http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspxPress Conference Bird Bombed: Mister Bush, crapped upon both literally and figuratively in the Rose Garden this morning. First by an hour of hard questions, second by the bird that pooped on his suit. But the message of the day: If the people of thisen-USCommunityServer 2.0 (Build: 60608.1)http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203495Fri, 25 May 2007 01:01:23 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203495Bridgette Beneshe, Brunswick, GAOk, sorry for this one, Mr. Olbermann. I knew about those translators back in 2002. This is just them working on their appeal process. Six of them- HALF our Farsi translators- were sacked back just after the World Trade Center Towers fell.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203497Fri, 25 May 2007 01:02:55 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203497LA, SeattleA couple of thoughts... The Iraq funding bill without timetables for withdraw passes, the head of the justice department completely clueless about the law, the department of defense firing Arabic language experts because they are gay, 60 year-old having twins, and now I have to worry about the terrorists wanting to harm David Gregory's children - - Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit drinking (although the bird poop incident was poetic justice). http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203499Fri, 25 May 2007 01:04:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203499terrorfied, Houston, TXYour show missed a major mess-up that Bush did during the staged and planned "news" conference. The mistatement and misdiredicted point that he gave Mr. Chen from Rueters News........clearly showed that Pres. Bush KNEW exactly who, what, where, when, why, and how he was going to call and be asked a question given by a particular reporter. It clearly showed that this news conference is completely false and politically, morally, religiously, militarily, organically staged. http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203513Fri, 25 May 2007 01:16:52 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203513Chris Eldridge, Harrisburg PAKnowing what we know now about all the lies and divisive deceit for going to war, I feel that those who voted to continue funding it are now EVERY BIT guilty of WAR CRIMES as the administration. Thanks Biden et all! We hope to see you all in NUREMBERG! Unfortunately (to them), this war has only just begun. The democrats and republicans have BOTH made it quite clear they are going to act tough on Iran. They know full well that the American people would NEVER allow them authorize another war, so in part I agree with John Dean that the president would - in all likelihood - just go ahead and attack, landing us in an even more bloody and even more illegal war with absolutely nothing to do about it but complain. In a large part, I believe the defeatocrats are in agreement with this as why else would they have pulled the SPECIFIC WORDING from their new funding bill that would have expressly prohibited the trigger-happy administration from attacking Iran. That to me is the ultimate ‘wink and nod’ and might even be why they’ve given him his money… not for Iraq but for a completely new war with Iran. When you think about it, the Iraqi civil war, which the neocons could only lay awake dreaming about at night, has now methodically worked its magic and has given us all the excuse we need to stay in Iraq or the excuse we need to expand the war and attack Iran and Syria, which has been the real goal this whole time. All I can say America, is if you thought you knew what war was, wait till you go trotting off on your next crusade. Not only hasn't Iran been suffering from a 15-year arms embargo like Iraq was, they have no sectarian divisions, which means the only people that will be in their cross-hairs is US. They've spent 15 years purchasing top-notch Soviet era weapons at bargain basement prices after the Soviet collapse. Soviet weapons such as the SU 29 and the Mach 2 anti-ship missile the US Navy is so afraid of are far better than many westerners care to acknowledge.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203514Fri, 25 May 2007 01:18:09 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203514gloria berlinghoff, cordova, TNPlease go back & review the Bush tape "on the lawn"... he referred to us as SOUTH AMERICA!!! -- even in a fixed news conference he manages to screw up! Thank goodness for the bird!http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203521Fri, 25 May 2007 01:31:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203521Tru M., Cleveland, OhioComments for tonight: First, will someone find that bird and reward it with an extra worm or something? I believe it spoke for all of us today. I guess dumping a load of crap was the theme of the press conference--too bad Bush did most of it. Second: Keith, what's your problem with the 60-year-old woman having twins? As you said about the gay Arabic language experts, "What's it to ya?" Again, to put it your way, cracking jokes about her entering the retirement home makes YOUR life better how? Just asking. I guess I expected a bit more in the way of tolerance from someone of your caliber. Please don't disappoint me. And finally...while I enjoy the Princess, thank goodness American Idol is finally over. People may finally change channels to something else and notice that the democracy they live in is dying all around them. I doubt it, though.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203522Fri, 25 May 2007 01:31:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203522Mary Elliott, Dallas, TexasIt was one of your special comments that got me back involved in politics after years of apathy. After all the hard work leading up to the 2006 elections, with hopes of changing course in this country, I am truly heartbroken over the failure of this Congress. Once again you speak eloquently for us all. I can only weep for the dark days ahead.