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Special Comment Tonight

Posted: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:28 PM by Countdown
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More in little bit, but we wanted to give you all a heads up that tonight Keith will deliver a special comment on a story we did on Friday that continues to percolate on the eve of the Mukasey hearings.  We'll have an excerpt for you soon.

****Update, click continued for excerpt******

On Daviel Levin, the former U.S. Acting Assistant Attorney General, who was himself waterboarded to determine whether or not the act constituted torture and was therefore counter to the claims of the Bush Admininstration that it was not.

Water-boarding, he said, is torture.

Legally, it is torture . 

Practically, it is torture

Ethically, it is torture . 

And he wrote it down.

Wrote it down somewhere, where it could be contrasted with the words of this country's 43rd President: "The United States of America does not torture."

Made you into a liar, Mr. Bush.

Made you into, if anybody had the guts to pursue it, a criminal.

A whole lot more tonigh at 8pm ET...hope you can join us.

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ALL RIGHT!!! Go Baby, GO!!
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! About time hope you wear light blue shirt and dark blue tie.

Can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can anyone tell me the difference between Gonzo and Mukasey.  I don't care about his past record - he's clearly flip-flopped onto the dark side now.
Let 'er rip, Keith!
David Molinero (Sent Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:42 PM)

Here's a hypothetical to test your belief in torture.

You're on a walk to your mail-box to pick up your collection of random bills, junk mail, and correspondence from friends abroad.  As you sift through it, a black van pulls right up beside you and you're yanked inside, a gag and black hood shoved onto you.

The hood is pulled back and you find yourself in a cell with perhaps two or three people who ask you very pointed questions about your group's plans to blow up a building.  These people aren't interested in listening to you profess your innocence.  They want you to say what they want to hear, since innocence is just a pesky side-note these days.  You tell them you know nothing, but what they hear is, "I'm not telling you anything!"

They 'interrogate' you vigorously, which includes repeated water-boarding over several weeks time.  Eventually, you're released without apology or compensation for your false imprisonment, denial of counsel, complete shut-out from the outside world, and flat-out kidnapping.

Is this what you want?
I'll have my DVD ready so I can watch it over and over!! You're the best Keith!! GO GET 'EM, especially Feinstein!!

PEACE!!
Unnamed sources claim that photographs of the original Constitution being 'Waterboarded', are soon to be posted, along with a pic of Gilbert Stuart's 'Vaughan Portrait' of George Washington, with Duct Tape over his eyes, nose and mouth. The same sources claim it was done under the supervision of the Attorney Generals' Office.
Go Keith!

Hope you "wonder out loud" why Dianne Feinstein, a "democrat" from a blue state, seems to vote more often with the republicans than her own party! (I single her out because I'm ashamed to call her my senator.) How about inviting her to justify her vote for torture on Countdown? She's certainly got some 'splainin' to do. Dare ya, DiFi! Go get her, Keith!
Oh goody.  Another "Special Comment".  I guess Keith is angry at Michael Mukasey because of his stance on water boarding.  Keith, are you willing to say that saving American lives from a terrorist attack is not worth dunking a terrorist in water?  Does the well being of Al Qaeda matter more to you then the well being of Americans?  
I hope you will inform us on how Denis Kucinich did with his bill to impeach Dick 'dick' Cheney did today.  Also, if anyone is interested in the top 25 stories that were censored by MSM, go to C&L.
Jeesh, this “torture” argument can get nowhere, heck leftist liberal loony losers consider the tickling of one’s feet torture – the concept has become too subjective.  The question is then the degree of “torture” that we would deem acceptable.  Obviously there is a spectrum ranging from tickling of feet, to waterboarding to amputation of appendages..  Somewhere along the spectrum there is a point where permanent physical damage is done, and that is where I would draw the line.  Waterboarding - the controlled simulated drowning of a person - done correctly does not result in permanent physical damage and should be acceptable in occasions where the information obtained could save lives.  Obviously it shouldn’t be done arbitrarily, and should only be done by knowledgeable experienced people with a doctor present.
Not directly "on topic" with tonight's "Special Comment" but having to do with civic duty, tomorrow is Election Day. So, if you've got important issues going on in your corner of the universe, go out and vote! Indianapolis is electing a mayor tomorrow. Of the 2 candidates who have a snowball's chance in Hades, one is the current mayor who made rich people richer, my property taxes doubled during his tenure but found the funds for the new Colts stadium, anyway (they better win the stinkin' SuperBowl for the next 25 years straight for all the tax $$$ going into that sucker!), and the other is a retired Marine who is basically touting that as his only qualification. Guess I'll vote for the one who doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hades. Anyway, GO VOTE!!

