Countdown Friday: Reinventing Rudolph

Posted: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:59 PM by Countdown
Filed Under: Blogging the Countdown

How Rudolph Saved...Rudolph?: With 20 days until the Iowa Caucuses, to pick up the fallen gauntlet from one of our strike-bound friends at Comedy Central, tonight's word is...tested. Not testy or testes, tested. And, in our fifth story on the Countdown, it is in use tonight by the Republican and the Democrat who a month ago seemed to be sailing towards their respective nominations on a shimmering, window-pane sea of inevitability. We begin tonight with Rudy Giuliani.

Failing on FISA: Why on earth would the Senate Majority Leader chose an amendment to the FISA bill that would immunize the telecom giants who helped the government spy on you, rather than the amendment that wouldn't immunize them? Markos Moulitsas joins us.

ODDBALL: South Korea brawl and Russian Polar Bears...not that kind HEHE!

Mission Accomplished: Bill O'Reilly claims to be a crusader for Christmas. But the object of his true concern is not Jesus Christ... whose biblical revelations, he indicated on the air, were made, "what, five-thousand years ago" -- a neat trick even for him, considering he is said to have been alive, two thousand years ago. Nor is O'Reilly's focus Santa, really, nor even Frosty the Snow-man... More like a straw man of the "War on Christmas"... And now, in our third story on the Countdown, Billo declares victory! And racks up yet another win against the secular progressives. That... preceding, by 24 hours, O'Reilly giving a pass to Barnes and Noble, on the "Christmas" front... because that company sells his books.

Tabby Time; To our number two story on the Countdown, Keeping Tabs, wherein Britney Spears' trip to a gas station produces its succession of staggering consequences.

WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD: Billo makes another appearance, but is he no 1?

Time's Awkward Moments: Too Good to miss.

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Comments

Keith: Please note Allah is the Arabic term for God NOT a false prophet. Your comments, however, were right on. The terrorist claiming a visit from the Almighty to avoid future waterboarding!

Tariq Ahmad (Sent Friday, December 14, 2007 9:09 PM)

Let's get the unpleasantness out of the way first as quickly and as painlessly as we can - kind of like ripping off a bandage. Keith, another entire segment devoted to "he who shall not be named"?! Ugh..."it" is the gift that will keep on giving, but there is also the saying about too much of a good thing. I know it's hard to control yourself, but please try. Pretty please? With sugar on top? And a cherry?

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Friday, December 14, 2007 9:14 PM)

'scuse me, KO, but Mohammad is the Prophet of God. Allah is the big guy himself, who's existence all but the most froth-at-the-mouth fundies admit to. Just in case.

Mo Hammond, Elkhart, IL (Sent Friday, December 14, 2007 9:15 PM)

Before tonight's top story, thanks for clarifying that “test” word! :D The Mayor Rudy sex stuff gets the traction; doing business with someone who helped aid KSM, the 9/11 mastermind, doesn’t get traction. WTF?!

Yes, Senator Clinton, you are correct. The Republicans will go after whoever the Democratic party nominates; however, they will take particular joy and venom in going after you. And, Senator Clinton, you claim "no inevitability"?! Didn’t you tell Katie Couric that you winning was inevitable?! Ggggrrr...

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Friday, December 14, 2007 9:20 PM)

Concerning the FISA bill, go Senator Dodd! I thought Senator Biden was in Dodd’s corner, too. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. The Democrats are the nerdy kids with the glasses who will do ANYTHING to not get beat up and their lunch money taken by the bullies anymore. PLEASE follow the advice from Markos Moulitsas; see if the Republicans REALLY have the stomach for a fillibuster, or see if they're just full of hot air. Well, they're already full of hot air, but they're also absolutely full of something else, too.

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Friday, December 14, 2007 9:27 PM)

Nice interview on Bill Moyer's Journal. Hope you all saw it. And nice segment there on media consolidation. Another big NeoConNutJob dream. Maybe Rupert Murdock could own EVERYTHING on radio, TV, and print. Then the only news will be right wing propaganda.

What the hell is wrong with Harry Reid? He and Pelosi need to be ashamed of themselves with their inability to stand up for what's right. Spying on Americans, ignoring Habeus Corpus, torturing people, locking people up without charges or representation, etc. are all wrong, wrong, wrong.

Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin (Sent Friday, December 14, 2007 9:38 PM)

Just watched the Moyers interview. Very informative, very thoughtful, and thought-provoking as well about the role of media in this crazy political climate. Thanks for letting us know it would be on.

BTW, have the powers that be considered giving Dana Milbank his own show? I'd watch.

Allspice (Sent Friday, December 14, 2007 9:38 PM)

#1. Time isn't always of the Essence, is it? #2. Don't people realize her Divinity by now?...I mean...DUH...she rules, y'know...the Angels!" #3. O'Reilly is having a Blackwater Christmas, this year. #4. Don't tell me he's been to the Minneapolis Airport Restroom, too! #5. I think if they were tested right now, they'd all be found on Window-Pane...or maybe Orange Sunshine?

Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa (Sent Friday, December 14, 2007 9:40 PM)

I've got 2 displays planned for the GWB presidential library. Along with a copy of MY PET GOAT, we'll have an interactive display with a shredder. Visitors can come and dispose of any incriminating paperwork they may have. A nominal fee or suggested donation can be encouraged for extra large quantities of paperwork. The exhibit, of course, will be overseen by Ollie North and Fawn Hall.

What South Korea did to those kitties is wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, WRONG.

WE WANT MORE PUPPET THEATER!! And, seeing the South Carolina chick again was just freakin’ PAINFUL! Dana Perino is her role model, right? Or, maybe, it's the other way around.

Here's a quote from Mark Twain; it's a bit of a downer but seems to be all too appropriate for our "political state" these days: "The truth is mighty and will prevail. There is nothing the matter with that. Except it ain't so." Here's to all who strive to attempt to make the truth prevail. To everyone here at Newshole, to the moderators who work so hard, to the staff and segment contributors at COUNTDOWN, and, of course, to Keith Olbermann (I found your show with Bill Moyers and have the DVR set!), have a great weekend!

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Friday, December 14, 2007 9:42 PM)

Keith: Thanks for the shameless plug for your appearance on Bill Moyers' Journal. I checked my program schedule and found, much to my delight, that it was on my local PBS station right after Countdown.

It was a great interview and I hope that many of my fellow newsholers here get the opportunity see it. Hell, it might even convince those right wing chuckleheads Larry and Marky of the errors of their ways but I'm not holding my breath. Opening the piece with that famous clip of the late Peter Finch from Network was masterful and summed up my feelings quite well.

The Moyers piece on media cross ownership right was a real eye opener too. Thanks...now I'm even madder than "mad as hell"!

Samuel, Lincoln, NE (Sent Friday, December 14, 2007 9:46 PM)

Attorney General & Puppet Michael Mukasey announced today that:

a.) He sees NO reason to turn over White House documents regarding the destruction of the CIA torture tapes because they would only be “politicized!!” Excuse me Puppet Mukasey, you are the Attorney General of and for the United States of America; you are NOT White Counsel to President Stupid!! (Thanks again Diane Feinstein)

b.) Mukasey then stated he “sees no reason that a special prosecutor be assigned to investigate the CIA’s destruction of the tapes;” what the White House knew, when they knew it, etc. etc. etc.

NEWSFLASH PUPPET!! All documents pertaining to the illegal activities of the CIA in both the torturing of detainees/prisoners and the destruction of said evidence violates the laws of this country!! In addition, such torture violates the Geneva Conventions and International Human Rights treaties in which the United States is a signatory of!! In addition, all evidence must be preserved in accordance with US law if there is foreseeable litigation, there is (from the tortured detainees)!! Congress is the “Legislative Branch” of the government; I must remind you as your rhetoric makes it unmistakable you, along with President Stupid and his thugs, have forgotten about this Branch – you know, the one that writes legislation, etc. etc.!! Congress is not only within its rights to demand all documents; it is their duty to inspect every document pertaining to these tapes and the illegal destruction of them!! It is also their duty to proceed accordingly, i.e. legal action you idiot!!

Announcing “Gonzo – The Sequel”!! Excuse me while I go scream!!

Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California (Sent Friday, December 14, 2007 10:06 PM)

OK I know I might be nit-picking here,but why can we see video clips on all other stories from the Fri show EXCEPT the one on FISA. Don't get me wrong,God forbid we miss some earth-shattering gossip on Miss Brit(Does that make this Brit-picking?)but come on,I mean I use this show as my #1 news source!
BTW-Lovin' the new Bushed feature!