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203548Fri, 25 May 2007 02:16:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203548beaverdambobOff subject, but just had to pass this on. As a lifelong card carrying democrat, just got a call from the dnc for a donation. I was proud to decline, and stated that when the dems grow a spine and stand up to the shrub and cut off the funds for the war, that I will not donate another dime to the dnc. I will never vote for a republican, but maybe an independant would not be off the radar. I am so dissapointed and ashamed of my party.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203556Fri, 25 May 2007 02:23:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203556Jamie, Chula Vista, CASorry, have to wait until 2100 PST to watch the show-had dinner during the first airing.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203557Fri, 25 May 2007 02:23:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203557Thong Do, So. CaliforniaI think that bird was part of the al qaeda division and a clear example of the president's view that they will attack us at home if we don't fight them over there!http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203560Fri, 25 May 2007 02:26:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203560freedemOf course he had to fire the translators, they all spoke Farsi, if they knew the language who knows what else they might think /snarkhttp://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203563Fri, 25 May 2007 02:35:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203563Joe, Miami, FLYou guys are a bunch of sorry pathetic people. Stop with the crying and complaining. Do something for this country. Wear a uniform and fight instead of hiding behind a bunch of bull crap rhetoric to justify your cowardness. On the way to Iraq, get your idol (i.e. Keith) off his chair and put a set on boots on that boy too! He should be proud of having Bush as Commander in Chief.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203582Fri, 25 May 2007 03:11:16 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203582CEWasn't the 100 BILLION originally supposed to be for a full year and now it's only for four more months????http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203604Fri, 25 May 2007 03:50:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203604Todd, New Orleans, LA"He can lie out of both sides of his mouth at the same time, and if he ever caught himself telling the truth, he'd lie just to keep his hand in." -- Harry Truman, on Richard Nixon. When I read this quote I had a good laugh and thought of the Mad Organ Grinder and the Monkey with the Big Red Button. Sleep tight, America. Please feed the birds.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203615Fri, 25 May 2007 04:03:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203615Donna, Ladd, ILA big reason this administration has for staying in Iraq through September is the Grand Opening of the new US Embassy built in Bagdad and due to open then. It will be the largest and most expensive foreign mission, the 104-acre compound was designed by the Bush administration to be an ultra-secure enclave, which occupies a chunk of prime real estate two-thirds the size of Washington's National Mall. And it only cost us tax payers $592 million dollars. After all, what would he do with it if the US scales back our presence and ambitions there? http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203618Fri, 25 May 2007 04:06:54 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203618Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa#1. "Idolators! Where's My Gilded Cow?" #2. That's nuthin. My cousin Louie's Great-Grandma had a COW when he married a Cub's fan. #3. Since they're linked, in Today's Jargon, shouldn't they be called "Gonzica"? #4. You Dummies! Read His POW-Eye Link Code Messages. That's where the Zoo is. #5. The Iraqi Government will eventually tell us to leave Iraq, and take them with us.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203619Fri, 25 May 2007 04:09:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203619JP So. CaliNow JOE,from Miami, Fl, you brave little gung ho war dog, next time you post an entry on this blogg, I expect to see it from: JOE, in Bagdad, Iraq, and if your not putting you money where you mouth is (some place in Iraq), then shut it up and crawl back from whence rock you escaped from !!!http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203621Fri, 25 May 2007 04:11:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203621Jamie, Chula Vista, CAInternal investigation? Exhaustive investigation? Investigation taking a long time? Whatever! Good God, this guy is an idiot. The only threat to my children is that someone in the future will want to emulate GW Bush! Crikey! Bush is an asswipe, plain and simple. Anybody that still supports him is truly unAmerican. There is no patriotism in blind patriotism. Shame on you 28 percenters. Think about the rest of us when you need to get permission to go to the next state over.! PEACE!http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203643Fri, 25 May 2007 04:44:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203643Victor, Tampa, FLHey Joe in Miami, there are plenty of people who did serve who are against this war. See the IAVA. Are they pathetic?http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203648Fri, 25 May 2007 04:47:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203648Jamie, Chula Vista, CA'You guys are a bunch of sorry pathetic people. Stop with the crying and complaining. Do