Here endeth the civics lesson...
Nice.  More demogoguery from the fringe left through their spokesperson, Keith Olbermann.

I am looking forward to more Special Comments demanding impeachment be pursued because Olbermann's demands for Bush's/Cheney's resignation were obviously ineffective.

It is now the time for Olbermann to make good on his promise to hold the Democratic Party leadership accountable and the next time he has Mrs. Clinton for an interview, he better stop the softballs and ask why she has not supported Bush/Cheney criminal investigation, impeachment and removal from office.  Calling Bush a criminal is getting really old.  Olbermann should be investigating the allegations and demand the democrats bring Bush/Cheney to justice.

Or maybe it is like I really believe.  Olbermann's ratings have been declining lately and he needs to fire up the fringe that makes up his core audience.  Like the scary lexus of politics and terror, I think there is a nexus of SPECIAL COMMENTS AND RATINGS.
What are the instances that this interrogation technique was used.  Was it KSM.  Was it ever used?  So let me get this straight.  If we got valuable information from the creep that was the mastermind behind killing 3,000 innocent americans, and it save innocent american lives, then good.  Would Mr. Olbermann rather that we just kill Khalid instead.  It has never been confirmed nor proved that this method was used any other place but 1 or 2 of the most despicable terrorists on the face of the earth.  

I am sorry, we are making a mountain out of a molehill here.  Maybe Keitho can give his special comment on Al Jazeera for crying out loud. Al Queda has no rights, they are not governed under any specific conventions, and they all need to be destroyed.  We can not wait to see how they feel, we cannot give them tea and crumpets.  

Sorry folks, this infuriates me, it seems that we care more about terrorists rights than protecting our citizens.  I know I am going to hear that Bush is a war criminal, and we violated geneva conventions, but I don't care.  You cannot treat these evil, despicable creeps like a normal criminal.  THis is not widespread use, if any at all, just under extreme circumstances
I hope you will inform us on how Denis Kucinich did with his bill to impeach Dick 'dick' Cheney did today.  Also, if anyone is interested in the top 25 stories that were censored by MSM, go to C&L.
I hope you will inform us on how Denis Kucinich did with his bill to impeach Dick 'dick' Cheney did today.  Also, if anyone is interested in the top 25 stories that were censored by MSM, go to C&L.
Scott...so we can violate the constitution if we do it with your previously set out rules?  OH, and it's not just "looney leftys" that consider waterboarding torture.  unfortunately, Neopets like yourself consider anyone not in your immediate corner "lefty looneys", even though most others would call them...rational.
Tie Rudy to his Neocon policies. MSNBC is taking a pass on Rudy's war views. FOX is more straight forward on where Dems and Repubs stand on the Iraq occupation and aggressive foreign policies. MSNBC keeps Rudy in the shallow end with his wives and religion. Grownups in the campaign should get the hard questions, all sides, especially on Hardball.
Jesus wasn't a fascist

The Dennis Kucinich "impeach Dick 'dick' Cheney" bill was covered in the Washington Post today, which was MSM last time I checked.


scott henderson nv (Sent Monday, November 05, 2007 3:47 PM)

That was mighty magnanimous of you to allow a doctor to be present -- in case resuscitation was required.  


There is no 'gray' area for torture -- it's wrong under all circumstances, and no neo con 'straw man' argument can change that.  
--"Unnamed sources claim that photographs of the original Constitution being 'Waterboarded', are soon to be posted, along with a pic of Gilbert Stuart's 'Vaughan Portrait' of George Washington, with Duct Tape over his eyes, nose and mouth. The same sources claim it was done under the supervision of the Attorney Generals' Office.
Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa (Sent Monday, November 05, 2007 3:19 PM)"--

Sorry, Steve.  It's been classified and moved to a man-sized safe in Darth Veeper's office so they can continue to pretend that we still have a Constitution.  

We need someone to bring freedom and democracy to OUR country.

Let's try a little water boarding on our pro-Mukasey Senators then let them tell us if it's torture.  Begin with Lieberman.
my letter to Schummer:

Dear Senator Schumer,

So...your decision to vote for Mr. Mukasey came after a private meeting.

This reminds me of an incident some years ago when the Republicans were being pressed on an issue of the Senate overseeing covert operations.  Someone complained that whatever was happening, was happening without the American people being aware of it.  Richard Shelby replied that the American people did not need to worry because they did have oversight, since he was aware of what was going on.

That was it.  "Trust me."

Well, trust me, Senator.  We don't.

