the fund.It's all smoke and mirrors and they call this "no new taxes."Yep that no health care,no benefits,10 dollar an hour let me kiss your ass sir job or I'll out source is your inheritance for what your parents of the greatest generation and elders fought for,no us seniors they want to put away with a genocide of the elderly that has been going on for awhile now by denial of certain health benefits to us and the poor.Keep on Trucking Congress play that tune Jerry Garcia in the Sky, or was it the rhyme word with trucking Mr. Vitter,Dubya,Craig,Cheney.
Yep got us where you want us behind the TV set and a couple of cheap Rove ads.You down sized the American Brain with no child left behind and they like little Nazi's believe everything the TV says in those political ads,right Karl,Rover that is.You sly fox,you mass debater,you manipulator,you couch poetater,what a guy.What a guy.A country run by idiots and accessories to to having peoples kids killed and the destruction of the Constitution by votes and a leader who dosen't know and probably can't read it.
We are really rocking now Jesse!My manic depression/bipolar is acting up I go to go see the doc.I hope it's approved and the meds too.
Jesse Ventura for President/whoops Jesse James?/nope not Jackson/ahh that's the one!
Keith Olberman for President and Allison Stewart for V.P. 'thats the ticket'

B.A. Buddusky (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:13 PM)

all this could have been avoided...??
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=484162&in_page_id=1811#StartComments

bob (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:57 PM)

Here's one question I'd like to see asked of all the candidates.
If elected will you be willing to have the United States join the International Court of Justice?
If not why not?

Bill Rochester NY (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:59 PM)

Billy O is a great big arrogant ass. Just how come his ratings are about 20 or 30 times Countdown’s? It just doesn’t make sense, Keith is such a super duper genius how come Billy O mops the floor with him?

True Liberal (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:03 PM)

2nd attempt to post - cross your fingers!

Keith, Keith, Keith, Keith, KEITH!! How could you in your segway to the #3 story link "He Who Shall Not Be Named" to NAKED LUNCH - the classic William S. Burroughs novel about drug abuse??! Maybe you think Mr. Falafel is on drugs? I'm probably the only one here who even made the association, but my "Beat" literature antenae are always on high alert. Burroughs would consider BillO a cretin of the highest order, and I can hear a distant whirring of him spinning in his grave; yes, he is actually buried in the Burroughs family plot at Bellafontaine Cemetery in St. Louis. It's close enough that I go pay my respects once a year or so.
Other comments on other subjects to come soon...

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:16 PM)

"Billy O is a great big arrogant ass. Just how come his ratings are about 20 or 30 times Countdown’s? It just doesn’t make sense, Keith is such a super duper genius how come Billy O mops the floor with him?"

Because, alas, the great majority of our fellow (TV watching) Amurricans are morons.

Flipkid, Blue State (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:21 PM)

Bil, I can answer that one. The answer is NO. Too many liberals would have to appear before them !

Larry Charleston, SC (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:26 PM)

Larry (11:00 AM Post): Come on Larry. If it were anything else Sharpton might have said or done you would be in here calling him a flaming ignorant liberal. But now that Sharpton did not chastise O'Reilly for O'Reilly's racist comments you are using Sharpton like he is one of the country's most admired spokepersons in order to defend O'Reilly. Frankly, Sharpton is an opportunist and I have always wondered who elected him spokesperson for black Americans. Seems to me this has been a self-appointed position that Sharpton likes to claim. O'Reilly can spin it any way he wants. But his comments came from his belief that blacks could not operate restuarants in the same upstanding and acceptable manner that O'Reilly feels they should be run, whatever that is. O'Reilly has racists beliefs in that pin head and pin heart of his and you know it.

C A, Tuscaloosa, AL (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:27 PM)

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Countdown Wednesday: War Is Sell

Posted: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:59 PM by Countdown
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