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Countdown Wednesday: Let's Play the Feud

Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:59 PM by Countdown
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A House DividedBefore the Iowa Caucuses those who might have seen impending political cannibalism... saw it wearing **Republican** colors. Our fifth story on the Countdown: maybe not. One Democratic presidential candidate hinting she and her supporters will back whoever is nominated. But a second hinting... just the opposite. The third... Senator John Edwards... joins us tonight.

GOP Money: Mike Huckabee has people working for free..Rudy Giuliani has people working for free.. And John McCain actually left the campaign trail in search of money. Our fourth story on the Countdown, the men who are promising to help fix America's economy, apparently having problems just managing their own finances.

ODDBALL: A sasquatch on Mars and back to the gulag in a soviet prison camp theme park

935 LiesIf you have ever said, "this administration lied to us a thousand times about Iraq, the war and al Qaeda," turns out, you owe Mr. Bush an apology. In our third story tonight, a new study confirms the administration only lied about those vital matters 935 times. Of course, this does not count so-called "indirect falsehoods" -- like "Iraq has dangerous weapons." The non-profit Center for Public Integrity tallied all the false statements made by eight top members of the administration in the two years after September 11th, including, obviously, the runup to the Iraq war. From the lowest number of lies, to the highest, then, here are the Center's findings.

Tabby Time:  Two names you're unlikely to ever hear paired up in the same sentence again after our nightly minute-45 of celebrity news my producers are forcing me to cover -- Keeping Tabs. Steve Carrell and... Britney Spears. Both spotted at the  LA County Courthouse today. The former -- for jury duty -- he got picked and will be back tomorrow. The latter -- for yet another custody and visitation hearing.

WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD: A Best Buy Store, a Fox Noise Host and Newt Gingrich vie for tonight's top honors.

Heath Ledger, 1979-2008: It's not often that the death of celebrity warrants any more than a brief statement of sympathy from the White House but today was an exception. Our number one story, the death of actor Heath Ledger leading to the rescheduling of a Presidential event.

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I can't even discuss stories 4 and 5; I am literally sick about #3 --no shock --just sick --someone really must ensure George W. Bush & Company pay!!

As Sue says, "we the taxpayers paid good money for Gitmo and there is not reason a fine facility like that should be wasted." Agreed Sue --again!!

They should ALL be sent to Gitmo!!

GOD HELP US SURVIVE THIS LAST YEAR!!
Democrats’ game of chicken?  Chickenspit, you mean.  Where are we going with this?  Take an orange Giuliani and go after the republican chickenhawks, please.  Dems, let’s review -- this is ours to LOSE.    

John Edwards -- Countdown, thank you, thank you, thank you, for pointing out that Senator Edwards is driving the issues debate -- it IS about cartons of milk, and you can bet that poor people will get more cartons with any of the democrats in the White House than they will with any of the republicans.  Right now, I’m thinking VOTE Edwards, for real change.  Veterans -- we can’t let this tragedy continue, for sure.

Republican fundraising -- Despite being deliciously ironic, this issue is a total waste of time, Countdown.  If God wants a republican in the White House, then He’ll put a republican in the White House.  No down payment required.  
“A Democratic House Divided”…I’ll finish the President Lincoln paraphrase…CANNOT STAND. So, Senators Clinton and Obama need to shut the hell up, grow up, and move on! It’s the “Mr. Bill” show again. Oh no! I liked some of what Senator Edwards had to say; some of it was typical Senator Edwards political spin. But, if I hear him say he’s the underdog one more time… Once again, if he’s an underdog after being in the race in 2004 and being the VP candidate in 2004 and basically shacking up in Iowa for however many years and STILL not winning the caucus, he has made himself so.

And, how ‘bout those broke Republican candidates? Isn’t irony delicious? These “we’re the best stewards of taxpayer money” and “we can save the economy” candidates can’t even manage their own stinkin’ campaigns. You think any of them will have the cojones to ask Ron Paul for a loan?

Rachel said the “I” word! All right!! Of course, it’s not going to happen – not now – not after the election even if a Democrat wins the White House. If all those cans of worms were opened up, the complicity of some very high level Democrats would be exposed. They can’t have that. So, even if the Democrats come out on top in November, let the great whitewashing of history begin! There are many of us, though, who will not forget.

Goodnight everyone.
General Petraeus -- Absolutely dead-on right, Countdown.  Success in Iraq is now, has always been, and will always be a constantly shifting target.  At least as long as republicans hold power.  Tomorrow is another day, but we won’t know the results for at least 6 months.  Another $200 billion, please, and as many lives as you care to spare.  

