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Todd, New Orleans, LA — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 00:33:41 GMT

To Mitt Romney: You used the words "null set" and "non-sequitur" when responding to the question about invading Iraq. To quote one of my favorite movie heroes, "I do not think that word means what you think it means." Way to evade a question, Hair Piece. - To Sam Brownback: Cancer? Yeah. People fear cancer. Just like they fear getting struck by lightning or catching any of the other thousands upon thousands of diseases and illness that can kill you just as dead as cancer. Fear? No, the fear of death is just part of the human condition. That is not the kind of fear that is the problem today and you should know it, but hey, you're mentally not quite right. You're a politician. And you've backed the Chimp Who Would Be King so I am pretty sure that although you may have read the Constitution, I doubt you understood the words. I also kept track of your disgraceful attempt for force creationism on Kansas schools. You do realize people all over the world LAUGHED at you and the State of Kansas over that, right? Until Herr Gingrich decides if he feels froggy, you are my nightmare Republican Presidential candidate. That about sums it up. - To Keith O: It must have been hard to exercise restraint in making jokes about Mr. Woods' plight with the priapism. Bravo, sir. Deftly executed.

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Todd, New Orleans, LA — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 00:48:47 GMT

Countdown: I know you guys have a thing about robots. Submitted for your approval - http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/hubo_fx1_chair_bot.php

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Liz Rich, New York City, NY — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 01:17:11 GMT

KEITH, How could you have ignored the most important thing about Romney's Iraq answer. He said that Saddam wouldn't let the inspectors in. The inspectors were in and finding nothing when he made them leave to start a war about nothing. How could you??? See Paul Begala on the Huff Post.

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Freedem — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 01:18:58 GMT

Still looking for Greg Palast and the real reason for the Attorney firings. Something about the dictator directive as well

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Bonnie — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 01:24:45 GMT

Whoa ... cavity searches, priapisms, pokeys, rubber glove jobs ... Countdown must have had a very, very good vacation ... Somewhere Potter Stewart is smiling tonight ... And so are we ... Gotta go now, my loofah awaits.

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JAM, Pittsburgh, PA — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 01:26:36 GMT

Countdown: I love your show, but ENOUGH with the celeb-gossip, already!!! Paris and Lohan are your number-one "news" story of the day? I do not tune in to watch ET. I'd liked to have heard more about the mother being court-martialed, or about Bloomberg's apparent rationalization. Please, keep celeb-gossip in the tiny "Tabs" segment.

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Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 01:40:45 GMT

Good evening, everyone! Just a few thoughts about this evening's number 4 and 3 stories, respectively. First, I continue to be so impressed and learn so much from John Dean. Not to make anyone feel old, but I was 3 when the Watergate **** was hitting the fan, so I wasn't exactly an eye-witness, so to speak. I love history, though; my undergraduate degree is in history. And, John Dean always provides such valuable and interesting insights having been such an important witness to the last time our executive branch seemed to be in "screw the Constitution" mode. CONSERVATIVES WITHOUT CONSCIENCE is one of the 4 books I'm reading these days. Not exactly light reading, but so interesting. And, regarding Mayor Bloomberg's sensical ravings of a non-lunatic mind (a play on dialogue from YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN - yep, I love Mel Brooks) concerning the JFK threat and the threat of terrorism in general, the cynic in me can't help but think he's positioning himself for, if not a presidential run, maybe some position in the next White House. Otherwise, why would he set himself up for the abuse he's taking and the abuse he will probably continue to take from "the right"? Because it's the right thing to do?! Naaahhhh.....

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Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 01:43:06 GMT

#1. Is there a Mothers Against Dumb Divas, yet? #2. Can't point too many fingers at the Brit Paparazzi. How many times has America watched the Zapruder Film? #3. Bloomberg knows New Yorkers have more to fear from Drunken Diva-wannabes, than from Terra-ists. Especially Homeless ones. #4. Cheney made it clear to Dubya. He's the only one who gets a pardon, if he needs one. #5. When I saw all those Republicans dressed up like a bunch of Funeral Directors, I knew they would bury Dubya. All that was missing was a Horseshoe Wreath with a "So Long, Cowpoke" ribbon.