something for this country. Wear a uniform and fight instead of hiding behind a bunch of bull crap rhetoric to justify your cowardness. On the way to Iraq, get your idol (i.e. Keith) off his chair and put a set on boots on that boy too! He should be proud of having Bush as Commander in Chief. Joe, Miami, FL (Sent Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:35 PM)' Hey 'Joe' you need to step down! I have served my country for 20 years in the USN/USNR, and I've been a Navy wife for over 17 years (not to mention my brothers that have served and will serve again-soon-in Iraq). C A served also, and although I disagree with him, so did Larry in SC, not to mention those on here that I haven't mentioned, and those with lovfed ones serving. Please don't come on here and ass u me ANYTHING! I'm doing what I can. Where are you? In Iraq? In Afghanistan? Probably not. Did you serve? I'm not a coward-I'm a realist. I'm a human. I'm an American VETERAN that is sick and tired of this administration crapping on the very Constitution that I spent 20 years defending! You don't like what is posted here? Go visit the websites devoted to Hannity, O'Reilly or Limbaugh, I'm sure you'd be pleased with what you read, although I can guarantee you that the people that post there will be like the people they cheer for-non veterans. Yeah, like these guys ever had the cajones to walk by a recruiters office, let alone join OUR military. Proud and GW Bush is an oxymoron-get it? PEACE! http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203650Fri, 25 May 2007 04:51:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203650Jamie, Chula Vista, CAHey Mary in Dallas: Double L and double T-lived it my whole life, and always correcting people on the spelling!:)http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203654Fri, 25 May 2007 04:53:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203654Bob W, ChicagoI know this is not the consensus of Keith and most of the writers on this blog, but I think the Dems strategy was doomed from the start because of the insistence of a specific withdrawal timetable. Most of the press that I've seen regarding the likely outcome of this process (including Richard Wolffe) concluded it would end just as it did because the reality is the Dems did not have the votes to override a veto. (See Jonathon Alter's recent article on this same MSNBC website). They also said would not cut off funding for the troops (never mind that Bush is the one vetoing his own funding - it is unlikely most Americans would be aware of these fine points). As a result, I'm not so sure why everyone is so shocked now that this has come to pass. Rather than promising withdrawal timetables, I'm not sure why the Dems didn't simply insist that the Baker-Hamilton Commission recommendations (Bush's own commission) be implemented and that they would only arrange funding to the extent it carries out that strategy. This would keep troops in Iraq (which is unfortunately another reality we will probably have to come to terms with for some time) but their numbers would be reduced significantly and they would be doing what Bush claims to be their real mission - chasing Al Qaeda and containing the Iraqi civil war (but staying out of the middle of it) to Iraq and not spreading to Turkey or Syria or Kuwait. Now an argument could be made that other proposals (including perhaps this one) could have been made before caving so suddenly. That is probably a good point. http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203662Fri, 25 May 2007 05:17:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203662Cathy, Hinsdale, ILThank you, Keith, for giving me the words from your "Special Comment" to send to Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Durbin, Emmanuel, etc. I had such hope after the November election. I lived through the uncertainty of whether or not they would make it. I was so honored to be a voting part of that change and now they dishonor and betray that vote. Thank you for the bird story. There is a God.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203671Fri, 25 May 2007 05:51:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203671Marilyn, West Palm Beach FLI love the show but PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE STOP the coverage of pop non-news. I watch because I care about politics. I do not give a rat's behind about American Idol, Paris Hilton, Anna Nicole, the runaway bride or any of the other obsessions du jour. If you want to fill that last segment with light gossip from inside the beltway, that would be great. As it stands, I just tune out after "Worst Person in the World"...if I wanted to see crap, I'd watch "E". Otherwise, thank you for consistently good programs. http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203689Fri, 25 May 2007 07:42:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203689Sappho, SF Bay Area, CAI live in Pelosi's district and we protest outside her house all the time, because she is NOT doing what we voted her in for, which is to bring the troops home now! http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203746Fri, 25 May 2007 11:26:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203746Liz, Long Island, New YorkEven though the Dems caved to Bush, we ought to spin that to: The Republicans voted against a raise in the minimum wage. Why do the Republicans hate American workers? If people don't watch American Idol, then I really can't see why they would care about watching stories about it on Countdown. Furthermore, if we want E! type news, we can just stay tuned to Scarborough Country. I turn to Countdown and MSNBC for real news, not celebrity gossip.