WPitW -- Bathtub Head???  Pull the stopper on this guy and drain his brain.  His coin is oversized, and by definition, inflationary.  

Oddball -- Countdown, please think about this and get back to me.  Is there any scientific reason why it couldn’t have been a TINY sasquatch?

Ahhh, the real Keith number -- 935 lies leading up to the war.  A searchable database of Bush administration lies?  The George Bush Presidential Library.  No, I forgot.  All the documents mysteriously disappeared, or were never created, or something like that.  Countdown, I have no trouble believing that all (or most) of these were deliberate lies, but with all due respect, does it really make a difference?  What are we going to do about this?  I say, send them to Pakistan to perform real counterintelligence work on the Talibani insurgents.  I’m sure the Witch King would be more than happy to show them how it works.  

By the way, here’s the AP story about the study  --

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22794451/
ek, who hopes to #@@%% it warms up soon (Sent Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:13 AM)

ek -- Sorry for the delayed response, but THANK YOU so much for the YouTube link.  That running scene set to Chariots of Fire, etc., was hilarious, in an excruciating sort of way.  But my favorite was the clip set to the Kenny Rogers song I Can’t Unlove You.  To me, that captures the exact essence of the novel and was 3 minutes VERY well spent.  I bookmarked that one, for sure.  This was the perfect way to end my blogging day.  Thanks again.  

By the way, warmer this weekend, but maybe rain.  How about that?  Will we ever catch a break?  Thanks for your condolences, but the Giants won the game fair and square, so I'm not really as upset as I thought I might be, although I probably would have preferred NA to the second half of the game.  We may be housebound again this weekend.  Which novel is next?
Please take this message seriously. Having faithfully watched Countdown every night for 2 years, for the first time you're in danger of losing me and my family. Blame it on the ever increasing spin and 4 years of the 2008 Presidential campaign which came to a head the 3 days preceding the New Hampshire primary when everyone in the MSN including Keith Olbermann pronounced Hillary Clinton DOA only to be dead wrong.

After a few days of relaxing embarrassment, the bury Hillary and Bill yack has started up again. Bill Clinton spoke the truth on the show tonight when he said NO ONE cares about the trumped up fight between Barack and Hillary.

Herbert Hoover Bush has managed to kill the only thing Republicans ever cared about, the economy, people are still dying in droves in Iraq, Cheney wants to bomb Iran, it's cold and we have no heat...and now even Keith Olbermann has joined in with the talking heads who are ignoring the things that are killing us to talk about the Clintons being mean to Obama. Et Tu Keith?

I have never voted for a Clinton in my life. I will joyously vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee this November. I hope the Republicans go the way of the Whigs. Keith Olbermann was the only sane voice on TV and now his credibility is going away. Say it ain't so, Keith....say it ain't so.
Story #3:  Are 935 documented lies enough for impeachment (based on the wild assumption that the Democrats will develop a spine)?  Or do we need a young girl to give Bush a BJ in the oval office?  

The Republicans spent tens of millions to impeach Clinton over a BJ and Bush screws two countries (the U.S. and Iraq) not to mention all the squandered treasure and dead people and he gets away with it.

IT'S TIME TO IMPEACH BUSH AND CHENEY - NOW!
The more I hear John Edwards talk, the more I want to seem him be the next president.  Hillary and Obama both sound like they're saying what their various committees of experts tell them to say.  Edwards is sounds like he knows what he's talking about it.  I certainly feel as if he knows what I'm going through and what I need.  Hillary doesn't have a clue, and I don't think Obama does, either.  Can a millionaire understand the problems of the poor and the working poor?  If that's where you came from, yes.  And I've said it before, but I really haven't heard someone talk as though they "get it" since Robert Kennedy in '68.  Edwards gets it, probably better even than RFK, because Edwards was there.  I see Hillary and Obama as novelties.  With luck they'll soon self-destruct and Edwards can be the nominee.
it was great seeing John Edwards on Countdown tonight. He is the only candidate that is making the poor, the struggling middle class, and the stranglehold of big business on our government, as well as the dire conditions that some of our brave veterans are living in,  moral questions central to his candidacy and now increasingly part of national discourse. Thanks Keith!
I agree with what Obama said today - if Hillary wins the nomination, I will vote for the Republican candidate or perhaps not at all.  There is no way I will vote for Hillary (unless perhaps Obama is her running mate, which I see as very unlikely).  I'd like to see a woman president, but she doesn't have my respect - at all!  She is much too divisive and will not unite this country.  Obama is the best candidate to unite us and is the only one who has aroused my interest in politics again.  If he doesn't get the nomination, there is no hope!  (FYI, I am a middle-aged white woman, if you are keeping score.)
Here’s a link to the original article on the Center for Public Integrity website about the 935 lies --

http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/Default.aspx?src=home&context=overview&id=945