Tony, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Friday, December 14, 2007 10:27 PM)

Make sure you email your local Republican Senator and thank them for this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22264311/

Just how low are conservatives prepared to go?

Oh, and while your at it, you may want to drop a line to thank Schumer and Feinstein for taking the lazy way out and picking Mukasey just because "anybody would be better than Gonzales".

john,cleveland,ohio (Sent Friday, December 14, 2007 10:51 PM)

I see the term "Allah" was cleared up, above.
Please also note a correction to your guest's comment about 8 days in Hannukah during the last "5 thousand" years is in error. That holiday commemorates an event only about 2200 years ago. But right about exactly 8 days long.

Bob Aronsohn (Sent Friday, December 14, 2007 11:05 PM)

So Gun Laws don't keep criminals from getting guns.

Remember, it will take time for the Law to arrive if you, or your loved ones are under immediate threat.

David Molinero (Sent Friday, December 14, 2007 6:13 PM)

David -- As to your first point, murder laws don’t prevent all murders, either. Should we get rid of murder laws because sometimes they’re broken? As to your second point, when a 4-year-old child gets hold of his parents’ gun and accidentally kills his 2-year-old brother, the brother is just as dead as he would be if he were shot by an intruder. In fact, I believe I’ve read somewhere that people who keep guns in their homes are far more likely to injure themselves or their families than they are to encounter the bogey man. Either way, there’s lots of risk and tragedy associated with guns.

I found it interesting that in one of the recent republican presidential debates, the only candidate who claimed not to own a gun (or at least have a family member who owned a gun) was the only candidate who actually had substantial firsthand experience with guns -- John McCain. That told me a thing or two. How about you?

By the way, what do you think about waterboarding? McCain doesn’t like that, either.

Anna Molly (Sent Friday, December 14, 2007 11:33 PM)

No matter how Rudy tries to reinvent himself, he is still completely unqualified to be president. His only two qualifications are that he was mayor of New York on 9/11 (and not too damn popular on 9/10) and that he is not Hillary Clinton. There were lots of mayors on 9/11, none of whom are Hillary Clinton and I don't think they are qualified to be president.

Rudy isn't qualified to be anything much except the greedy, lying, adulterous cheat that he is. He is totally full of crap and we have had 7 years of that already.

Rudy, go play with your wife and/or your mistress and stop trying to impress us. We're not buying.

disgusted, tx (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 12:24 AM)

Pam Bignardi CA. Dear Pam after reading your post about the two Willies {Mays,McCovey} I would like to tell you a little story.I grew up in Tucson AZ,it was back in the late 50's early 60's.The cactus league had spring training all over AZ The Cleavland Indians were in Tucson the Gaints were in casa grande.My father dropped me off early one Sat.morning.The Giants were in town to play the Indians,I was about 9 or 10, behind the little stadium were the practice fields it was really early and I heard some balls being hit so I went to investigate and low and behold at the batting cage stood Mays and McCovey and there wasn't any body there but the three of us when Mays was finished he said here kid and tossed me a ball and then and they just walked away.Im always thought it was one of the most amazing things that ever happend to me.It was like when Mean Joe gives the kid the jersey in the commercial

B. T. Paul Sandy Valley NV (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 12:51 AM)

Hopefully Dana Milbanks was just poking fun at Billo's sense of chronology when Dana said that Hanukkah has been 8 days long for the LAST 5000 YEARS since Hanukkah celebrates the Macabeean revolt in the 2nd century BCE (2000 years ago).

Todd, Lakewood, CO (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 1:02 AM)

Enjoyed the interview on Bill Moyer's Journal (featured at 1am cst on New Orleans' PBS station), I liked how you answered young journalist's questions with great candor, eloquence and respect. Regarding the story that followed, Commissioner Martin of the FCC is a real tool. His insistence to go through with the FISA amendment and COMPLETELY ignore the voices of the American people, as well as the complaints of the congressional committee, is transparent. No shame, no qualms...scary. Miss Teen South Carolina would be a better representative than Commissioner Martin...and like, such as.

Jackie, Covington, LA (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 4:31 AM)

Thanks to my hubby for calling me like it was an emergency to watch Keith on Moyers. He interrupted his Laker's game so I could see Keith..now that's a good man. Verrrry nice interview.

