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Countdown Tuesday: From the Top Drown

Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:59 PM by Countdown
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Overlooking Oversight: The same CIA officer who, last night, confirmed that under his team's interrogation, al Qaeda suspect Abu Zubaydah was waterboarded... Who said he has no doubts that waterboarding is torture. Today -- in our fifth story on the Countdown -- completing the picture, saying that the decision to torture... was made by the White House.

You Say Dubai, I say Hello: It could just be coincidence, a fluke of timing. That four days after the CIA admits to having destroyed videotape evidence of Abu Zubaydah being waterboarded... An ex-CIA officer tells the press how well the water-boarding worked... Even though he wasn't present for the torture... Even though he wasn't present for the confessions.. And even though other CIA and FBI operatives have said that Zubaydah had little information and was mentally unbalanced. Our Fourth Story on the Countdown, looking for the truth behind the torture.

ODDBALL: The real reason the latest space shuttle flight was scrubbed, and the latest in coffee service...new robot baristas.

Contractor Gang Rape Cover Up?: Barbarian invaders are traditionally the ones associated with rape and pillage. After no-bid contracts leading to billions of dollars in alleged waste, Halliburton has already managed something that certainly can be compared to pillaging. And now, in our third story on the Countdown, its employees have been accused of gang rape. And because of a failure to prosecute, all of this comes with the imprimatur of the United States government.

Tabby Time:  911: What is your emergency? There's a downed oompa-loompa... wait... and it looks like Paris Hilton is trying to save it. That bizarre image leading off our number two story tonight... keeping tabs.

WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD:  Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, Sean Hannity and NY Knicks coach Isaih Thomas vie for tonight's top honors.


When Robots Attack an Ex-President:  Voters are sometime accused of seeming robotic...And there have been questions, from the start, about how Senator Hillary Clinton would deal with her larger-than-life, former-President, husband, Bill Clinton. But in our number one story on the Countdown, who could have imagined, that the two issues would ever have converged.

 

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#5 -- Countdown -- please don’t confuse Ms. Perino with syllogistic logic.  Remember? She fell down the rabbit hole, hit her head on some facts, was thrown out of Wonderland, and was carried off to Mordor to experience global warming first hand.  Mouth of Sauron, for sure.  What else can you expect?  

#3 -- Rape with the imprimatur of the United States government?  REALLY bad things happened to her.  Tragic for sure.  And, unfortunately, maybe tragically symbolic of what has happened every day for the past 6 or 7 years in this country.  

Mercenaries in limbo?  A good place to put them, for sure.

Keeping Tabs -- Paris Hilton and Willy Wonka -- strange bedfellows, for sure.  So much time and so little to do.  Oompa, Loompa, doom-pa-dee-do … for sure.

Anna Molly (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:06 PM)

Quotes and Facts on Iraq:

http://www.freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_quotes.html

Hill Briefed on Waterboarding in 2002.
In Meetings, Spy Panels' Chiefs Did Not Protest, Officials Say:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/08/AR2007120801664.html?hpid=topnews

SW, San Diego, CA (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:12 PM)

I’m tired of my blood running cold as far as where this country's heading. We have no credibility – game over in that respect. I don’t care right now who ends up being President come Nov. 2008. (S)He is going to have a hell of a time getting the rest of the world to trust us again.

The way Mr. Kiriakou is getting around, you’d think he was selling a book or something. How many sides of his mouth can he talk out of? Waterboarding is torture, but it worked at the time, and we had to do it when it was done, but I wasn't there when it was done, etc. And, I'd be willing to bet at least a shiny new dime that someone somewhere has a copy or copies of those tapes in kind of a CYA/FBC frame of mind. Where did I put that mother forkin' eggnog...

Will a DOJ investigation into the CIA tape destruction REALLY mean anything? I guess we’ll see if all the votes to confirm Mukasey were a waste or not. Until I'm proven otherwise, comparing Mukasey to Yoda is an insult to Yoda.

And, finally, Keith, thanks for the “visit” from Kent Brockman during the “Oddball” segment about the spider “attacking” the shuttle!! The levity was a much-needed diversion from the throughly depressing and scary news of what's being done in the name to "protect" us.

