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Countdown Monday: Veteran's Day

Posted: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:59 PM by Countdown
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Veteran's Day:  It is the most solemn and ceremonial of remembrances for our fallen dead and surviving soldiers, dating from the time of our first grim venture into international combat in World War One, the beginning of our role as, if not the policemen of the world, then rather its moral force. The ceremonial laying of the wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier at Arlington National Ceremony on Veterans' Day. And where was the President of the United States? In Waco, Texas. Our fifth story on the Countdown: the Commander in Chief who has sent our troops to their deaths on nonsense intelligence throughout a presidency of loopholes, who has described his own grief at the soldiers' suffering so much he has made a brand name out of it, who has exploited every wound as an opportunity to sell his agenda of fear and his politics of hate...He couldn't be bothered to lay the wreath on Veterans' Day. Why does George W. Bush hate the troops?

You Say Dubai, I say HelloThat FEMA news conference last month -- featuring answers from FEMA, to questions from FEMA -- was rightly ripped, even by the head of Homeland Security. So what happens now that the Clinton campaign has acknowledging planting two questions for their candidate at Iowa events?

ODDBALL: A loose roo, the French and German foreign minister sing, and the tallest guy in America is crowned

Ghost FlightsA mind-numbing, tear your hair out story from England tonight. And from about a dozen different angles. You're an airplane passenger? You've been hit by a gas surcharge? You've had to pay through the nose for a seat? Watch this -- and you're gonna wanna punch somebody. You're an aviation safety expert? You're terrified at the ballooning number of planes in the sky, which traffic controllers have to try to keep from plowing into each other?  Watch this -- and you're gonna wanna punch somebody.  You're aware of global warming or just of pollution? You keep hearing the major international carriers claim they're going to reduce emissions? Watch this -- and you're gonna wanna punch somebody. Our third story on the Countdown:  Look! Up in the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! It's a British Airways plane crossing the Atlantic... with nobody on board. From our affiliated British network ITV we bring you the revelations of so-called ghost flights, by correspondent Mark Eddo...With one final warning....watch this -- and you're gonna wanna punch somebody.

Tame Tom:  Tom Bruise... or rather Cruise... leading our number two story, Keeping Tabs. His latest star turn raising questions about whether his star power has been wounded.

WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD: Delay, Huckabee and Limbaugh vie for tonight's top honors.

Fox Gone WildBill O'Reilly's words often require translation. So "culture warrior" turns into "smut peddler"... just as fast as you can say "great video".  And in our number one story on the Countdown, it isn't just Bill-o showing soft-core porn while railing against soft-core porn. It's the entire Fixed Noise establishment. The latest recorded example -- 4:24 P-M Eastern Standard Time, today. And film-maker Robert Greenwald (who will join us)... has documented a telling slice of it in his four-minute video production. "Family Values"... as seen in the Alice-Through-The-Looking-Glass kaleidoscope that is, Fox News.

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#1 -- Hey Countdown -- Is this what Fox calls hard news?

Fair and balanced porn?  Do they have Clive, George, Ewan, and Cruise?  Must check that out.

#2 -- Tom Cruise?  I’m on a delusional roll.  (at least if you believe what you read around here)  Movie review?  Snarky much.  (:

WPitW -- Huckabee -- Fighting theocracy with theocracy?  Good idea, if you think about it.  Bring the troops home and send the theocrats.

Tom Delay -- Angmar asked me to tell you it wasn’t a one-man debate.  OJ was there.  You just couldn’t see him.  That explains why Delay lost.

#3 -- Ghost flights?  Angmar says to tell you this is how THEY get back and forth.  If it speeds up global warming, so much the better.

Oddball -- YOU don’t know what to do with a “roo,” Countdown?  Surprise much.  (:  

Talking to yourself, Bruce?  I thought that was only me.  Weird much.  (:
#4 -- Planted questions in the audience?  Sounds like MY kind of place.  I’m so vain I just might run for president.

#5 -- Great tribute to veterans from true patriots.  Passion much.  (:

Advance cataclysmic forecast?  What’s going to happen to Angmar when I catch up to him.

George Bush brand names?  Baked Beans?  Hill of Beans?  The Musical Fruit?