And here is a link to the searchable database itself --

http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/Search/Default.aspx

Ahhhh, reviewing Bush administration lies.  What could be better than that?  If we do get an ice storm this weekend, and there is no football, at least I’ll have something warm, cuddly, and romantic to read in between episodes of the South Carolina democratic primary.    
did ya see FX still showed a Heath Ledger film this morning...I guess the show must go on
did ya see FX still showed a Heath Ledger film this morning...I guess the show must go on
While I have great respect for the message regarding the dwindling middle class and the travesty of conditions engulfing our veterans, as well as for the man, himself, I get weary of Senator Edwards parroting himself with sound-bite-like text/speech.  Perhaps the powers-that-be believe that repetition of message is necessary in order to finally get through to the American people, but it sometimes makes me wonder if he is able to speak of his own volition or if there is a man behind the curtain aspect to his candidacy. In either event, I was part of the working poor to whom he refers until I lost my job this past fall and subsequently the house I rented.  I know I am not alone as the water and electricity of numberous (yes, numerous) neighbors are being cut off and turned back on, on a routine basis.  Our middle class neighborhood has denegrated into a haven for crime and poverty and it is not singular in the town in general and agencies here who help the downtrodden are reporting that they are without funds to assist our homeless or those individuals and families facing homelessness.

As for Mr. Obama's comments today, I did not see him personally opposing support for whomever becomes the Democratic candidate, but only that he was questioning whether or not his supporters would also support Mrs. Clinton.  I believe he has good reason to doubt same as, while I do desperately want a Democratic candidate in the White House this election, I am still hard pressed to say I would ever support Hillary or Bill Clinton again.  Singularly or collectively, the Clinton's frighten and disappoint me.  

I am prayerful for an Obama/Edwards or an Edwards/Obama ticket for November.  They have similar views on what needs to be done and how to do it as well as a sense of comaraderie few in politics seem to share.  
To Amber Fields:  I agree with you about John Edwards.  He doesn't seem to have obligations to corporate interests as do the other candidates.  He speaks softly and seems to be genuinely concerned about the plight of the middle class and the less fortunate.  Hillary is just more of the same old same old (and Bill appears to be losing marbles daily).  Obama is a nice man but Edwards is the one who sounds presidential, calm and clear headed.  It is unfortunate that the main stream media has given so little attention to what this man has to say.
#1. "Brokeback Presidency"? Oh well, any crass port in a storm. #2. Those not busy being Stars, are busy at the LA County Courthouse. #3. To Dubya, it only seemed like 600. 750, Tops! #4. Compared to what Halliburton is knocking down in Iraq, Dubya's got the troops working for free. Republican Economics at its' most brazen. #5. Strip'em all down, shave'em, and check'em for Sixes. (When you are bitten by a Vampire, you become a Vampire...Yowzah!)
DAVID MOLINERO,

Bushed #51:  missing e-mails for over a 1 yr. pd. & Bushed #52:  935 times of misspeaking and the other 50.  And you and NV Scott are worried about The Dems??  That's rich!!!  

I feel no anger or hate; but in every regime, admin. or dictatorship, the people who benefit most or agree w/ their thinking  see ALMOST no fault w/ their leadership.  So, now it's The Neo-Cons who will be doing things in a way they do NOT approve of, which means Bleeding-Heart Libs caring about what happens to lazy failures.  If they want health care, they can pay out of pocket; or we'll become a 3rd world country.

Take heart guys, The Publicans, Conservs & Neo-Cons will do whatever it takes to strip The Exec. Branch of all its power; and, IF they can, give it to The Sup. Ct. until they can get back in power in other branches.  I know your pain w/ HRC being The Queen w/o ever doing anything to claim being the decider.
I tivo so I am talking about last night's show.  Fineman is anti Clintons and pro Obama so he should recuse himslef from comment.  Every chance he gets on any NBC show he makes statements to that effect.  He also continually says Obama will unite the parties.  That is exactly what Geroge W ran on in 2000. he did it and it got us into IRAQ!!!. I hate the partisan politics too but Obama is not going to change this any more than Bush did and see where it got us.
"Sorry, but I don't recall Obama calling the Clinton's racists. I do recall Obama stating that Bill Clinton had a great affinity with the African American community (which he has and does). But can you share with us the exact quote from Obama where he called the Clinton's racists?"