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203750Fri, 25 May 2007 11:32:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203750LA, SeattleJoe - My husband IS serving his country and is heading back over to the hell-hole soon. He feels the same way I do about GW and this war because he has actually SEEN war and grieved over lost comrades. The fact that we can disagree and share our thoughts on a blog like this about what GW and his cronies have done to this great country, and the reason you and others like you can voice your opinion about why (for reasons that completely escape me) you feel "you're doing a great job, Bushie", is why he is why he is proud to serve. It's called DEMOCRACY. http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203759Fri, 25 May 2007 11:49:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203759SL, ChicagoGot to agree with Bob above. The Dems wasted time passing legislation doomed to veto to make a point that won't be remembered. Now they are pressured for time and have to cave. They would have better spent their time working out a passable compromise and gotten some of the unhappy republicans on board. There is a lot of middle ground.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203764Fri, 25 May 2007 11:58:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203764Todd, New Orleans, LAWhat Marilyn from WPB said. Why do we live in a world where the collective We even knows who Paris Hilton is? I know that EVERYONE I know would like to know. What skill or talent has she exhibited that merits such coverage? Can she cure cancer? Walk on water? Bend spoons? If I had known the way to get famous was to be a spoiled, trashy slut I would have skipped the higher education opting instead to hit myself repeatedly in the head with hammer while sleeping with X fueled club trash. I guess that only works if your family owns a huge hotel chain.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203807Fri, 25 May 2007 12:47:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203807Rod, Sioux Falls, SDIn 1983, we sent forces into Lebanon to act as a peace-keeping force. When they were attacked by a massive truck bomb which destroyed their barracks and 243 of them were killed, the U.S. withdrew our forces from a region of the world where the "strong" survive and the weak are crushed. By leaving, we made the terrorists strong and emboldened them to continue to influence the policies of democratic governments around the world through violence. Since that day, attacks have been too numerous to count, but here's a few - Pan Am 103, Achille Lauro, bombing the World Trade Center with a truck bomb in the parking garage, embassy bombings in Africa, killing American troops sent to Somalia for humanitarian missions, bombing of the Kobar Towers (another military barracks) in Saudi Arabia, bombing of the USS Cole, destroying the World Trade Center on 9/11, blowing up trains in Spain (which resulted in changing the outcome of elections), blowing up buses and trains in London, countless car; roadside and i.e.d. bombs in Iraq - all of these events are but for one purpose. That purpose is to make us tired of the horror and suffering and to ultimately lose our will to oppose them and give in to their ideals and wishes. We embolden them with every step back, we reinforce them every time we cry out against their actions and ultimately they win every time because we quit. We rant and rave about the horror and violence, but do nothing about it except try to get away from it. Unless we (America and the rest of the "free" world) understand that there are truly EVIL people in the world who only understand violence in return for their violence, we will ultimately fail as a democracy and be cowed into submission. So, I for one, will back any president who has the bull-headedness to stand strong against those who would do us harm even when the "majority" of Americans want us out of Iraq. I personally don't understand what it will take to convince any of you that there are fights worth fighting, that this is one of them, and if you fight, you MUST win. If we lose - especially in the Middle-East, we will be seen as weak, vulnerable and open to more persuasion via violent means. To the Democrats - quit whining about how wrong the war is, how hard the fight is, and how many of us have been killed - this is a fight that MUST be won at ALL costs. To the Republicans, don't lose your nerve now. You have stood with the President until now and you must continue to stand with him. DO NOT REWARD EVIL AND VIOLENCE BY QUITTING WHEN THE FIGHT IS HARD. Over the 21 years I served this country in uniform, we received orders to do things and go places which ultimately cost the lives of my fellow service-men and women. We wanted to stay and exact a cost from those who killed them. Instead we were ordered to leave and take no further action. If that was the case, why did we go there in the first place? Don't make me ask that question of our elected officials again. They put us there for a mission - one that is not done. Now have the guts, stamina and nerve to actually finish the job. http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203809Fri, 25 May 2007 12:48:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203809Rod, Sioux Falls, SDPam Bignardi; Jamie - Chula Vista; B.A. Buddusky: Your replies are factual in that Iraq was not the "one" responsible for any attacks I listed. However, following the first Gulf war in '91, we signed a cease-fire with Iraq. There was no surrender ala WWI or WWII, only an agreement to end operational hostilities based on several conditions: unfettered access by international inspectors to determine the amount and location of WMD, which had been used prior to the war on their own people - namely the Kurds in the north; destruction of said WMD; no-fly zones in the north to protect the Kurds and in the south to protect the Shiites - both enforced by U.N. aircraft which usually