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:15 PM)

inconvenient truth looker-upper (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 1:54 PM)

Here's another story you may wish to look-up. It talks of years of neglet of the levees.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=%5CSpecialReports%5Carchive%5C200510%5CSPE20051017a.html

And another on poor evacuation plans.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/3344347.html

David Molinero (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:29 PM)

#1. A robot in a blue dress should be fine with Hillary. #2. Paris isn't turning into Veruca Hilton, is she? Or maybe Paris Salt?#3. More and more people are getting a taste of what the Constitution had happen to it. #4 Everybody is an expert on torture these days. #5. It's just part of the covert "Nobody Left Untortured" operation, Cheney forced Dubya to implement, after a series of "Wet Willies".

Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:30 PM)

#4 - "Zubaydah had little information and was mentally unbalanced."?  Yeah, they WOULD say that!  That "ex" CIA  guy is a plant.  Check Posner's column at Huffpo.  The four people he conspired with are all conveniently dead, so they cannot reveal who they were working for.

Honestly, did that CIA guy look like he was type who could torture anyone?  Then why is he speaking for people who do?

#3 - So now we know for sure.  The moral degenerates and criminals that even the Army won't take go to work for Halliburton and KBR.

R.NorCal (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:32 PM)

Well, looky here. A judge has the cojones to do something that our AG should've done days ago! Check this out:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20071212/wl_mcclatchy/2781685

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:48 PM)

I want to stay

O J (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:49 PM)

Anna Molly (you can believe it if it helps you to sleep …) (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 12:59 PM) …  Point? … Not a pretty picture by any means, and with three kids planing on joining the military after High School, not something I want to see.  David Molinero (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:35 PM)

No point, as usual.  Except … invading Iraq really didn’t solve the Al Qaeda problem, did it?  And … all of the horribles you posit were caused by the invasion, weren’t they?  And … if this is the probable result, maybe we should think twice before expanding the war outward -- like to Iran.

And … if you’re worried about your kids (as you should be), then why would you want this to happen again?

Anna Molly (… but singing works just fine for me) (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:51 PM)

Mr. Olbermann, I am usually in 100% agreement with you on the subjects you cover, and I am grateful that you are there to shine a light on the stupidity and abuses of our current administration. That said, I have to very much disagree with the tone of one of your topics tonight.

I am not a Paris Hilton fan, but I fail to understand why you think the story about her and the injured performer is so hysterically funny.

In the first place, it was NOT an Oompa-Loompa who was injured; it was a real person performing the role of an Oompa-Loompa. It must have been terrifying to have been mobbed violently enough to require emergency care. How does that make him worthy of ridicule? And Paris Hilton, no matter what one may think of her, did a compassionate thing by staying with the injured man until help arrived. Why make fun of her for that?

Would everyone be smirking so smugly over this if the injured performer had been of average size playing some other role, and the person who comforted him as he lay injured been anyone other than Paris Hilton? She did a very kind thing, and it stinks that people like you are mocking both the man who was hurt and the woman who didn't leave him until help arrived.

Uber Bitsy, Florida (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:51 PM)

CA..Don...MK

Your ans to my (If I were President and here is Iran) question was right on!! Thanks I apreciate the knowledge. Meaning all three of you made a good points. Your research is better then mine I guess.

K. Collins, USN (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:02 PM)

All right, backwater boy -- here’s a start. (Did you really think I wouldn’t take you up on this?)

Out of Africa.  See what you can do with that.  Tell me about Robert Redford’s too porous complexion.  Accuse me of hypocrisy because of my well-known anti-gun sentiments.  I don’t care.  Still my idea of a romantic movie, for sure.

Casablanca.  I can’t wait to see what you can do with Bogey, Bergman, a gin joint, and the usual suspects.  Here’s looking at you, backwater boy.  (:

By the way, while thumbing through my DVD collection, I found a copy of Run Silent, Run Deep.  Not really romantic, but it involves a quasi-mutiny, and it does have ears.  So it counts.  Sad ending, though.  Come to think of it, all of the above have sad endings. ):

Okay.  On to happy.  The American President -- waltzing at the White House, kissing in the Dish Room, fraternizing with lobbyists, and a Virginia ham.  

Breakfast at Tiffany’s.  A madame, for sure.  But a happy ending, and a moon river.  (Alternative choice, Pretty Woman -- no moon river, but Richard Gere for me, and Julia Roberts for you.)  (:

Your turn.