C A, Tuscaloosa, AL (Sent Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:36 PM)

I don't recall saying Obama called the Clintons racist. Please present the evidence.
Perhaps you could try leading by example yourself.
Jocelyn, Rockville, MD (Sent Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:35 PM)

Now you, Jocelyn, have misread MY posts --also, please take your own advice --your first post I took to heart; this is just rude and you are wrong.

I posted a lengthy response to you; I hope News Hole posts it --I'm sorry you can't accept Obama's invoking Reagan as a major gaffe and blunder; I still, like originally, maintain it was --I am attempting to get off the subject as I feel it is hurting Obama --ironically, the ONLY people who keep bringing it up at nausea are the Obama supporters --mirror please!!

So go on; keep reminding ALL of us that Obama compared his campaign to Reagan's; keep reminding us that Obama stated “the republicans had all the ideas (never stated they were bad to boot); keep stating Obama insulted Bill Clinton by using him in the same sentence with Richard Nixon while praising Reagan --go ahead; it will continue to hurt him --so sorry for trying to help Senator Obama –I won’t again!!

You also may want to admit when your candidate makes a mistake Jocelyn; perhaps then YOU can lead by example --for no one is ever right all of the time --it appears to me that's how the Obama supporters feel about him --it's not appealing to me --I'm sure it's not appealing to others in the United States of America either --no one is perfect!!

PEACE!!
" If God wants a republican in the White House, then He’ll put a republican in the White House.  No down payment required." Anna Molly (: (Sent Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:11 PM)


What about the Supreme Court? Best not to leave them out of your plans...
This is the third post to this blog but I have yet to see any one posted.  Why?  Is it because I defend the dragon Hillary against that light weight pretender that has 39% of the democrats and independents fooled into thinking that he is any different than any other candidate? The debate finally showed Obama for the politician he really is, all the hype by the pundits aside, I agree with Bill Clinton that the voters want someone who can do the job for a change.  To me it isn't Obama.  He is a rookie who the republican machine will destroy.  Whining about the Clintons.  If he thinks this is tough, just wait, if he manages to get the nomination. I do think Edwards could win votes in the south, but I don't think he is tough enough either.  I like his rhetoric better than the kumbyah of Obama, "Why can't we all just get along?"  Because we all don't agree, that's why!
I have never voted for a Clinton in my life. I will joyously vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee this November. I hope the Republicans go the way of the Whigs. Keith Olbermann was the only sane voice on TV and now his credibility is going away. Say it ain't so, Keith....say it ain't so.
Joe Wasson (Sent Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:53 PM)

Amen Joe!! The entire post --excellent and spot on!! It's nice to see that there are people like you who do "get it"!! I, too, will vote for a democrat --although I have always voted for a democrat because their beliefs, values and things they fight for are in line with my ideals!! Also, thank you for pointing out that Bill Clinton was absolutely correct --he refused to allow the media to continue this --KUDOS to him --now let's hope Senators Clinton and Obama grow up and follow suit!! Yes, Jocelyn, I can and do judge my own!!

Krista --you are correct; it was nice to hear Edwards --I could even handle some of his ever so obvious political spin --at least he's not acting like a toddler!!

DesertStormVet --from an earlier thread --please let me know if you need help with letters or phone calls --you can email me at pdbignardi@cox.net --God Bless you!!

PEACE!!
News Hole; I appreciate the update tonight; however how about an update for the west coast viewers that, due to the time difference, usually watch the second airing of your show --like I usually have to?

Thank you for your consideration!! --Great show tonight!!

PEACE!!
OBAMA/EDWARDS  08!   PPSSSstttt.Hillary can't win
If Hillary gets the nod and goes up against McCain,she loses. I really do think that's the way it will turn out. Whatever is going on between Hillary and Obama and Bill Clinton will be there downfall. Like I have said before they will find someway to f*** it up. How dumb can you be.
As unhappy as I am about the whole campaign to date, here's hoping John Edwards can continue making points as the grown-up.