I don't suggest that you are lying or cutting secret deals, just that we cannot trust you, when it comes time to take a stand, to understand and put above all  else the interests of the American people as defined in their Constitution.

You're not like us.  We don't have dinner with judges and hash things out.  We just know that this guy of yours refuses to say that waterboarding is torture and even has the unbelievable gall to say that he doesn't know what waterboarding is, and therefore he must not be allowed to become Attorney General of the United States, no matter how difficult it may be to reject him.

Senator Schumer, when you look at those approval ratings for Congress, do you think they're only directed at the Republicans?

Trust me, they're not.



Kevin, NJ (3:55 PM Post) I don't think the fundemental problem here is whether water boarding should be considered torture or not. I think the problem goes much deeper and the water boarding issue is just one of many as of late that if considered by themselves would not be mountains but as you said mole hills. I truly think the underlying and larger issue here is the lack of trust this administration has created with many Americans. You may agree or disagree that is fine, but anything this administration says, did, or does in the future is not going to be supported by a large number of Americans. Why, because agree or not, this administration has damaged its creditability. You don't have to take my word for that. Just review the Presidents poll numbers. And I would bet, given a more honest and forthcoming administration that has maintains its creditability, more Americans would support such techniques if required to save American lives in the future. Like I said, the problem is not necessarily water boarding or Mukasey. The problem and the issue is GWB, this administration and their loss of creditability. And for those who support such techniques, if you think about it, GWB has been your worst enemy in regards many Americans now making what you refer to as mountains out of a mole hills.
I'd like to make one thing very, very clear:  I am against torture not to spare the murderers in Al Qaeda (who should light themselves on fire and fall down a flight of stairs for all I care).  I am against the torture of potentially innocent people.  I'd like to think that if I, or someone I know, is at the wrong place at the wrong time, we wouldn't be kidnapped and tortured for only being guilty by circumstance.

And if we take the small step to accept waterboarding, what's going to stop us from sliding down the slippery slope?  Malnutrition, sleep deprivation, 'simulated' suffocation, dismemberment, mutilation, electrocution...where does it end?

Will we let an Inquisition hold people in fear?  Will the motto of the justice system change to, "A plea of innocence is guilty of wasting my time." What are we willing to do to innocent people so that this nation remains 'safe?'
As to David Molinero's posting, here is a slightly different take on the torture issue. I sincerely hope that this question is asked of the Republican nominee for President. His response will be enlightening.

Let us assume our intelligence agencies uncover the possibility of a major terrorist attack on NYC. In custody is a person who has knowledge of and is involved in the planning of this soon to be executed attack. The decision is made to torture this person, after he refuses to cooperate. Waterboarding, sodomy, whatever you can think of is inflicted, as a result of you the President authorizing this torture. The terrorist finally buckles and gives precise leads again conforming that NYC is the target of the attack and those leads potentially allow the attack to stop. While investigating those leads provided by this terrorist, who provided this information while undergoing torture, the terrorist attack goes off, in Los Angeles, not NYC. The information provided under torture was false, and it led law enforcement down the exactly wrong path. Would you as President feel personally responsible to the citizens of Los Angeles, because your decision to use torture on this suspect prevented you from uncovering exactly where it was actually happening, and led to the attack on Los Angeles?
I'm with Pam..my DVD is going during Countdown anyway. Can't wait for tonights Special Comment..Go Keith! Give 'em hell Harry!
Sibel Edmonds is willing to tell all about the corruption

she discovered, why haven't any of the large news casts picked this up? Parts of our Government claim that she is credible. Are all the networks in fear of the Feds?
Here is her promise:
"Here's my promise to the American Public: If anyone of the

major networks --- ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, FOX ---

promise to air the entire segment, without editing, I

promise to tell them everything that I know"
Sue..2:59 PM..the only difference between Gonzo and Mukasey is one is younger then the other..and that is all.
Why is it that people who want the United States Government to adhere to the Constitution, to be Better Than the many dictators, autocrats and demagogues running other world governments, who wish for America to continue to be a symbol of a Just Democracy/Republic.. Why is it that we have become the "Loony Left, commie, pinko, leftists, so on and so forth?

I am so sad for all of us, and would really like to know why one set of Americans can spew such venomous hatred towards another group, simply because of how we "Liberals" view the concept of Right and Wrong. I think it is totally abhorent for the "Right Wing" to ignore serious issues facing America, such as the current conflict in Iraq, thousands of dead and wounded soldiers, Children without health insurance, people losing their homes in record numbers, Americans working harder/longer than ever for less pay, etc.; How can the Right Wingers ignore these issues in order to focus on apologies being necessary for the perceived slander of public figures!?