I'll be back later.

Laura in Los Angeles (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 4:45 AM)

Seems like we're going about this presidential election thing all wrong...why not a civil service test, an IQ test, followed by a session with a lie detector? It would be nice to have a president (again) with an IQ higher than his/her age.
What are the candidate's IQs, anyway?

KT, Silver Springs, NY (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 8:01 AM)

Huckabee Agrees That Wives Should 'Submit Graciously' to Their Husbands

This is the the GOP front runner. Urp, I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. Please American people, be sensible and don't vote in another four years of fundamentalist cave-men. Please!

As for the rest of the news..It is too painful to contemplate. Are Pelosi and Reid rolling over on their backs so GW can rub their tummies?? Absolutely disgusted.

LT in MD Someone Please Stop the Madness (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 9:42 AM)

Someone should tell Hillary people are aching for a little democratic dirt that doesn't involve her. I would love a new target for the goofy republicans to attack. I'm more than a little tired of defending all the Clinton baggage. I don't want 4 or 8 years of the same arguements. If the republicans are going to continue thier stratagy of yelling until they get thier way and dividing the country into blue and red or us and them then we should at least make them work at it. Electing Hillary makes thier job to easy.

jen,il (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 9:54 AM)

Mukasey = Gonzo + Brains Oh my. Just when we thought it couldn't get any worse.

Texashogfan (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 10:12 AM)

I found another interesting tiddbit on the Seisint issue.

Government leaders, including the Pentagon, CIA, Treasury, State, and Vice President, met with representatives from Acxion, a rival to Seisint, several times in 2002. Acxion had links with Richard Clark, the Clintons. Acxiom presented a white paper outlining their offerings in July 2002. http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2004/02/23/362182/index.htm

Giuliani Partners was hired by Seisint in Dec 2002. And Jeb Bush, the president's own brother and the governor of Florida where Seisint was located, was one of the matchmakers. The WAPO article describes Tom Ridge nudging Cheney with his elbow, like "Look here, we got our own smart data guy! Who needs Clark?" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43608-2004May20.html

So Seisint was brought in, with a substandard product, specifically to avoid having to contract with a private company that had ties with Bush detractors.

T Shea, Seattle WA (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 10:44 AM)

OK, we get it. Billo is an idiot. Enough. He's too easy a hit. Please, a Billo-free month. And no more Britney Spears in the bra and panties. If you're going to take up the Fox Plan--news with women's cleavage--we want more inspiration and originality.

Alison Brennan, Sacramento, CA (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 11:20 AM)

Where do you get all this stuff? If you figure it all out or get help with it does not matter to me because I think, of all the news media, you get it right and it seems to be more honest. What I have noticed though, is that it appears voters are being pushed into a funnel by the news to focus on the poll driven front runners excluding all others. Then they feed on every mistake like leaches sucking blood and cheer when some one misteps. Spoon feeding the voters instead of reporting the news they are making the news for their own bussiness. I guess to some degree every one is guilty but some are so bad they smell. I hope the voters are smart enough not to elect another Bush. I was a democrat but because I'am so disgusted with all of them and religions as well that I'm an independent voter. Did I see Obama and Bloomberg sitting together on your show yesterday? I don't have a reason but I like Bloomberg. Your cold or allergy seems to be getting better. We need you to stay well. I like Joe Biden and Obama too. I don't have a web site but some of my comments are on the Washington Post Blogs.

Robert Freels, Delaware (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 11:36 AM)

Several things....one of the headlines on the msnbc.com site had "Illinois Congresswoman Julia Carsons dies". Well, that is news to everyone Julia represented in INDIANA. We all know she died this morning but we all thought she was from INDIANA! Silly us.

And there's more.... we are having a major snow storm here in Indiana yet all I hear about is how the snow storm is dumping snow in Illinois, Ohio and Michigan and going on to be a big nor-easter, so we will hear about that all weekend. We are not being spared the snow, just the coverage. I often wonder if Indiana is not on a national map or something.

Krista, I sincerly hope that someone you trust and respect will be elected to fill Julia's shoes. Someone who can jump in and take control and most of all, someone who will listen.

MK, Indianapolis (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 1:53 PM)

The Honorable Rep. Julia Carson (1938-2007) R.I.P. You will be sorely missed.