And as unfortunate as Dodd's dropping out of the race was, here's hoping he can make a lot more noise on FISA--please have something on that story!

David Molinero(Jan.22,2008)

You are butting you head against the wall if you think you are going to get any intelligent discourse with this crowd regarding socialism, fascism,or for that matter any "ism" with this group for they are sadly steeped in a life long tit-sucking illness called liberalism.  Do what I do-sit back and listen to them crow, you might even deem their rants cathartic.
I have been a democrat all of my 62 years, but if hillary clinton is the democratic nominee i intend to campaign and vote for WHOEVER the republican nominee is.The clintons are a disgrace not only to the democratic party,but also to the country.Why do you people continue to quote the only president in history to be disbarred while still in the white house? He is a liar. The courts said he was a liar. HE said he was a liar. What is wrong with you people?How can you give weight to ANYTHING he says? Don't you remember when their ex-friend(David Geffen) said last year that it was troubling how the clintons lied with such ease? And by the way,everytime hillary clinton is asked about her not reading the WMD report on Iraq she says that she was briefed, BUT WHO BRIEFED HER? From what i understand ,at the time she cast that vote her staff did not have security clearance.So, WHO BRIEFED HER? Was it bill clinton,the same bill clinton who weeks ago said that he was always against the war? Finally, I wish someone would ask the "first black president"  why he let a mentally retarded black man(Ricky Ray Rector) be executed while he was still governor and running for president in 1992, why he reversed his pledge to allow Haitians to stay in the U.S. (like  Cubans are allowed) , why he turned his back on Lani Guinier and Joycelyn Elders, why he passed the unfair crack/cocaine bill, why the record on civil rights in Arkansas was so poor,why he only golfed at all white golf clubs until he got caught and had to apologize,etc. This man is the karl rove of the democratic party and and i hope, if hillary is nominated,that karl hands him his head! Lord knows karl has much to work with. I can't believe i am thinking this way, but the democratic party has no one to blame but themselves. Ted Kennedy,Al Gore, Peolsi, Reid,Byrd, ALL OF THEM had better do something quick before the clintons bring down the party.
Anna Molly (: (Sent Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:48 PM)


My pleasure, Anna Molly! Right now its about -10, maybe as much as -17 below before morning. Bring on the weekend warmup. The word here is is rain, but that it will be freezing rain. Definitely sounds like another weekend trapped inside.

The novel for this week is Mansfield Park -- not my favorite, but we'll see what they do with it. Alternatively, if that doesn't grab you, I'll put in another plug for North & South on DVD with "my" Richard Armitage -- he does have blue eyes, you know!  Check this out,