meant U.S. Naval air power. There were more as well, but suffice it to say that the inspectors were continually harrassed and hindered in their missions and were eventually expelled by Iraq(too close for comfort perhaps?); U.N. aircraft were fired at by Iraqi anti-air defenses on at least a weekly basis and sometimes daily; various attempts to unseat Mr. Hussein were put down using deadly force by both secret police and military units; and at every opportunity Mr. Hussein bragged he had more WMD and wanted to obtain nuclear capabilities. Oh yeah - in 1987 his air force killed 37 American sailors on the USS Stark (FFG-37) while they slept in their beds. At the time, we were escorting re-flagged Kuwaiti oil tankers during the Iran/Iraq war. We did nothing in response. Prior to our invasion, more U.N. resolutions were passed demanding full disclosure of the status of WMD's and nuclear capabilities. It was not forthcoming - in fact, Mr. Hussein continued to brag that he had them - and the only way to verify was to force the issue. I will agree the war could and should have been handled differently - the same with Viet Nam. I have yet to see a successful police action or limited war - Korea, Viet Nam, Somalia, Bosnia, and now Iraq. War is war - it's about killing more of the enemy than they kill of you. It's about no mercy and being terribly brutal - ala WWI and WWII. It's about total domination and unconditional surrender - Japan and Germany come to mind. It's about over-whelming force and the will and determination to accept terrible losses to achieve an ultimate goal Okinawa, D-Day, Iwo Jima come quickly to mind with thousands killed in a single week at EACH!! In '91 we went into Kuwait with more than 500,000 troops at one time. We had at least a 5 to 1 advantage on the front lines. In this war we've never had more than 190,000 troops to cover 30 times the territory!!! If we're going to fight, untie the hands of those who are sent. Let them use the weapons at their disposal. Let them be brutally efficient. That's how you win. Totally dominate the battlefield. As for me not being there - sadly the military is a young man's game. I often wish I could be there still but with age comes increased hazards of bodily break-downs and the inability to make the body do what the mind and heart demand. I won't lie - I could no longer meet the physical demands required of me. Part of it was 21 years of steel decks and "ladders", part of it was due to an auto accident and part of it was a desire to be home at night and not be gone for 6-8 months at a time doing who knows what for whatever reason. My view of what needed and now needs to be done has not changed at all. I just hope we, as a country, don't lose our will or forget what happened almost 6 years ago. We've been at war a long time before 9/11 - we just chose to ignore it until then. Don't ignore it anymore.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203813Fri, 25 May 2007 12:52:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203813Krista Swisher, Indianapolis INI think I've become addicted to posting here, but there's plenty of worse things to be addicted to, and I love the dialogue! Hopefully, someone out there knows this. I'm sure there's a way to find out how specific representatives voted on the Iraq spending bill. Could you tell me how to do this? Thanks bunches, Keith, for the education and the laughs. We especially need laughter these days.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203814Fri, 25 May 2007 12:55:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203814D. Buccini, Virginia Beach, VALet's hear it for the BIRD!!! He is my hero. This pres really is in a world of his own. Does he really think that anyone in their right mind in this country believes a word he says? Credibility? He doesn't have an ounce of that left. What a complete joke he and his administration are. Unfortunately, it's really scarey what they can do in the next year and a half. What is wrong with the democrats. Do they like being led around by the nose by this administration? Will someone please give them a spine transplant!!!http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203815Fri, 25 May 2007 12:55:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203815Chris Eldridge, Harrisburg PA"I love the show but PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE STOP the coverage of pop non-news." I fully agree Mariyn! I hope those at countdown realize that I typically only watch the first ten minutes and - to save my sanity - avoid the rest. In such DESPERATE TIMES, times when we are about to go to ANOTHER WAR with Iran, I think the time could be spent more wisely. Perhaps instead of refusing to print my comments that I post at 8:30 they can get a show that can hold my attention for the full hour.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203833Fri, 25 May 2007 13:15:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203833Doomed PensacolaWell the bird bomber wasn't packing white phosphorous American morons dump on innocent women and chillen to retrieve an oil reserve for the Big Oil sponsors of this Oil War. Senator Bill Nelson is an extraordinarily stupid hick from Flawda. He tells me the Republican inbred murderers lied to him and so he has to keep murdering the residents and our marines in the Sunni slums where they're being sliced and diced and dumped in the Euphrates. Happy America! How's that oil taste idiots? You're just so bright. Bright like a dying sun! Rest assured it is setting on our little empire faster than we can bomb two Fallujah hospitals and a first-aid station. I just needs to fetch me up some forty weight for Jesus and GAWD and the American Way. I loves dead coloreds soaked in forty weight. I'm a Neanderthal from Dino World cause I cain't fetch up no ED or Evolution. I be a