Shooting the bad guys in a bad neighborhood?  No, that’s Dyn Corp and Blackwater.  THEY know how to live inside their fantasies.
Keith, I used to just love your show...but now it seems to be nothing but a rundown of Fox news.  If I wanted to know what Fox news is doing I would watch it. Today was the final straw when you decried Fox for spending too much time with soft porn, instead of important news like the war in Iraq. It was you who just wasted my time telling me about Fox news!  Thanks but no thanks. I will really miss you, but have search for news somewhere else. My time is more valuable than you seem to think it is.
Good evening, fellow NewHolers. I've got lots to say tonight, so let's get this proverbial show on the road. I'll break this up a bit with "fluff" first then the "newsy" news.

If Craig Crawford sat through 5 hours of political speeches on Saturday night, he doesn't need college credit; he needs and deserves a medal or at least a hearty handshake, a pat on the back, and the warm glow of victory.

The #3 story about British Airways gives a whole new meaning to "ghost riders in the sky"!

You're expecting "the comedian" to fact check?! That activity would almost smack of a news program, and that would be so...uh...what's the word I'm thinking of...oh yes, professional - something of which "the comedian" could never be accused except for maybe being a professional boil on the butt of humanity.

It's no wonder Senator Craig's so confused about his sexual orientation if he's getting his "family values" lessons from FAUX News! I wonder what Mr. Loofah's spank-the-monkey-O'vision hotel bill is when he goes away on business?
Amazing, I thought it was a fluke Friday while watching Countdown when I saw a commercial for Fox News Chicago, but it happened again tonight - 7:30 central time right before Keith stomped on Faux News there was a commercial for the local Fox News. I don't think I've ever seen a commercial for a news show played during another network's news show.. This was on Comcast cable so perhaps MSNBC would be interested in knowing that this is happening.. I go out of my way to make sure I don't get exposed to Fox News, and here are commercials for it being played during my favorite show on TV!!
Just thought someone should know, and I didn't know where else to post this.
Michelle
Anomaly (fan of Ponce de Leon) (Sent Monday, November 12, 2007 5:09 PM)  Hey...I was being sarcastic; I'm not even a Colts' fan really. I just get to listen to more "tales of glory" because of where I live. I'm more of a Bears fan myself.  Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Monday, November 12, 2007 7:35 PM)

Sorry.  I’m sort of numb to sarcasm right now.  But for “tales of glory,” I’d recommend Peyton over Grossman or Griese.  We’ll share Favre if you want.  Always room in the fountain for more Favre fans.  Get it while it lasts.
I passed along thanks and best wishes to veterans over the weekend here, but as Paul Rieckhoff so eloquently said, every day should be Veterans' Day. So to all bloggers here who are veterans and to anyone in any military branch who may be reading this thread, thank you so SO much for your service to our country and the sacrifices you've made in the defense of our freedoms. The idea that ANY VETERAN is being denied one of the freedoms that they've sacrificed so much to defend, namely the freedom of speech and to redress grievances to our government, so GWB could play war video games in Texas with wounded soldiers that Dana Perino is stupid enough to think are the real deal makes my stomach turn. Keith, I begged you yesterday to make GWB the WPITW tonight, but what you said to introduce the segment tonight gave me "Special Comment"esque goose bumps. So, you are so forgiven! Thank you so much.
In the youtube world I found this and since there is no other way to contact you.  I hope your staff will look at this updated version and vidieo of Eve of Destruction.  I also would check out some of the beautiful troop honors to Where have all the flowers gone, blowin in the wind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXAex7-Jh3Q

There is a lot of anger coming out in the videos and songs out there.
As an admiring regular viewer of your program, I hope you will quickly correct the mistaken statement in this evening's program (11/12) that one of every four veterans is homeless. No: it's that one of every four homeless persons is a veteran. That's scandal enough.

Don't mar your excellent reporting with an error that could be seized on by hostile commentators.

Many thanks for your good work.

What I found particularly nauseating about W's appearance at the Center for the Intrepid, aside from the fact that we should not have to be privately funding care facilities for veterans, was this tidbit reported in the LA Times:

"The president visited the military center between parties for the Texas GOP and for Sen. John Cornyn's reelection campaign that were expected to raise $1.3 million.

When the president splits his travel time between official events -- in this case, the tour of the rehabilitation center -- and political events, the government picks up a share of the costs that would otherwise be charged to the beneficiaries of the fundraising."

Full text here:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/iraq/complete/la-na-bush9nov09,1,5375492.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

It wasn't just a photo-op. It was a convenient way to save some GOP campaign dollars.