http://youtube.com/watch?v=g_FcSm1wUu0
John Edwards is such an opportunist. If bill clinton was running all over Nevada and South Carolina misrepresenting  his record and his platforms don't you think he would respond? Give me a break! And isn't it interesting how hillary isn't crying anymore. Sen.Obama has to face death threats every day, but he never talks about it and he darn sure doesn't cry about it. John Edwards and hillary clinton don't have to deal with this extra added preasure, so John needs to zip it. Sen.Obama didn't first make millions of dollars and then after,decide to be an activist. Sen.Obama was working in the "hood" making $12,000 a year as a community organizer.That is equal to 30 haircuts for John Edwards.
I have been a democrat all of my 62 years, but if hillary clinton is the democratic nominee i intend to campaign and vote for WHOEVER the republican nominee is.The clintons are a disgrace not only to the democratic party,but also to the country.Why do you people continue to quote the only president in history to be disbarred while still in the white house? He is a liar. The courts said he was a liar. HE said he was a liar. What is wrong with you people?How can you give weight to ANYTHING he says? Don't you remember when their ex-friend(David Geffen) said last year that it was troubling how the clintons lied with such ease? And by the way,everytime hillary clinton is asked about her not reading the WMD report on Iraq she says that she was briefed, BUT WHO BRIEFED HER? From what i understand ,at the time she cast that vote her staff did not have security clearance.So, WHO BRIEFED HER? Was it bill clinton,the same bill clinton who weeks ago said that he was always against the war? Finally, I wish someone would ask the "first black president"  why he let a mentally retarded black man(Ricky Ray Rector) be executed while he was still governor and running for president in 1992, why he reversed his pledge to allow Haitians to stay in the U.S. (like  Cubans are allowed) , why he turned his back on Lani Guinier and Joycelyn Elders, why he passed the unfair crack/cocaine bill, why the record on civil rights in Arkansas was so poor,why he only golfed at all white golf clubs until he got caught and had to apologize,etc. This man is the karl rove of the democratic party and and i hope, if hillary is nominated,that karl hands him his head! Lord knows karl has much to work with. I can't believe i am thinking this way, but the democratic party has no one to blame but themselves. Ted Kennedy,Al Gore, Peolsi, Reid,Byrd, ALL OF THEM had better do something quick before the clintons bring down the party.
I have been a democrat all of my 62 years, but if hillary clinton is the democratic nominee i intend to campaign and vote for WHOEVER the republican nominee is.The clintons are a disgrace not only to the democratic party,but also to the country.Why do you people continue to quote the only president in history to be disbarred while still in the white house? He is a liar. The courts said he was a liar. HE said he was a liar. What is wrong with you people?How can you give weight to ANYTHING he says? Don't you remember when their ex-friend(David Geffen) said last year that it was troubling how the clintons lied with such ease? And by the way,everytime hillary clinton is asked about her not reading the WMD report on Iraq she says that she was briefed, BUT WHO BRIEFED HER? From what i understand ,at the time she cast that vote her staff did not have security clearance.So, WHO BRIEFED HER? Was it bill clinton,the same bill clinton who weeks ago said that he was always against the war? Finally, I wish someone would ask the "first black president"  why he let a mentally retarded black man(Ricky Ray Rector) be executed while he was still governor and running for president in 1992, why he reversed his pledge to allow Haitians to stay in the U.S. (like  Cubans are allowed) , why he turned his back on Lani Guinier and Joycelyn Elders, why he passed the unfair crack/cocaine bill, why the record on civil rights in Arkansas was so poor,why he only golfed at all white golf clubs until he got caught and had to apologize,etc. This man is the karl rove of the democratic party and and i hope, if hillary is nominated,that karl hands him his head! Lord knows karl has much to work with. I can't believe i am thinking this way, but the democratic party has no one to blame but themselves. Ted Kennedy,Al Gore, Peolsi, Reid,Byrd, ALL OF THEM had better do something quick before the clintons bring down the party.
I believe Obama was assessing how the supporters feel...not promoting it. I agree with him. I would have voted for any of the Democrats. Now if the nominee is Hillary I know at least 15 people who will not vote for her who would have voted for any of the other leading Dem candidates. In addition to their methods campaigning there are the policies governing. It is all spin. I just read Howard Zinn's History of the U.S. This link is to an abbreviation of the section on Clinton. It was not Bush but it was not good enough to repeat. Bushes and Clintons are not our best options and should not be our only options. http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/ThereAreLies.html
You mentioned a jazz guitarist from Europe.  What was his name?

thanks!
what was the name of the jazz guitarist you mentioned in tonight's show (11/23/08)

Thanks!
As a woman who has more often than not voted for Democratic candidates and who overlooked Bill Clinton’s lack of truthfulness ten years ago with a “this is about his personal life” argument, I am now leaning toward “anybody but Clinton.”

I have had some concerns about Senator Clinton’s candidacy due to her many calculated positions seemingly aimed primarily at getting herself elected President. I was troubled by her apparent lack of candor and willingness to spin just about anything if she thought it would be politically favorable to her.  However, now my apprehension has reached new heights.

In my opinion, she is not showing any better judgment now than her husband did ten years ago.  While I didn’t think his lying about his extra-marital, sexual behavior rose to the level of an impeachable offense, I was embarrassed that a President whom I saw as otherwise highly intelligent could be so stupid as to put himself and his office in such a compromising position.  

I now have a very different opinion of this former President and find myself both sad and angry.  Now I see the debacle he got himself into ten years ago perhaps more the result of out-of-control arrogance than mere stupidity.  His willingness once again to tarnish the office of the Presidency because of his egotistical need to “win” provides a new measure of the man.  

And that is the crux of my newly escalated apprehension regarding his wife’s candidacy—for now it appears that he wants to win and, it seems pretty clear, that he sees her candidacy as his to win.  What makes anyone think that he won’t see her Presidency as his to run?  And Mrs. Clinton apparently does not find Mr. Clinton’s recent behavior on the campaign trail repugnant, damaging to the Office of the Presidency, or at the very least inappropriate. Even if Mrs. Clinton does disapprove of her husband’s over-the-top behavior as she may have his sexual peccadilloes, her obvious inability to rein him in reminds us that she has never been able to do so.