GED, getter done, grad enroute to deisel school but we be needin some oil for my truckmates. Keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel em all so John can cry. I can't keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel em all ifn they're goin to fight back and not fetch up my oil for Jesus and illiterate American parasites. I am a Vietnam War veteran and the next time some jowel sucking hick tells you they're fighting for our freedom. Tell them you're free enough to pour a quart of forty weight over their inbred haids. There is nowehere in sixteen galaxies as stupid as the South. I'm born and raised here. Take a look around you. Land of the living dead. I just loves to bomb dem coloreds offn their oil. Republicans couldn't protect a busstop. They could dismantle it, build a smaller colored busstop and sell the spare parts in the Caymans because they're racist thugs buy they couldn't protect it. When Katrian victims were floating face down in flood waters, Billy Bob was on the links, linking up with important white boys. Indeed, most of the dead were African-Americans. Republicans couldn't care less. They're merchants and selling dead hurricane bodies can fetch up no enrichment for Southern Boy. Murderering for the second largest oil reserve on the planet. Remember there's only one rule now; there are no rules! Make these American parasitic murderers rue the day they were germinated. Today, before they keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel again for Jesus.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203869Fri, 25 May 2007 13:53:54 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203869 Bob PensacolaYou are brain dead Rod from South Dakota. First, you don't have any right to tell anyone anything because you're an American. Where on your dumbass does it say a murderer from South Dakota gets to kill whoever you want but everyone else in the world in evil? Maybe they don't want some white boy from South Dakota telling them how to live their lives. I know a lot of Navy lifers who spent their 20 years counting days, sucking off the public trough and then retiring into a more reclined sucking position while every cent spent on domestic programs is "Socialism." If you want to fight about service, I served four years to protect retail. Isn't this why we killed four million Gooks, so Republicans can trade with the Commies? Isn't that why we died, so a little boy from South Dakota can fetch up some manhood, so Junior Oil Boy can sell IBM to the Commies? Isn't that why we died South Dakota? Ethnic cleansing continued in Serbia long after we invaded. Did you stop the Home Rule carnage in Ireland because they sent a white idiot from South Dakota with a bible to Ireland. Hardly. Your delsions of adequacy are killing this nation and a lot of Navy lifers begin to truly believe you have a right to morally police the world. Well, chemically bombing defenseless chillen with white phosphorous has nothing to do with anything good. It's a shame the South Dakotans have to be such pretentious, racist murdering thugs. You're a disgrace to my war flag and nation. Replace the tuxedoed Black boy in your front yard with the ring through his nose with the smoldering torso of a dead Iraqi baby or Manuel the Slave we fetched up to replace Kunta Kinte stolen from our plantations because in One Nation Under God, we're just so damned good. Good at killing for forty weight and calling the dead barbarians. We're the barbarians, morons!!!!!!!!!!!http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203889Fri, 25 May 2007 14:07:16 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203889ek, mpls mnKrista Swisher: Here is a link for the individual voting: http://thomas.loc.gov/home/rollcallvotes.htmlhttp://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203897Fri, 25 May 2007 14:14:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203897Bridgette Beneshe, Brunswick, GAJoe, from Miami, FL, First of all, I cannot serve in the military due to health reasons. Secondly, I will agree with you the very second that Jenna and Barbara Bush put on a uniform and are deployed to Iraq. Do not try to throw that particular gauntlet at us when the chicken hawks are unwilling to sacrifice their own fleash and blood. Furthermore, there are a lot of soldiers who oppose the war, both actively serving and veterans. I know people from the Veitnam conflict who are opposed to this war. I recomend you drop your testosterone level, especially if you aren't in uniform headed to Iraq as we speak.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203902Fri, 25 May 2007 14:20:16 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203902Bridgette Beneshe, Brunswick, GAChris Eldridge, I suspect that Mr. Olbermann has to cover American Idiot. . .sorry, Idol because it's run on NBC and they want it put out there so that they can get more idiots to watch it. However, I don't mind. I HATE American Idol and almost all reality shows. And most TV for that matter. Mostly I watch Cartoon Network after 9pm, Family Guy, Countdown and the Daily Show. I really don't care for the rest of the junk that's being pushed lately. I get my news from the net, and listen to music a lot. I actually like the snide comments about pop culture since I agree with them so much.