Anna Molly (: (hopelessly romantic ninny, as time goes by) (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:19 PM)

From yesterday's blog -

"Beck was critical of the actions before and after, not of the people on the rooftops."

Not quite:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200509090003


john, cleveland, ohio (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:36 PM)

The serious answer is education, conversation, that ol' fashioned socratic dialogue.  The quick answer is a nudge out an open window, preferably above the fifth floor. You might sign up for hockey lessons. not2clever4U. Apparently, OK (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 7:16 PM)

Well, then, not2clever4U, either, since I’m not at all seriously inclined, it’s hockey lessons for me.  Cross-checking and high-sticking seem like advanced liberal tricks, for sure.  But come to think of it, Socratic dialogue will probably work, too, if I get to ask the questions.

To get started, I’ll need to find a neo-con who’s not already past saving.  I think I may know where to look.  Yesterday he even gave up juvenile neo-con name-calling. Hey backwater boy -- pour moi?  (If I promise not to nudge you out a window and throw in a deep sky object?)  

Anna Molly (: (not too clever, for sure, but ready to train) (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:48 PM)

K. Collins, USN (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:02 PM)

Allow me to apologize K; I just wasn't up to it last weekend; as a matter of fact, I just started feeling better today!! You did receive responses “the best of the best” though; and you sir, are a class act!!

PEACE & GOD BLESS!!

Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:17 PM)

Keith, you ROCK!  Take a look at Los Angeles PBS station KCET's program 'Life and Times' for today, December 11 to see a segment on Crisis Capitalism -- your crack research team will have a field day with this stuff, the way they stick it to Halliburton!

MrsMom, Costa Mesa, California (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:25 PM)

Mr. Keith Olberman

I can not thank you enough for the courage and common sence you present us with five days a week.  Although I dont claim any religon, I wish you and your family a happy holiday season.

Anis E Khal Portland, Oregon (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:17 AM)

john, cleveland, ohio (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:36 PM)

Media Matters is about as credible of a source, as a tabloid. They are super biased, and one sided.

I did a search on Mike Malloy on Media Matters, (A guy who said during his program "I want to see EVERY REPUBLICAN lined-up and SHOT") Nothing. Malloy nightly says "I HATE ALL REPUBLICANS" and Media Matters says nothing about him.

If Media Matters was fair and honest, would they let that slide?

David Molinero (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:26 AM)

The way Mr. Kiriakou is getting around, you’d think he was selling a book or something. How many sides of his mouth can he talk out of? Waterboarding is torture, but it worked at the time, and we had to do it when it was done, but I wasn't there when it was done, etc.
Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:15 PM)

You took the words right out of my mouth!! Perhaps he’s under the delusional belief that wannabe “Flip-flopper-In-Chief” Romney will get the nomination and he’s set sights on the VP slot on the ticket??!!

Can’t think of any other explanation; unless of course the obvious, someone joined at the hip of George W. Bush “got to him.” Gonzo makes another clandestine trip??!!

I’d bet my last dollars it’s the latter!!

PEACE!!

Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:54 AM)

The way Mr. Kiriakou is getting around, you’d think he was selling a book or something. How many sides of his mouth can he talk out of? Waterboarding is torture, but it worked at the time, and we had to do it when it was done, but I wasn't there when it was done, etc.
Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:15 PM)

You took the words right out of my mouth!! Perhaps he’s under the delusional belief that wannabe “Flip-flopper-In-Chief” Romney will get the nomination and he’s set sights on the VP slot on the ticket??!!

Can’t think of any other explanation; unless of course the obvious, someone joined at the hip of George W. Bush “got to him.” Gonzo makes another clandestine trip??!!

I’d bet my last dollars it’s the latter!!

PEACE!!

Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:55 AM)

Thanks John in CLV RE: Beck' Katrina Remarks. I detected the loathing in his comments that he had for the flood victims. I suppose he would have "John Wayned" himself out of N.O. if this had happened to him. They're all brave sitting behind a mike. Shoulda, coulda, woulda etc.

J. Cash Pittsburgh PA (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:22 AM)

Molinero,

Nice answer!  Tells me everything.

TRANSLATION:  There is NOT 1 event of wrong doing under the GWB Admin.  Nothing is proven.  Not one conviction.  Not all the facts are in, etc.

Libby was pardoned because he was wrongly convicted and the pres. corrected this wrong.