This is the story that should make you want to punch somebody.
George Bush doesn't hate the troops.  He simply doesn't care about them.  He is too big a coward to expose himself at Arlington, breaking a tradition of countless years.  Bush deserted the Texas Air National Guard after one year (his records have mysteriously disappeared) and he has never seen a day of combat.  He will never go anywhere but a military base where he is completely guarded.  When he addresses "the public" you have to have a ticket to get in and to get that ticket you have to answer a series of questions.  Wrong answers, no ticket.  If you so much as wear an anti-Bush t-shirt you will be arrested and removed from the speech site.  Bush neither knows nor cares what our troops are going through as long as he doesn't have to go through it.  
Anomaly. Biff?..je ne pa lui.
Etienne Tournier Chutes d'eau en Cedre Iowa (Sent Monday, November 12, 2007 7:29 PM)

My apologies, Steve.  
Totally off topic and more than likely totally irrelevant.  If so feel free to tell me get lost you crazy woman:

Awhile back I was watching music programming on RFD TV (which is in negotiations to air Don Imus's new AM show, apparently because he's horsey) and happened to hear a group somewhat improbably called The Cluster Pluckers sing a beautiful song called "Weapon of Prayer."  My mom told me later that she remembers it being sung during WWII, when most families had husbands, fathers, sons etc. away in service.  It occurs to me that this would be a very appropriate song for our current situation, with some minor tweaking of the lyrics.  Especially since we have a president who would rather try to sweet-talk a foreign leader to go against her country's economic interests in Iran than pay proper respect to the dead of all our wars by laying a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknowns.

Anybody else ever heard this song?
#1: I'm glad I sent that link.  Did Countdown discover this story because of that?  I'd like to think so.
Since I've used up all the French I know, plus all my favors with Krista, my contact at the CYA, I'm gonna end my 'Boycottage', and deliver 'The Bottom Five', myself. #1. Why not? In the end, everybody at FOX seems to have a permanent 'Soft On". #2. Don't worry about Tom. All he needs to bounce back, is a remake of "The Trial of Billy Jack". Hey! That Rhymes! #3. It was booked by FOX Execs in London, but they fell asleep watching "Debbie Almost Does Dallas", and missed the flight? #4. Hillary will be Impeached by Republicans in the Senate tomorrow morning? #5. Dubya figured nobody would notice. Plus, twenty four per cent of the Population, would think it was the latest, "Most Honorable Thing He Ever Did!".
Oddball. Bring that loose 'Roo' over here and let him replace the loose 'Scroo' we've got running the country.
Olberman - you and your writes must have been sleeping in your HS history classes. We invaded British North America (Canada) ca 1780, and again in 1812. We invaded Mexico in 1846, Cuba in 1898 (or so) and the Phillipines in 1900. The same year we sent solders to China to help put down the Boxer rebellion. Mexico again in 1916 to try to catch Pancho Villa. So WWI was not our "first grim venture into international combat". You should read more history and talk less!
I'm fairly new to Countdown but is there an obsession with Bill O'Reilly that I don't know about? Like I say i'm pretty late to the game but I have been watching more nightly programs because my work shift actually let's me work the "normal" day shift. Have been watching Hardball and it's very informative. I'm really interested in the Democrats simply because the Republicans don't excite me. I like Obama but to watch Countdown one would assume the nomination is already Hillary's. Now come on Countdown let's be fair about this Demcratic race. Hillarys ahead but that planted question(s?)fiasco was downright "dumb". And please let's forget about Fox News and Bill O'Reilly. All your doing is giving them more publicity. The people that watch you don't watch Fox anyway. Let's concentrate of far more important matters. We have a very,very,important election that is coming up. Dang it we need a change in this country.
When these polls are mentioned about Hillary and her lead, who is being polled?  I only know 1 (one) democrat who would vote for Hillary in the primary here in CA -- only 1.  The rest are for Kucinich or Edwards or Obama.  In a DFA poll she came in 5th behind Kucinich, Gore, Edwards, Obama and Richardson.  So, where are these numbers coming from?  Green screens crowds over there in the midwest or on the east coast?  I really can't figure it out.  She is NOT a winner with the Dems I know!
"Why does George W. Bush hate the troops?"  Mr. Olbermann if you think anyone with half a brain takes u seriously than u are more full of yourself than I imagined.  If u think by venting your sarcasm and hatred of the Bush administration night after night  will somehow endear the less informed elements of society to look upon you as a possible alternative to your nemesis "Bill"---Forget It!! Your off colored remarks and your vile disregard for this countrys success and dramatic achievement leave me feeling ill when I watch you.  I feel however, I must to make sure that I am not wrong in my assessment of your program which is only one step above Jerry Springer in its content and spin on the facts.  Have nice Night Olbermann and dont worry I dont care if you print this or not.  I just got what I needed just writing it.
Keith Olberman vs Bill O'Reilly

Two men enter - one man leave
Anybody else ever heard this song?