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203908Fri, 25 May 2007 14:24:06 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203908Edwin Anthony Dalecki, Jr., Lewes Beach, DEOP-ED...hello Media & Congress! It's called Oversight! Democrats BOW to the cry "Baby Bush" hello Congress! It's called Oversight and Fact Checking! Billions of US tax dollars have been lost, stolen and or simply wasted in Iraq. Earlier this month, Billions more were just allocated in the 'defense spending bill' for Iraq. On Thursday evening, this new supplemental adds a fresh new ninety five (95) billion to the ever growing pot of stolen, wasted and or lost billions. Democrats 'Bow' in reverence to the Bush Doctrine of Lies. This Democratic - controlled Congress gleefully approved fresh billions for the 'Bush caused' Civil War in Iraq. Senator Clinton and Obama played it very smart! They voted at the very end when their votes didn't matter. Democrats in both houses have once again 'conceded' to the whining lil baby that inhabits the people's White House. Democrats are now vowing 'false' pledges to challenge the 'baby Bush' at a later time and date. Democrats could easily challenge this Bush - Cheney Regime of Deceit with OVERSIGHT to all the lies, waste, fraud and lost billions that have gone into this flawed War of Lies. Americans are still waiting for the statements of: "Iraqi Oil to pay for this War of Lies!" Americans have been Duped based on 'doctrines of fear' to control. Americans are being lied to, spied on and subjected to daily 'propaganda of fear' to incite conflict in the middle east. There Never was a exit plan for Iraq by design. Fourteen-(14) permanent bases are being constructed as I type this OP-ED. Oops, I mean 'enduring freedom' bases! How touching! Our Mainstream media along with Congress have been very complicit in this daily propaganda of fear to incite with NO oversight . If Our media and or Congress employed proper oversight with fact checking; Iraq would not be a US problem child today. Each and every rationale for this 'War of Deceit' in Iraq was a 'gross lie' served on a silver platter to all Americans by the Bush administration-(WHIG), Congress and the mainstream media with NO fact checking. Yesterday, Baby Bush stated: "if Iraq wants us to leave, we will!" That is a blatant lie. Once again, let's go back to the permanent bases being constructed as I type this out. There is NO leaving Iraq and or the Middle East by DESIGN. Edwin Anthony Dalecki, Jr. Lewes Beach, DE EdwinAnthony@verizon.net http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203916Fri, 25 May 2007 14:28:43 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203916Sherri, Charleston WVHey folks, how' ya like my trusty pet WIngDIng? When he got back to his perch, I gave him an extra big treat of worm meal for his good boy trick!http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203934Fri, 25 May 2007 14:44:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203934Bridgette Beneshe, Brunswick, GAA quick note about the fired translators- and a note about don't ask don't tell. The mentality behind both is boggling in it's illogic. Supposedly, if someone is homosexual and working for the government, they are a security risk because they might be blackmailed. Sounds logical, right? Not really. The 'logic' behind this is flawed. If gays and lesbians serve openly then they are at no greater risk of being blackmailed into revealing secrets any more than any other person working for the government. However, if they serve closeted, then they are a a greater risk of being blackmailed. Basically, this administration has a trackrecord of think kind of stuff. A transgendered FBI agent was harrassed by her coworkers (which is illegal under government rules), but her Bush appointed supervisor wouldn't do anything about it. Homophobia and transphobia are rampant throughout this administration. Unfortunately, this means that the nation is less safe than it would be if the Bushies would set aside their hatreds for the good of the nation.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203950Fri, 25 May 2007 14:55:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203950Chris Eldridge, Harrisburg PAShouldn't we be just a bit more terrified in what John Dean said? That bush is just as likely to attack Iran and get us into another war overnight than he is to seek congressional approval. Worse yet, I already think congress has given him the nod to do so. Keith, can you and Chris M start asking dems if they are okaying an attack on Iran? To do so would be even more insane than this war is already. As Ron Paul said during the debates, we survived an era with 40,000 Soviet nuclear missiles pointed at us and leaders who swore to burry us, so why are we about to get into another preemptive war with a nation that neither has a navy, air force, or ANY such weapons. I am ashamed of this nation. How dare we act like the world’s bully.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#203952Fri, 25 May 2007 14:56:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:203952Barb G Albany NYdems just cant reframe issues themselves. still buying the thuglican talking points. and the slimy, smarmy complicit media keep helping. i think we need to give them all the bird.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#204008Fri, 25 May 2007 15:29:09 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:204008Jocelyn, Rockville, MDBridgette in GA - American Idiot is on Fox, not NBChttp://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#204040Fri, 25 May 2007 15:42:53 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:204040Bridgette Beneshe, Brunswick, GASorry, Jocelyn. I thought it was on NBC. AS I said. . .I only watch a very limited number of things, and that ain't one of them. lol. I can't stand the stuff, and so far, they've only had one halfway decent musician come out of the whole thing. It's a joke. http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#204059Fri, 25 May 2007 15:54:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:204059Independent, TexasRE the fear about an nuclear war. Many years ago (I can't remember how far back) there was a great stew for a short time about our capability due to concern over the shape of the silos. Evidently they were rotting or something. How do we stand on this now? Does anyone know?http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#204072Fri, 25 May 2007 16:00:13 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:204072Chris EldridgeKeith, can you please start investigating if the dems are actually IN ON IT? When you've eliminated all possibilities, what remains, however unlikely, MUST BE TRUE.