I am stunned that these issues are given attention, with all the disaster and calamity that surrounds us. If we elect another repugnican "smoke and mirrors" partisan hack to the office of President, we deserve what we get.
Scott, Nevada: Why don't we give you a round or twenty on that ol' waterboard, and then you can tell us if it is torture, or not. We'll make sure to have some sort of medical personnel available, or maybe just someone with some experience in just how far this particular "extreme interrogation" can be taken.

    Scott, you must truly be one special idiot, to allow something like this to take place in our country, or by representatives of our country. I suppose it's ok for this method to be used on U.S. soldiers/diplomats/citizens, because I can guarantee that's what will happen.
    Scott, I can't spell loser with large enough letters to reflect your juvenile, unthought-out opinion on this subject.
    Go back to your crib.........
Kevin, NJ:

After reading my 4:33 PM Post I thought cripe! Make yourself clear CA. Sorry, but I was being interupted when I was writing that reply. My point is this. Much of what this administration argues now will not be accepted simply because they lack creditability. Ask most people that you come into contact with in your community. How many will say they truly trust GWB? That is the problem, not the water boarding issue on its own merit. Ask people if they would forgive or understand if it were found that George Washington had to water board a few Tories to get information that would save the lives of Americans during the revolution. I think you get my drift.    
"Waterboarding - the controlled simulated drowning of a person - done correctly does not result in permanent physical damage and should be acceptable in occasions where the information obtained could save lives. Obviously it shouldn’t be done arbitrarily, and should only be done by knowledgeable experienced people with a doctor present."

First, small scott, you should always cite your source when you cut & paste, makes it more legal.  Second, if waterboarding is not torture, then why did the U.S. participate in the prosecution of Japanese who used it on Allied troops following WWII; why have we convicted law enforcement officers in THIS country for waterboarding as recently as 1983?  And, third, small scott, torture is NOT an effective means of interrogation . . . it has been PROVEN.  

I've got an idea, since you don't believe that waterboarding is torture, small scott . . . you volunteer to show the world, which believes that it is, that it's not.  You go let them waterboard you . . . yeah, that's the ticket . . . then you report back to us, okay?
Great new reality show idea, drop Olbermann and all his followers in the middle of any country that is not run by a democracy.  Would love to see what happens to him the second they opens their mouths about the leadership of that country.  Olbermann should thank God everyday he lives in this great country, this country that allows him to be as vile an ungrateful as he wants to be.  He should thank God every day we have brave men and women doing the difficult job of defending his right to be vile and ungrateful too.
Alright, here's a challenge to the Far Right people who post here.

Submit a link (at least one) from a news article or agency that irrefutably proves Hillary Clinton started MoveOn.org.  

As they say in the vernacular of the message boards...*ahem*

PICS OR IT NEVER HAPPENED.

So, please post proof of your claims or remain at 0 credibility.
Pam 3:15,The email I posted here to Senator Schummer was basically the same email I wrote to our disgraceful Senator Feinstein not representing us in the state of California at all. She just didnt say after a private meeting.

On the Other blog on this subject I listed both their email addresses.

Keith please go after Feinstein too.  
I too will be recording this and watching it over and over.
Keith's special commnets help keep me sane in this insanity we call the United Staes government.
Go for it Keith give em hell,torture them with the words of truth.
Maybe Olbermann should try to make a better apology then "It's Giulaini's fault that I lied about what he said" non-apology.
Why is the news not reporting on all the war protest around the country?   AND What is Carl Rove doing? The silence on him is deafening. Someone needs to keep an eye on him. He is the most dangerous man in America!!!!
Please don't have Musto on your show any more.
Countdown is far too important for silliness as that.
I notice one thing that Republican apologists for waterboarding have in common. None of them are willing to have it done on them so they can say "It wasn't that bad."
when are the american people wake and say enough is enough,we need for Pres.BUSH to resign and take VP DICK CHENEY with him WAKE UP AMERICA
GO Get "em KO! I'm an independent voter and I agree with everything LT in MD said. Do I have a label too?

Why is it that people who want the United States Government to adhere to the Constitution, to be Better Than the many dictators, autocrats and demagogues running other world governments, who wish for America to continue to be a symbol of a Just Democracy/Republic.. Why is it that we have become the "Loony Left, commie, pinko, leftists, so on and so forth?