Immortal Cougar (Sent Monday, November 12, 2007 10:06 PM)

"Weapon of Prayer" was originally written and recorded by the Louvin Brothers in 1951. It's actually connected with the Korean War, not WWII.
I think we've been heard .... good.  Nice to see updating on this thread instead of waiting for a day.

I'm still irritated at the privacy discussion scheduled for tonight's show being shoved off along with Rachel Maddow, but hope it will get covered tomorrow.  However, the topics covered made the show full and much appreciated.

Unfortunately, there are still 24% of American's that don't have a problem with GWB not bothering to show up at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.  Probably the same ones that think that supporting the troops has everything to do with one of those car magnets.  

Paul Reichoff was a guest on Rachel Maddow's show today prior to his time on Countdown.  He says there's a veterans bill already on BushCos desk that he hasn't decided whether to veto or sign.  They think he didn't want to veto anywhere close to Veterans Day.  I think he doesn't give a $hit.  He'll do what he wants, as he has over and over again because Congress will not stand up and hold him accountable - for ANYTHING.

Interesting that BushCos no show was not covered on the other networks.  Haven't they realized they don't have to suck up to him anymore?

Kieth;

What is the date on your DD214.  Why didn't you serve?
Please pass the word along, Countdown staff -- none of the email links are working! I'm trying to watch your video clips and the NEW VIDEO PAGE LAYOUT is really screwy.  It's all blank at the top so you think the page is still loading, but then when you scroll halfway down, there's the window with the video in it, already started! Is that page still under construction? I hope so because it's not a very good plan. I liked the original layout with the video on the left, the date and description on the right, and all the current Countdown video thumbnails below it, very easy to find.
I would imagine that a lot of the voting population is still undecided.  I would like to imagine that Countdown would and could be a tad more objective in it's coverage of all the candidates.  

How about interviewing, on separate nights, each of the willing candidates during the #1 story -- all of them -- even the Republicans, if they choose to accept.  It would be far superior to twits, bimbos or Faux News soft core porn events.  

Could you consider it?  
Dear Mr. Olberman:
I am looking forward to your special comments of your president's behavior on veterans' day. I am confident you will address this behavior very soon in one of your special reports.  Please make it very soon. Thank you, you are a very special, gifted in your work. May God's richest blessings for ever attend you. Jocelyn A
Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa (Sent Monday, November 12, 2007 10:11 PM)

Thank you Steve!! You outdid yourself tonight, but I already knew you were going to - LOL!!

Thanks for all you do to contribute to this blog; I sincerely hope we CAN get it back to the blog of months ago!! At least we got some updates over the weekend AND tonight, who knows, maybe “we” did make a difference!!

PEACE TO ALL (YOU TOO ANOMALY)

PS: Anomaly, I NEVER meant to hurt your feelings in any way, I HAVE always been a great fan of your writing and have told you this many, many times on the blog. I WAS trying my best Friday when I saw you were upset to explain.  However, I obviously did hurt your feelings, and for that I am very, very sorry!! I somehow failed to articulate myself in my original post to you. Also, "Biff" was NOT me, just wanted to clear that up also!! Again, my apologies and God Bless!!
Kudos on your veterans piece. It was a shame how we treated the vets after Viet Nam, this is worse. Bravo for having Paul Rieckhoff on the show, an eloquent and principled man who obviously cares about the situation.
Tonight I was surprised to hear the normally reliable and precise Keith O state that “1 out of 4 veterans are homeless”...I am sure you were referring to the National Alliance to End Homelessness’s estimation that veterans make up 1 in 4 homeless.  This matter of detail regards the appalling problems of poverty in America and the inexcusable disregard of suffering veterans.  
your vile disregard for this countries success and dramatic achievement leave me feeling ill when I watch you.  
richard lehr, Baxter Mo. (Sent Monday, November 12, 2007 11:32 PM)

Richard, the only people that have "vile disregard for this country's success", in addition to the very lives of Americans are George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice and Donald Rumsfeld -- they should ALL be at The Hague on trial.