This entire matter doesn’t speak well for Mrs. Clinton’s judgment or ability to make important command decisions.  Not a glowing endorsement.
935 lies..is that all! Shoot, my mother gave me a whipping if I told one lie. Not for the bad thing I did, but for lying. It's obvious this guys mother or father never laid a hand on him..they should have. Now look what we ended up with. Let this be his legacy..935 lies and counting. Can we get on with the impeachment now?

John Gibson..despicable. Just heard him on Abrams. His snarky comment about the death of Heath Ledger. The far right fringe are busy making trouble again.







Kieth, I watched your interview with John Edwards and you asked him the question would he support who ever the democrats select as thier nominee, which he replied yes he would, good question but not the whole question. The question should have been would he support who ever the American people ELECT as president? Republican or Democrat.
I really enjoyed seeing John Edwards on the show last night.  The news is always about the two front runners and maybe he will spring forth and be a front runner.  He makes more sense than the rest of the pack.   I hope people don't forget him and his message.  Kerry should have endorsed him, not that it would have made a big difference, but he was his running mate after all.
Thank you for giving John Edwards and the issues a place on your program. Its so much more enlightening than the constant bickering between the other candidates.  Please keep the issues front and center.
Some may have seen Obama's statement that he would get Hillary's votes if he won the nomination and that she may not get his if she were nominated as grandsatnding. I saw it as nothing but fact. This race has me worried to a degree. Do not, and I'll repeat, do not underestimate the Republicans ability to get behind a candidate and to be a very powerful force in the general election. And Bill, you might as well stop complaining to the press about what they cover because if Hillary wins the Dem nomination these back and forth personal battles between the Clinton camp and Obama are going to look like child's play once the republicans get involved. And you Mr. Bill will be right in the middle of the bull's eye for the republicans. They know if they can bring you down then Hillary has no chance in hell of winning the general election. As Hillary stated the other night. Things are just warming up.  

Regarding the 935 lies, the spineless Dems should have called for impeachment long ago. But Bush will not be impeached and thanks to him as well as the spineless Dems future Presdients will be given the green light to lie and to deceive at will. No President, Dem or Republican, should be able to lie and deceive the Amercian people without a real and swift threat of impeachment hanging over their heads and that history can show has been carried out. Unfortunately our history is going to show just the opposite.  
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Thanks for giving Edwards some air-time.
We're all sick to death of Obama's whining and posturing. Why has he been annointed? "I don't know who I'm running against!" WHAAAA! If he can't handle being questioned by fellow dems in their own primaries how's he going to hold up against the Repugs in the real ting?
Edwards has remained on-task and has held a consistant position (when he's been granted time to actally speak) throughout this brutal campaign. He deserves to be heard.
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Jason (Sent Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:40 PM)

A very intriguing post, sir.  I was particularly interested in your question about the environment.  Unfortunately, as you suggest, we’re so caught up in whether the Clintons or the Obamas are racist -- and even more in who started the argument -- that we don’t even blink at the news that Beijing is still so polluted -- even after 9 years of efforts to remediate -- they will have to take drastic measures to improve air quality, even temporarily, for the upcoming summer Olympics.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/24/sports/othersports/24mask.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/24/world/asia/24beijing.html?hp

It’s no surprise to me that so few environmental questions have been asked of the candidates.  This is a tough, technical issue, and one that is not readily adaptable to sound bites and the glib answers that politicians like to give.  I posted some information on this on the previous thread.  As I am currently studying John Edwards’ candidacy, here are two links to explanations of his position on the environment.  

http://www.grist.org/feature/2007/07/31/edwards_factsheet/
http://www.whatsmyco2.com/climate-change-information/election-2008/Edwards.php

Like Senators Obama and Clinton and Congressman Kucinich, Senator Edwards has proposed substantial reductions in greenhouse gases and carbon emissions.  My review of republican positions indicates that none of them are any more realistic about global warming than the current administration, and some are even less.  If this is a big issue to you, and it should be, then your candidate has to be a democrat.

After 7 years of the Bushies, it ought to be obvious that our current economic policy model is no longer viable.  The democratic candidates in general have proposed changes to this model, while republicans tend to rely on same-old, same-old.  John Edwards has articulated a plan that he calls “reversing the war on work.”  He called for middle-class tax relief well in advance of the stimulus plan the Bushies are now scrambling to adopt in order to avoid disaster.  As Senator Edwards stressed on Countdown last night, his plan concentrates the relief on the populations that need it most.  All in all, Edwards is currently driving the economic policy debate -- at least among the democrats.

http://www.johnedwards.com/issues/tax-reform/
Thanks for your lovely message Pam. You and I have moved in different directions in this presidential election year. Hillary Clinton was my first choice way back when until I read about Dennis Kucinich. Unfortunately, he was unable to garner much support. I was very impressed with Barack Obama when he made his speech in Springfield, IL announcing his candidacy almost one year ago and I've maintained my support for him ever since.