OJ Simpson was proven innocent of murder, and no one can say otherwise.  You have no proof.

Bill Clinton was found not guilty of perjury, and there is no proof otherwise.

BTW, My question of why do you and others of your like mind come to a Non-Neo-Con site wasn't about who comes here and who doesn't, or exclusive like redstate.org.  It was why, as in I cannot figure out what is to be gained.  To disrupt those w/ dissenting POV?  Or are w/ inferior and need your help to find reality?

Talvenada, Phila., Penna. (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:52 AM)

I have to laugh about what Huckabee said last night.  I'm not sure which news program it was on, but basically he's against gay marriages and unions because they can't produce babies (not a direct quote, just the gist of it).

One of these days these 'intelligent' folks will 'get' that no matter how many people fight relationships of gays and lesbians, it won't make them 'go back' to being heterosexual and all the sudden want to produce babies with members of the opposite sex.

Will someone please explain to me how not allowing two consenting adults of the same sex that love each other the same benefits afforded to heterosexuals that love each other, will somehow affect the 'sanctity' of 'marriage.'  When you're done with that, please explain to me why it's so much more acceptable to be married two, three times (with a mistress on the side a la Guiliani), with multiple divorces.

Ah, the conundrums of the neo cons!  

Jamie, Lago Patria, Italia (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 3:30 AM)

I am not very cheery tonight..estoy muy enojada (I am very angry), as there was only depressing and terrible news today. El Presidente got his way about being allowed to snoop into our private conversations and email chitchat, because of "national security"..I'm ready to puke.

and those criminals in the White House will soon be outed even more for what they are. This tape debacle has opened up a Pandora's Box and we better sit back, grap our chones (underwear) and hang on.

Oddball: that spider gave me the creeps.

#3..this young woman has more going for her then any of those a**holes at Halliburton who raped her. Waiting two years to see if the government would help her bring those criminals to justice, her rape kit "mysteriously" disappearing, who knows where those guilty are now and this lady needs justice. If this government does nothing to help her, well, it's just one more thing that's par for the course and this administration stinks.

Dana Perino continues to get on my nerves.

Paris Hilton is a total ditz.

WPitW..three very good choices..see I told you I wasn't cheery..however...

the one bright spot of the whole evening was seeing how well put together our Keith was once again..angry at times for the bad news he has to report, but looking quit nice..thanks Keith, you do your job with such style..IMHO.

Laura in Los Angeles (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 4:19 AM)

I will use these words no more, forever. I would do this only pour vous, Madame. No other Liberal. PUD Laguna Niguel, CA (Sent Monday, December 10, 2007 10:44 PM)

Hello backwater boy -- I take back my flip answer from yesterday.  Offer generously accepted.  Pour vous, sir.  Take the apologies out of my account.  If I need to deposit more, please let me know.  Stick with me, backwater boy.  I’ll get it right, one of these days.  Romantic movie?  Lost in Translation.  

Anna Molly (always, but sometimes lost in translation) (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 7:53 AM)













What could be more exciting for Christmas viewing than to watch a "Barney Cam" again.  Wow! What fun, watching a dog running around the White House with a camera strapped to him.  Maybe the CIA could class this as torture and burn these tapes.













JoAnn Moundsville,WV (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 7:58 AM)

Here’s more alarming news on global warming -- seems the coal mine “canary” has died and it’s time to get out.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/12/11/arctic.melt.ap/index.html

“An already relentless melting of the Arctic greatly accelerated this summer, a warning sign that some scientists worry could mean global warming has passed an ominous tipping point.  One even speculated that summer sea ice would be gone in five years.  Greenland's ice sheet melted nearly 19 billion tons more than the previous high mark, and the volume of Arctic sea ice at summer's end was half what it was just four years earlier, according to new NASA satellite data obtained by The Associated Press.  ‘The Arctic is screaming,’ said Mark Serreze, senior scientist at the government's snow and ice data center in Boulder, Colorado….

“This week, after reviewing his own new data, NASA climate scientist Jay Zwally said: At this rate, the Arctic Ocean could be nearly ice-free at the end of summer by 2012, much faster than previous predictions.  So scientists in recent days have been asking themselves these questions:  Was the record melt seen all over the Arctic in 2007 a blip amid relentless and steady warming? Or has everything sped up to a new climate cycle that goes beyond the worst case scenarios presented by computer models? ‘The Arctic is often cited as the canary in the coal mine for climate warming,’ said Zwally, who as a teenager hauled coal. ‘Now as a sign of climate warming, the canary has died. It is time to start getting out of the coal mines.’”