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#204130Fri, 25 May 2007 16:27:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:204130Independent, TexasAh Chris... The Occam's Razor theory, right? I'm trying to remember if that is the name of it.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#204163Fri, 25 May 2007 16:40:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:204163George, Hammonton, NJGreetings Independent Texas...your use of Shrub just cracks me up...if you don't mind, I have used it several times...I really like King Shrub...and does the name Spintronic mean anything to you? Someone left a post on my blog under the name Spintronic and mentioned King Shrub...I remembered I first read about the "Shrub" on the Countdown Blog...if it was you, thanks for reading my blog...just glad someone is reading my blog!!! your two posts are half of the comments I have received!!! Have a good holiday weekend Independenthttp://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#204167Fri, 25 May 2007 16:42:10 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:204167Bridgette Beneshe, Brunswick, GABarb G, the Dems have had a major problem framing any argument in the last twenty years or so. They have failed to counter a lot of the Republican propaganda that's been pushed. What they need to do is get people out there who can push our information and adequately counter them.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#204319Fri, 25 May 2007 18:16:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:204319George, Hammonton, NJOccam Razor's basically is when presented with multiple, equivalent, and competing solutions to a problem, the simpliest is usually the most effective..."one should not increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything"...hope that helps Independent... http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#204410Fri, 25 May 2007 19:20:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:204410Sue; West Allis, WisconsinThe bird said it all! Mission Accomplished. You can bet your next paycheck there won't be any more media events without a nice, large canopy over the podium.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#204428Fri, 25 May 2007 19:35:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:204428Tom, Colorado Springs“It’s better to fight them there than to fight them here.” - How come no one ever asks Bush: Why do we have the right to use Iraq as a "terrorist" flytrap, destroying that country and killing innocent people in the crossfire? We always look at things only from our point-of-view. http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#204594Fri, 25 May 2007 22:06:43 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:204594Marie, Pawling, New YorkLove Keith. Love his show. Watch every night. But...he was off base concerning his sarcastic comments about the 60 year olds with new twins. Whose business is it. That's what makes America great (most of the time. These people obviously have the resources and I suspect the adult child may have another agenda. (Ah..that sibling rivalry) And let me assure you Keith, today's 60 year olds are far, far, far from nursing homes.Just say Congratulations and move on.Too many important things to worry about.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#204630Fri, 25 May 2007 22:51:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:204630Bridgette Beneshe, Brunswick, GATom, I don't. But that might be the Historian in me. What happened in Iraq was inevitable. Even the CIA knew that, we are just finding out. The moment Saddam Hussein died, we were going to see the collapse of this artifical country. It's time to allow the Iraqis to decide their future for themselves. Jon Stewart asked a guest recently about this. He pointed out how we have always allowed the Europeans to choose their own courses, but never the people in the Middle East. Why is that, one might ask.http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#204817Sat, 26 May 2007 05:18:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:204817Virginia Langley; NOT Langley, VIrginiaKeith, your commentary has kept the hearts and minds of a wjole lot of normal Americans from breaking utterly. As a 6tyyyyyyyyyy55-year-old who canno become pr7eggers t(and need not want to!), I am far from the nursing home myslelf. Some ways of living sustaiun life and health better than others. The owl that flew into Herod's dining hall and dropped a Big One on His majesty's balding pate rises to mind. Owl or dove, nice shot anyway! Now if we can have a few dozen more exploding frogs dropping from the sky directly onto the center of that hastily-erected canopy, and somewhat to the north, south, east and west of it too, we'll be all set for portente, hm?http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#205184Sun, 27 May 2007 03:43:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:205184Steve Turner Cedar Falls IowaVirginia. Maybe it was a message from the Owl God that Dubya worships? Who knows?http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/24/203438.aspx#224883Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:49:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:224883Joy Nicholl, Inkster, MichiganHi Keith, I missed you on your show Monday and Tuesday, June 11 and June 12.  I don't like your replacements because they are not as funny.  Please, Please, be on tonight,June 13.  I don't accept any telephone calls when your show is on.