But I appreciate your passionate debates here. As long as we are all able to agree to disagree without beating each other up. We're democrats and as you and many others here keep reminding us all, we do need to unite if our goal is to get a democrat nominated in November.

The 30 something year olds are pretty disgusted with us baby boomers from what I've been reading. Mostly at the thought of having Bill Clinton back in the oval office. He really needs to tone down his rhetoric or believe me, the democratic party will be divided. Right now Hillary Clinton's negatives are pretty high and if she in fact becomes the nominee, we may have a problem.

The ME Generation. Ugh. I, for one, am more than ready to pass the torch. But that doesn't mean it's gonna happen.

My boss has been spending the last three days trying to figure out a way to get to the Super Bowl. All his friends are going. And normally he'd go, but he's getting married in 2 mos and I don't think his bride-to-be appreciates him spending approx. $3,000.00 on a football game what with wedding and honeymoon costs. It's really funny watching him try to figure this thing out. It's killing him.

My money is on his friends bailing him out. Stay tuned.
Whatever happened to that war thing we were all so excited about last year? Countdown touched on this issue last night, but here’s some more information. This is why General Petraeus is reluctant to say we’ve turned the corner.  We haven’t.  

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/24/world/middleeast/24sunni.html?hp

American-backed Sunni militias who have fought Sunni extremists to a standstill in some of Iraq’s bloodiest battlegrounds are being hit with a wave of assassinations and bomb attacks, threatening a fragile linchpin of the military’s strategy to pacify the nation.  At least 100 predominantly Sunni militiamen, known as Awakening Council members or Concerned Local Citizens, have been killed in the past month, mostly around Baghdad and the provincial capital of Baquba, urban areas with mixed Sunni and Shiite populations, according to Interior Minister Jawad al-Bolani. At least six of the victims were senior Awakening leaders, Iraqi officials said. Violence is also shaking up the Awakening movement, many of whose members are former insurgents, in its birthplace in the Sunni heartland of Anbar Province. On Sunday, a teenage suicide bomber exploded at a gathering of Awakening leaders, killing Hadi Hussein al-Issawi, a midlevel sheik, and three other tribesmen. Born nearly two years ago in Iraq’s western deserts, the Awakening movement has grown to an 80,000-member nationwide force, four-fifths of whose members are Sunnis. American military officials credit that force, along with the surge in United States troops, the Mahdi Army’s self-imposed cease-fire and an increase in Iraqi security forces, for a precipitous drop in civilian and military fatalities since July.  But the recent onslaught is jeopardizing that relative security and raising the prospect that the groups’ members might disperse, with many rejoining the insurgency, American officials said.  ‘There’s a recognition that sustained attacks cannot continue,’ said a United States official who was not authorized to speak publicly. ‘We’ve got to break that.’ The official said that American military and intelligence officials were taking the threat to the Awakening movement ‘very seriously.’

I heard this morning that Senators Clinton and McCain are running neck and neck in the national polls, even though McCain has tied him inextricably to Bush's failed war policies.  How is this possible, you ask?  It's possible because we've stopped talking about it, that's how.
Keith, I did not see a correction to the Clinton lie that you repeated on Tuesday's show. You "reported" that Obama stated that the Republicans had "great ideas".  If you checked your facts Obama never made such a statement.   It has become an issue in this campaign, and to not make a correction hurts your credibility. Wednesday's program had a segment on the 935 lies that the Bush administration made to get us into the war.  Sadly, most of the media repeated the lies, and did not question the administration.  The lies were made right at the midterm elections, and Congress seeing that they could get no cover from the media fell in line with Bush (see votes by Clinton and Edwards).  Now you are doing the same thing.  Both Bill and Hillary Clinton have stated that Barack Obama said that the Reagan and the Republicans had the good ideas, and then made this lie an issue in Nevada, and in South Carolina.  Instead of reporting the facts you are repeating the lie.  Without a correction and a clarification you should place yourself in tonight's segment of Worst Persons in the World.


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