BTW -- This is one REALLY scary article, full of facts and other “scientific” nonsense that we liberals naturally don’t comprehend, but our resident neo-cons will be happy to dismiss out-of-hand.  And maybe Governor Huckabee, too.  

Anna Molly (dimmocrat ninny unruffled by facts) (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 8:10 AM)

Good morning from the “now-back-to-normal” Iraq --

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Iraq.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

“Synchronized car bombs devastated a city market district in southern Iraq on Wednesday, killing at least 27 people and injuring 151 in a Shiite region that has largely escaped the country's sectarian bloodshed, authorities said.”

Mr. Molinero -- You tell me that if we go, chaos will result, and you don’t want to leave that for your children.  Well, what on earth is this, if not chaos?  Just another day in the lives of ordinary Iraqis.  With car bombs.

I would just as soon not have any more of THIS on my conscience, Mr. Molinero.

Anna Molly (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 8:28 AM)

K Collins, USN (10:02 PM Post):

No K, my research is definately not better then yours. Mine actually sucks. I tend to make comments based on my own experiecnes and personal beliefs. I leave the research and arguements of fact up to folks like junebug and Pam. They are better at it then me. Plus as junebug and I have discussed, I am a firm believer that man (in the generic term) is more influenced by emotional appeal and less by facts. We must have something to believe in, a purpose, or all the research and facts in the world will mean nothing.

The comments I made about Iran were made from experiences. Not as President of course but from dealing with people with the same type of personaility and mentality as the Pres. of Iran for years. Keep your enemies close, never allow them a public stage and learn to be one or two steps ahead of them at all times. In the current situation with Iran, Bush has allowed the leaders of Iran to play him rather than vice-versa, and they know it. Unfortunately for Bush it takes a bit of competence and a high level of self-confidence to deal with potential enemies in this manner. Bush has neither so he relies on strong-arm tactis. In the long run those kinds of tactics played out so publically and irrationally will come around and bite you in the rear.    

C A, Tuscaloosa, AL (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 8:58 AM)

Hey, here's a news flash:  They're having a country wide truck strike here in Italy this week-what a deal.  Oh well, there goes our plans out the window.

Just think about not being able to buy fuel for your car, the highways/freeways being blocked by trucks on strike, food, mail etc., not being delivered, and well, you get the picture.

Crazy days!

Jamie, Lago Patria, Italia (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 9:14 AM)

"The insult is the last refuge of the out-argued"
-- John 'Birdman' Bryant

There are 405 days until the end of this regime on 1/20/2009
There are 390 days until the end of this Congress on 1/5/2009 ???
There are 328 days until election day -- 11/4/2008

The first Caucus/Primary hasn't happened yet!  Evaluate ALL the candidates and think wisely before you vote.
And we are counting down.

Carol, Long Valley NJ (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 9:44 AM)

hey does anybody think this is a coincidene that the NIE comes out and says that Iran is not makin nukes, and supposedly the president did not find out till a couple wks ago, when in reality he might have known since august, around the same time that sy hersch came out wit the article saying that the rehtoric was changing to :Iran in Iraq

John Doe (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:12 AM)

Every time I think that this administration couldn't possibly sink lower, they managed to yet again do so.  Good grief, they are starting to make Nixon look good, how is that possible?  

How low can they go?  Lying, cheating, stealing, destroying evidence -- it's all in a days work for Bush/Cheney.  And these are the same folks who swore that they were going to bring integrity back to the white house.  

Could someone please volunteer to give Bush and Cheney a BJ so that we can finally get them impeached -- it'll have to be a guy who volunteers, so that the Republicans are on board as well.  We'll need video tape proof.  

Carol, Long Valley NJ (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:50 AM)

Hi. Off topic from last night, but you must MUST show on tonight's COUNTDOWN what Rep. John "Small Price to Pay" Boehner had to say about "wasteful spending" on the floor of the House this morning. I'm guessing "wasteful spending" means health care for kids and other "silly" domestic spending that could actually help people in this country instead of leading to more American soldier deaths, which, as he's reminded us, is a "small price to pay." (*&^$#@?!!