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 1:58 PM)

Nixon had Rosemary Woods (my memory tells me that's the name of the person who took the blame for the tape erasure - if not, my apologies), Reagan had good ol boy Ollie North and his shredder for all that Iran-Contra evidence, but good ol boy Georgie Bush has to OUTSOURCE all his destruction of evidence.

The government charge card used for the 7 layer wipe of computer hard drives and now the outsourced shredding. I have a feeling that there is so much evidence of wrongdoing in this administration that several corporations and building sized shredders will be necessary before they can start rewriting history.

Until every piece of damning paperwork is destroyed, their denials will continue to be lies. When Mission Accomplished occurs and all the incriminating documents are gone for good, they will be able to deny and lie without consequence. Don't we have laws requiring preservation of documents?

On another note, I thought Dana Perino would make it to WPITW with her comment about the White House Holiday (yes, it was billed as "holiday") Party inviting reporters and news people from places other than Fox News. Read more and watch video here:

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/14/perino-awkward-fox/

Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 2:14 PM)

Keith another good show, and your interview with Bill Moyers was great. (although not long enough)

Mark The Muse, Ohio (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 3:54 PM)

Personally, I like Fred Thompson. He looks like a President, a true conservative, has the name for it and most importantly, an extremely HOT wife! Mark, AZ (Sent Friday, December 14, 2007 5:36 PM)

I’m starting to like you, Mark. Really. You’ve apparently taken my advanced liberal coaching to heart because your talking points have changed slightly since we chatted a day or two ago. And come to think of it, this is the first time I can remember your telling us what you actually think. If it is, of course, what you actually think.

Let’s sum up what you say you think. America will never vote for a black or a woman. But America will vote for a man who looks like a president (i.e. white) because he has an English patronymic surname (did you know, by the way, that Thompson actually derives from Thomas, which is Hebrew in origin and means twin?), because he is a true conservative (which you don’t bother to define), and “most importantly” because he has a trophy wife.

I think you’re finally getting your routine down, Mark. Either that, or I am. Better and better every day. Talk to you again soon, sir.

Anna Molly (likes routine, but hardly ever finds it here) (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 4:02 PM)

Loved Markos Moulitsas.

jen,il (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 4:33 PM)

Keith's interview with Bill Moyers is must-viewing if you get the chance!

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 7:25 PM)

Here's the latest *&%#@! off message from GWB to the courts and the Congress. Check this out:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/15/cia.tapes/index.html

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 7:37 PM)

If Bill-O is such a "Merry Christmas" freak how come he never brings up the fact that the 'official' White House greeting by Laura Bush was "Happy Holidays".

Rich Host San Bernardino, CA (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 8:16 PM)

Hey Countdown -- It looks like Andy Pettitte has the lawyer Martha Stewart should have had. Come out right away, admit something insignificant, and say you’re taking responsibility. Because everyone wants to avoid asterisky complications, it’s case closed, no more questions asked. If it works, I guarantee you’re going to see a lot more of it. And I'm guessing it's going to work. It worked for New England, didn't it.

Anna Molly (asterisky?) (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 8:48 PM)

Hey Keith,

Now that you mentioned it, please tell US the Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, Giuliani story!

Curious in NYC (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 9:16 PM)

Allah tells Mohammed what to do, and it involves death, destruction, violence and paradise for those actions. I knew right away this was BS about what Allah commands, because his command would be to die like the 9/11 hijackers.

FISA is being changed to avoid the international embarrassment of Bushie Boy and Darth Vader to save face for the country, and Tricky Dick was an amatuer compared to these pros. FISA was designed to stop Nixon from spying on anybody who opposed him, sound familiar?

Michael Puke-casey is a Bushie Boy lackey, whick begs the question of prosecuting all who oppose Darth Vader or the Neo-Con masters.

Talvenada, Phila., Penna. (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 9:20 PM)

Hey backwater guy --

I’ve decided to change what I call you. More respectful, I think. I hope you don’t mind.

I was in a hurry when I answered you the other day. You never ask innocent questions, so I decided to go back and revisit your tomboy and fullback questions. I did some research (I AM good with the internets) and, after slapping myself for stupidity, as usual, I decided I might qualify as a tomboy, after all. You’re so smart, you rascal, I’ll let you imagine how. Actually, I think you already know.