The entire administration of George W. Bush has had "vile disregard" for the men and women of our military, to include their families, the Constitution of the United States of America; the citizens of Iraq; the Geneva Conventions and International treaties; the citizens and residents of the United States, for this administration has raped our civil rights and governed for nearly seven years criminally!!. They have attempted at all cost, and succeeded with many, to instill fear in the psyche of every American!! They have bullied, terrorized and have shown complete disregard for EVERYTHING our forefathers and our brave veterans fought for!! This administration has also bullied and terrorized every country who has dared to disagree with their policies and draconian acts!!

If America were to look in a mirror, she would not recognize herself!! I pray daily these people are held accountable and spend the remainder of their sub-human lives in a 2x2 prison cell!!

God help us until 1/20/09, I hope we make it!!

PEACE!!
Hey Keith, I think a good nickname for "Bill-o" should be "our smutty buddy" Oh.. sorry to hear 'bout Rosie, too. What's the world coming to these days?!
Loved the show today, well done Mr. Olbermann.
Is it just 'coincidence'? Or, is GWB simply hiding from all those who are angry, disgusted, dismayed, disgruntled, and have little regard for the 'little' man?

How else can I put this?  His 'cronies' - his 'money people' - his staff - his VP - and all those on the list, simply don't allow him to know how much people really oppose him and his "decider" decisions.

Even, some people dispise him!  I'll add: maybe not as a person, (though I hesitate on this one) but, most assuredly as a president!  This idea keeps popping up in almost all his public appearances now.

Do you suppose there might be some 'reality' in what appears a bit flakey and fishy, in the murkey waters of the p.Residents public appearances?  All staged with pre-planned questioners, pre-planned photo ops, and so on?

Remind me again, what Country does he live in?
Come on Keith.  When FEMA got caught planting questions, you teared them apart.  Now when Hillary gets caught planting questions, you give her a pass.  
#1 If you were ten years older growing up in Westchester County you might have read "The New York Mirror," a tabloid-style newspsper similar to "The New York Daily News."  The Mirror's Sunday edition often had a two-page centerfold spread dealing with, and railing against, the smut shops and XXX-rated movie theaters then in Times Square with a few carefully selected photos (such as they were) showing as much as they could at the time of these horrible, horrible things.
Your guest, Mr. Greenwald, while certainly qualified by virtue of his age and location of his upbringing,  had apparently missed out on the Sunday Mirror's delicate blend of high dudgeon and salaciousness.


   
Just watched a late viewing of the Bill O'Reilly show "The Factor" just to see what I have been missing. Has some lady on there talking about body language. Boring to say the least. All in all his show was ok but nothing that I would make a habit of watching. So if there is an obsession there I just don't get it. Fox Noise,Fix Noise,Faux News. Try forgetting all about Bill O'Reilly and Fox News for a few weeks and see what happens. If not maybe it's time we lay down on the couch and have a nice long talk with a doctor. As far as Hillary having the nomination wrapped up,that's not the feeling i'm getting here in Iowa. She has a slight lead in the polls but the feeling that I have is the Democrats would just like there nominee to be someone else other than Hillary.
Hey, thanks to the moderator!  This is the first time I've *ever* come in here at midnight and found comments posted for that day's show.  Wow -- what a concept --- current comments!  Thanks for being on the ball tonight.  Now, is this going to be a one-time-only-because-it's-a-holiday kind of thing?  I hope not -- it's great.
Both my parents Stanley and Maria Ploharski are buried in Arlington National Cemetery. Prior to the death of my father on Vet Day he wanted my sister to take him to Washington so he could tell the president to end all wars. That was in 1999. He must have been turning over in his grave these last few years as the ceremony is conducted at the tomb of the unknown soldier. I am glad that Bush wasn't there and wish Dick had not have been either. I would have much preferred someone who knows the agony of the actual vets who have given their lives. Thank you for your broadcast.
Check out the antics of Hannity, Mark Levin and Hannity's program director Phil Boyce.  Boyce tried to have this guy arrested because of a question he "thought" the guy was going to ask.  These people are disgusting and stupid.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/11/11/0949/1624  
And please let's forget about Fox News and Bill O'Reilly. All your doing is giving them more publicity. The people that watch you don't watch Fox anyway. Let's concentrate of far more important matters. We have a very,very,important election that is coming up. Dang it we need a change in this country.
John Doggit Great State of Iowa (Sent Monday, November 12, 2007 10:52 PM)