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:09 AM)

Talking about torture 13 days before Christmas.  It would seem our country in the fear that followed 9/11, choose to give up all our faith.  We allowed the scared little man in the white house to spit on our founders, our treaties and our allies.  We allowed ourselves to believe the "terrorists" were somehow more dangerous than the soviets during the cold war or even the English during the revolution,  who hunted down tortured and killed at least 5 of the signers of the Declaration Of Independance for treason.  We were so self centered, we called people who asked why we were attacked nieve traitors.  We were so narcissistic as to believe that there was an axis of evil, not of countries or groups but actual evil because they hated us and we are of course good.  But a country that tortures is not good, we are not a good people.  Torture is a tool of fear it is a tool of terror.  We are terrorists.  We can no longer claim we are moral or just.  We are torturers. We were frightened and we gave away our soul. How good were we if all it took to make us ignore, laws, treaties, morals, the words of Jesus are a few extremists hiding out half a world away.  Torture done in my name makes me angry and heartbroken.  There is simply no excuse and if you are still making excuses you are a scared little person at a time our country desparatly needs strong brave citizens.

jen,il (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:16 AM)

An interesting phenomenon.  In a ranking of "knowledge" among states, the "blue" states do significantly better than the "red" states.  Apparently we're better educated.  The company that published the index is based in Georgia.  Read for yourself.  

https://analytics.aelera.net/downloads/Aelera_State_Knowledge_Economy_Index_Web.pdf

Carol, Long Valley NJ (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:25 AM)

We need to see these torture tapes.  We need to see what is being done in our name.  We need to see how far we have fallen and then we need to beg forgiveness.  Until we do we can never be the great nation we once were. Being great doesn't mean we can't make mistakes, it does mean we have to take responsiblily for those mistakes.    

jen,il (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:46 AM)

Since the Newshole has yet to be updated (please go back to the excellent moderating we were almost getting used to again), I went over to Crooks & Liars, and found this nice gem about the nutball Rep. Steve King of IA, introducing this piece of legislation:

The measure will state that the House of Representatives “recognizes the Christian faith as one of the great religions of the world,” “expresses continued support for Christians in the United States and worldwide,” and among other things, “acknowledges and supports the role played by Christians and Christianity in the founding of the United States and in the formation of the western civilization.”

Your tax dollars at work people!! We have a disasterous Iraqi conflict, no Habeas Corpus, Secret prisons/torture, Halliburton, Blackwater..etc. etc. ad nauseum, but the Repugnikants as usual have Other Priorities.

Absolutely disgusting.


LT in MD (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:18 PM)

Did Randi Rhodes go on a racist rant on her radio show?
http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2007/12/randi-rhodes-blasts-oprah-for-going.html

No way, She a Liberal. She can't be a closet Racist, could she as she said this?

"Everyone who watches Oprah, are the whitest people in the world. Yes even the black folk. Even the black men who watch Oprah are white women while they watch Oprah. We all know what we are talking about."

If we use the same Standards with her, as gets used on people on the Right, then she just has to be. (When will Al Sharpton and others try to have her taken off the air?)

Or maybe, she's in support of Clinton, or Edwards, and used some rather "Unfortunate Language" filling 3hrs of Airtime as she tried to minimize Oprah support for Obama.

Had Limbaugh, Beck, or O'Reilly said such a thing, Sharpton and/or Jackson would be on 24/7 demanding their jobs. Olbermann would gleefully have such a person as "Worst Person in the World". But Randi Rhodes is a Liberal, so the Double Standared will apply.

David Molinero (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:22 PM)

Son of a ....OK...family site...family site...

It's deja' vu all over again, folks. I guess it hasn't sunk into GWB's skull that SCHIP ISN'T FOR POOR KIDS!! Merry freakin' Christmas:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071212/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_veto

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:26 PM)

Okay, now for some good news!

MSNBC tapes pilot for new show…starring Rachel Maddow!

Yaaaay, I didn't know she had a Doctorate. That is way cool. I am excited for her and even more happy that an extra progressive voice has been added to the very short list of folks who "Tell it like it is."

LT in MD (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:28 PM)

"Gonzo makes another clandestine trip??!! I’d bet my last dollars it’s the latter!! PEACE!!" Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:55 AM) What? He'd blow a chance to get paid between $30-40K to get booed on a college campus to go to scenic Gitmo?! He's not THAT dumb, is he?? Oh wait...never mind!