I am so sad for all of us, and would really like to know why one set of Americans can spew such venomous hatred towards another group, simply because of how we "Liberals" view the concept of Right and Wrong. I think it is totally abhorent for the "Right Wing" to ignore serious issues facing America, such as the current conflict in Iraq, thousands of dead and wounded soldiers, Children without health insurance, people losing their homes in record numbers, Americans working harder/longer than ever for less pay, etc.; How can the Right Wingers ignore these issues in order to focus on apologies being necessary for the perceived slander of public figures!?

I am stunned that these issues are given attention, with all the disaster and calamity that surrounds us. If we elect another repugnican "smoke and mirrors" partisan hack to the office of President, we deserve what we get.
Can we stop using the euphemism "waterboarding" which sounds like a day at the beach and use the term "simulated drowning"? It is what it is!
LT. It's the Truth that's being Waterboarded. The Neocons demand equal time and they use that time to talk about one issue. Sometimes it's Flag Burning, sometimes its Gay Marraige, and sometimes it's Dinosaurs. What it never is, is Sick Kids, Poor People, the Homeless, etc. Why? Because they either don't exist, or it is all their fault.  
Why is it that people who want the United States Government to adhere to the Constitution, to be Better Than the many dictators, autocrats and demagogues running other world governments, who wish for America to continue to be a symbol of a Just Democracy/Republic. Why is it that we have become the "Loony Left, commie, pinko, leftists, so on and so forth?    LT in MD (Sent Monday, November 05, 2007 4:43 PM)

LT – My sentiments exactly.  Why, indeed?  

But my philosophy?  Wear it proudly and, when appropriate, dish it back.  Be mad as hades, and don't take it any more.  But take the moral high road whenever possible, and hold the moral high ground once you achieve it.  Confront the ad hominem attacks and the pejoratives for what they are.  A little well-placed irony can go a very long way.  

Names can never hurt us if we don’t let them hurt us.  It's time to stop letting them hurt us.
Clinton was an inconsequential president, except for one major issue: terrorism. By treating it as a law enforcement issue, he essentially washed his hands of it and left it to the Justice Department to track down terrorists, a task for which the department was not prepared. As a result, Osama and his cohorts had free rein to kill Americans all over the world, until finally the country woke up to the war we were in on September 11, 2001. Clinton knew Osama was a threat, yet other than bombing empty buildings and deserted training camps, he did nothing. That would be difficult, you see, a distraction from his important work of pardoning rich fugitives and getting Hillary elected to the Senate.
Think Clinton was responsible for the booming economy of the 1990s? Nope - the recover was underway before he even was elected. Think he erased the deficit? Wrong - gushing tax revenues did that, and a Republican Congress that imposed a slim veneer of fiscal discipline. Think he was serious about "reforming welfare as we know it?" Think again - he signed that bill only because he thought it was necessary for his reelection, and then he vowed to supporters that he'd fix it, though he never did. Think he was an innocent victim of a vast right-wing conspiracy? Hah - he brought all his troubles on himself and has no one else to blame. Think he was tough on crime? Hardly - he nominated a clueless Janet Reno attorney general, the Queen of the Bunny Planet. Think he helped bring peace to the Middle East? Not even close - he strengthened Arafat, whose refusal to accept generous concessions from Israel led to the current bloodshed. Think he cared about the people of Africa? Not so fast - he not only did nothing to stop the genocide in Rwanda, his administration actively opposed any UN effort to send more troops there
Krista Swisher, thanx for the civics lesson.  Tomorrow is election day where I live too.  I'd practically forgotten, but I won't be heading to the polls, cuz I mailed my ballot in last week.
I'll say it...conservatives can be hypocrites but at least they will admit it. I think that's the one thing that separates the left from the right sometimes. The left's smugness would never allow them to admit such a frailty
Hey Keith, You may wanna address the 'spineless' and 'gutless' Democrats latest ploy to give Bush whatever he wants in WAR funding in Iraq.  "Democrats are quietly preparing to give Bush-Cheney enough spending flexibility to keep the war going regardless of those that put them into power!"  This Congress and their leaders are totally worthless!
I can hardly wait to hear your words of truth once again, Mr. Olbermann
Responding to the question "Can anyone tell me the difference between Gonzo and Mukasey?":  For starters, Mukasey--at least in the past--had exhibited competance in the law; that is something that simply was beyond Gonzo.  Up until now, the administration has been putting us in a double bind by selecting only folks who adhere to their ideological agenda but who lack the basic competence to perform in the job.  At least Mukasey should not take embarrasing legal [as opposed to moral] positions on behalf of the US.  As to his stance on waterboarding, what else did we expect from a Bush appointee?  Who would have figured 7 years ago that John Ashcroft would turn out to be the member of the Bush Justice Dep't to do the most to protect the Constitution.


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