Poor John, newly come to this show and not understanding that KO has this bitter "feud" (petulant name calling is what I would call it) with the faux noise camp.  Many have called for KO to grow up and act mature about this and other things but unfortunately it isn't going to happen.
Pam -- I have a serious question for you.  Believe it or not, this concerns me, too.  You obviously have private conversations by e-mail with many bloggers here.  You've obviously revealed your e-mail address to them.  Presumably, you trust them.  But have you ever posted your e-mail address on the blog?  If so, that might easily explain how someone is able to post as you.  (I assure you it’s not me -- not my style.)  I don’t think it matters whether you use multiple computers as I have used at least four different computers to post, but always the same e-mail address.  Could this explain it?
John Doggit Great State of Iowa (Sent Monday, November 12, 2007 10:52 PM)

Obsession with Big=headed Tautological Billo Really?  Who?
Keith, one of your news items mentioned a school that was going to have a program about conscientious objectors. Rush Limbaugh, or one of his ilk, evidently featured this as a terrible outrage. I think he, and you and your viewers, ought to know a little more about two of these COs. You can google to get more of this information:
"Thus Thomas W. Bennett became the only conscientious objector to earn the Medal of Honor in the Vietnam War, and only the second in history to be so recognized. The first was Desmond Doss, a Seventh Day Adventist who was cited for his heroism on Okinawa in World War II."

From today’s New York Times --

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/13/world/asia/14pakistan.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Hundreds of riot police early today blocked the opposition leader Benazir Bhutto and her supporters from making a planned long march from this eastern city 160 miles through Punjab Province to the capital, Islamabad. Ms. Bhutto, barricaded in her home here, called for the resignation of Pakistan’s president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf in a phone interview….  A government spokesman, Tariq Azim Khan, citing intelligence data, suggested that Ms. Bhutto could be a target for militants…. General Musharraf said Sunday that emergency rule would continue at least until the elections.

Yes, that’s it.  Must protect my dear Eleanor of Aquitaine from meddlesome lawyers and reporters.  I’ll lock HER in the castle, for her own good, and lock the COUNTRY down, to make sure she stays safe.  Good plan.
OK EVERYONE, put up the knives and cleavers. Back to posting in a friendly manner with agreements, disagreements, discussions and some of those other post between bloggers that I read but can't make out what the hell people are talking about. I am me, Cougar is Cougar whatever the heck it means, Anomaly and Pam are and will always be Anomaly and Pam (would make strong leaders), BA is of course you know BA - anyone would want to have a beer with him, Carol is Carol, Steve is NEAT and very talented, junebug is up on the facts,calm and efficient, Mad is cool, Krista is consistent, jen'il is cute and tough, Sue, Mary Mac, Scott Copeland, Rocky Mountain, Laura, Hunter, Rana, Kevin - NJ, and all others I missed are nice people that have a lot of smart things to say. But don't make me add all your other alias to the list above as I won't have enough room here. And the Newshole  moderators, well, I'll leave to your own opinions.  Pud is well you know, Pud. But that's cool too. I didn't see Larry or Scott, NV, Tom-DC and a few others from the right on here the last day or so. What have you far right liberals done with these people? Not nice. In any case can we get back to the "Way We Were". Now, what has Bush done stupid today? Looks like Hillary is having some trouble. How about Pakistan, scary huh? And water boarding is still torture.  

By the way, I'm still C A.
Disgusted, Texas (9:47 PM Post):

"George Bush doesn't hate the troops.  He simply doesn't care about them".

Digusted, GWB is a sociopathic personality. Even if he wanted to and even if he tried he could not sympathize with the emotional trauma, pain and suffering that our troops may experience. In fact I think he finds more internal conflict because he knows deep inside he cannot find a way to sympathize and emotionally care for people at a level that others are capable of feeling. His is a personality where internal emotional closeness was lost many years ago and lies dormant where it cannot come out and reveal itself. This is a very painful and depressing situation for a person with this kind of personality. In fact, there are people who are born with a propensity for sociopathic tendencies. If not recognized early and countered with a great deal of love by significant others the person grows up incapable of having deep emotional ties with people  and a conflict with society in general. They can't fit in. Most times this inability to enter into and feel such emotional attachments results in  rebellious and irresponsible behavior.
Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa (Sent Monday, November 12, 2007 10:11 PM)  Thanks for blowing my covert status!! Man, now I'm going to have to write a book full of redacted pages. BTW, in case anyone's bull$hit meter is off, I'M KIDDING. ANYONE who had a role in outing Valerie Plame Wilson's covert status should be punished for the traitors they are; I know they won't be, but a girl can hope.
Disgusted, TX (Sent Monday, November 12, 2007 9:47 PM)  Yes!! Your post was BEAUTIFULLY stated. Thank you!


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