Krista Swisher (I Don't Recall if I Live in) Indianapolis, IN (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:13 PM)

"Could someone please volunteer to give Bush and Cheney a BJ so that we can finally get them impeached -- it'll have to be a guy who volunteers, so that the Republicans are on board as well.  We'll need video tape proof."  Carol, Long Valley NJ (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:50 AM) OMG!! That is so funny and so wrong at the same time; that's my kind of humor! ;D

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:16 PM)

"MSNBC tapes pilot for new show…starring Rachel Maddow!" LT in MD (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:28 PM) Are you freakin' kidding me?! ALL RIGHT!

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:18 PM)

David Molinero (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:22 PM)

Yet again, what is your freakin' point?? You change subjects here faster than Romney flip-flops on his positions. No one has had a chance to respond to Ms. Rhodes statements because you JUST POSTED THEM. My gawd you are thick. Anyone making these kinds of statements is wrong..including a liberal host. Are you happy now? We have no control over what Al Sharpton is going to do or not do.

Way to ignore Glenn Beck's statements and video of his statements because you don't like the source. Typical blowhard NeoNut. Why are you here? No one has been converted or will be. Please find a hobby.

LT in MD Why are NeoConNutJobs so Blind to Facts?? (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:25 PM)

David Molinero (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:22 PM)

Hi David-I'm not sure if you listened to the whole show yesterday or not, but she said repeatedly that she meant for this to be a ten minute segment, then wanted to move on to Dana Perino.  The point of what she was saying is that people shouldn't change how they talk and who they appear to be depending on their audience.  She also accused Hillary Clinton of pandering and becoming very "preachy" when she speaks to certain groups or at religious events.  She also mentioned young professionals in corporate America who are not genuine and true, because they feel that they can move quicker and higher up the ladder by changing how they are perceived.

Listerners were calling in to discuss the issue (I must say, the issue irritates me as well) which is why it took up the entire broadcast.

Randi also stated numerous times that she loves and adores Oprah and watches her as often as she can.  The point was that people change who they are depending on their audience, which never allows for anyone to know who they really are and how they really stand on issues.

I hope you have an excellent day!

Sarah, Tucson, AZ (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:30 PM)

David Molinero:  Unfortunately you obviously chose NOT to go to the site posted because you don't like 'Media Matters,' if you had, you could have read, watched and listened to what that freak Beck said.  Media Matters did not put those words in his mouth that he spoke.

On another thing:  Anybody that reads a book, buys a piece of clothing, car, etc., or votes for the next president of the United States because Oprah said so, needs their head examined.

I have the utmost respect for the woman in how far she has come and her many charitable contributions, however, philanthrophy is best when you don't constantly toot your own stinkin' horn about it.

BTW, I don't know who Randi Rhodes is personally, but yes, if in fact she said that then it is offensive.  Hopefully someone will call her on it, but by and large the folks you mention on the 'right', do it all of the time-so much it's sometimes difficult to keep up.

Jamie, Lago Patria, Italia (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:32 PM)

David Molinaro- Don't attack Randi. You are way out of your league.  I listened to her show yesterday.  She wasn't being racist she was pointing out the sad state of a country where black people feel thay have to be differant in public than in private.  That even Oprah felt she had to sound like a preacher while she stumped for Obama.  She certainly didn't diminish Oprah by saying repeatedly that Oprah can dispite what the pundits say get people out and involved in politics.  Stop reading republican talking points in search of a misbehaving liberal and worry about what your own people are doing.  Sorry to burst your bubble but talking about race is a discussion this country desperatly needs and I will support anyone with the bravery to do it.  Randi does it well.

jen,il (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:35 PM)

On a different subject, although they are having a nation wide truck strike here in Italy that will most definitely impact our government here (ours being the US), there is a plus:  My husband doesn't have to go to work tomorrow and possibly Friday.

Yay, now we can finally get some pictures hung (not an easy task with the walls here).

Jamie, Lago Patria, Italia (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:37 PM)

SW, San Diego, CA (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:12 PM)

How dare you sir!  Proving that the liberals are lily livered, jello spined, two faced cowards!

True Liberal (Sent Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:45 PM)



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