In high school, I did date the quarterback, but I never played fullback in the sense YOU mean, backwater. (You are so bad. Where DO you hang out, anyway?) In those days, my problem required a whole other strategy, often involving giving out the wrong phone number. After reading an article on a girl who really played fullback, I decided that, if I had played football, I probably would have been a kicker. Better suits my temperament.

You devil. I’m pretty sure you view this as mental waterboarding. But I was a Girl Scout, so I’m prepared. It’ll take more than 35 seconds, that’s for sure. Keep trying.

Anna Molly (: (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 9:48 PM)

Friday, Dec 14
More Cuts Coming At MSNBC?
Jossip reports today that N.S. Beinstock, agency to many in the TV news industry, is negotiating exit deals for a "slew" of MSNBC employees. That would mean the few names reported today to be leaving the peacock network (with Davidson Goldin being the only MSNBC staffer) could be the tip of the iceberg.

It's important to note these wouldn't be firings, but buy-outs, according to Jossip.
Tribune Media Net

David Molinero (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 11:01 PM)

Great Countdown and great Bill Moyers show last night.

Now, I dare Keith NOT to do any sort of reference to the following two items:

1. This headline that appeared in The Trentonian following the Mitchell Report:
http://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles/Headline_Clemens_Took_It_in_the_Butt/44033

2. The incredible new work the classical music world has breathlessly awaited: the Orally Oratorio!

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/12/15/the-bill-oreilly-opera-mackris-v-oreilly/

(Warning: do not follow above link unless you are fully prepared to laugh your kiester off. You have been warned.)

Tru M., Cleveland, Ohio (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 11:11 PM)

Scully -- What do you think about Senator Obama and Elizabeth Edwards? She brings a certain amount of passion to the ticket and a helpful skillset. Mark from AZ keeps saying that a black or a woman can’t get elected, but you have to discount anything he says because, after all, he is just a troll, although he seems to be taking my advice. Maybe America will see the light one of these days. But now Mark says vote for Fred Thompson because he looks like a president. I just don’t know what to think. By the way, now that Senator Obama has come clean about his background, it looks like some people may not always have addressed him with the respect he deserves for being so honest. I still say Obama/Edwards in ’08. I’m glad to hear you’re a baseball fan, Scully. Me, too. What did you think of the asterix controversy? I thought it was an icy shame, but all too predictable.

Anna Molly (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 11:35 PM)

john,cleveland,ohio (Sent Friday, December 14, 2007 10:51 PM)

What does the Dems in the Gang of Eight say on this? I would find that more compelling then this, as the Gang of Eight viewed the Tapes, or at lest, it was available to them.

I do not have the same conclusion as this author, but he does lay out who the Gang of Eight is, and what they are for.
http://libertydoesnotmarchabroad.blogspot.com/2007/10/gang-of-eight.html

Every system has it's strengths and weakness, and the GoE is no different. But as I see it, it's better then informing even more members of Congress.

A Secret known by more the one person, is already compromised. Dave Weber-A Short Victoious War.

David Molinero (Sent Saturday, December 15, 2007 11:46 PM)

Keith--I wholly look forward to the release of "Truth and Consequences." But I must say, the fact that I have to wait until the day AFTER Christmas to purchase it can only be considered a part of the war on [my] Christmas! :P

Erica, Mission Viejo, CA (Sent Sunday, December 16, 2007 12:58 AM)

Los Angeles Times Sunday December 16 Honey I Shrunk the President

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-haidt16dec16,0,7492943.story?coll=la-opinion-center

Laura in Los Angeles (Sent Sunday, December 16, 2007 6:40 AM)

The sage of those destroyed CIA tapes will continue..so that none of us forget..here's El Presidente's answer to ALL the tapes..

http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/denver/stein/2007/12/destroying_tapes.html

Laura in Los Angeles (Sent Sunday, December 16, 2007 7:17 AM)

One for which I'm sorry that I ever brought up (over and over again). W Shaheen, TakeOneForTheTeam, NH (Sent Friday, December 14, 2007 2:28 PM)

TakeOneForTheTeam – Apology accepted.

Your pal, Hillary (Sent Sunday, December 16, 2007 9:34 AM)

The future comes one day at a time ...

Chinese Fortune Cookie (Sent Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:33 AM)

True bravery is often without witness ...

Chinese Fortune Cookie (Sent Sunday, December 16, 2007 11:29 AM)

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