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Rene' Weber Overland Park, KS — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 01:58:14 GMT

I was thinking how much Mayor Bloomberg reminded me William Shatner in the famous SNL skit of telling all the Star Trek fans to get a life. It is pretty close to the same as Bloomberg because the far right is acting like he has committed some kind of crime by denouncing the attempted attack by the guys from the Acme Terrorist Company. I wonder if Bill Orally and Faux News will label Bloomberg as a Islamo Backer Of Terrorism. Rene'

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Dave from Eden, MD — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 02:09:35 GMT

Keith, my wife and I have been fans for years, back in the old days when your number one story was a real news story. But, tonight you crossed the line and should make your own Worst Person in the World List. No matter what anyone may think about Paris Hilton, your comments about "Body cavity searches" were rude, and obnoxious. It really isn't funny to degrade a person in that manner when they are already down and out. Believe me, we are no fans of the likes of Brittany or Paris but no one deserves to be treated that way. That is something Bill-o has and still does. We are still fans, but the comments were more a reflection on you than they were humorous about Paris.

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George, Hammonton, NJ — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 02:18:07 GMT

Please Keith and Countdown...no more Paris Hilton stories...the mensa blonde is a trainwreck I don't want to see or hear about every again...isn't the law suppose to apply to everyone...if I violated my probation twice, my ass would be in jail...no questions asked...why shouldn't our laws apply to everyone?...I remember, money buys justice...and no more trainwreck Lohan too...maybe if people stopped giving these trainwrecks free publicity they would just disappear...I stop watching Countdown after Worse Person now...the trainwrecks get more coverage than the soldiers who are dying day after day in Iraq and Afghanistan...we rarely, if ever, hear their names, just the updated body counts...what is wrong with that picture??? Plus, whatever happened to the Presidential Directive? Countdown wastes time on the Mensa Blonde but not on the dictator directive...I will continue to stop watching the show whenever you cover Paris, Lindsay, Britney, Jessica, Pamela, etc...why am I suppose to care about all this arrested development?...enough of all the Mensa Blondes of the Apocalypse...Anna, may she rest in peace...how about that Presidential Directive, Keith!...let Jonathan Turley talk about the directive and you can just sit back and listen...NO MORE PARIS...NO MORE MENSA BLONDES...why not end the show with a tribute to the soldiers who died the day before...something meaningful...not more coverage of the insipid, vapid, vacuous, inane...truly sad that more people recognize the Mensa Blondes than Nietzsche, Marquez, Sontag, Beckett, Barthes, or Borges...

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John Strait, Johnstown, PA — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 02:59:51 GMT

On the Paris Hilton cavity search thing, I think it should have been conducted by Heraldo Rivera; live, on the air. It certainly would have been more interesting than his opening of 'Al Capone's Vault', wouldn't it?

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Jamie, Chula Vista, CA — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 03:05:25 GMT

I must say, telecasting pictures of Princess Diana's last moments is as about as tasteful as someone filming my Dad dying from the massive heart attack that indeed did kill him. I don't see what purpose it would have served ten years ago, let alone now. Her children did not ask to be put in the public eye, and they should NOT have to endure the grotesque filming of her final moments. What the HELL is wrong with these people? More to the point, what is wrong with the people that want to see it?

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LA, Seattle — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 03:37:38 GMT

As Bush's numbers began to tumble into the toilet, was there ANY question that these guys would turn tail and run from him? Wouldn't this be considered "cutting and running"?

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Jamie, Chula Vista, CA — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:09:08 GMT

Thank you George in Hammonton. I don't watch the last few minutes of Countdown unless it's a 'Special Comment,' and I don't think anyone else should. If I wanted to know about these, um, people, I'd read Teen beat or the National Enquirer! Instead of wasting Countdowns time on the likes of skanky people, how about devoting THAT time frame to honor those that have given their all while serving our country? Hmmm, maybe it doesn't make for good t.v.! Too bad! PEACE!!!!!

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JAM, Pittsburgh, PA — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:40:01 GMT

Todd, New Orleans: Youl'll never know how hard I laughed at yout "hair piece" comment - there's a local character with that nickname - and as for the 'cancer scare' part of your post - I can't say I agree with your assessment, but I do agree with scare tactic politics PERIOD. The possibility of cancer scares the hell out of anyone who's diagnosed with displasyia, abnormal moles, fibromas or polyps. I had dysplasia a decade ago, and just this January had three "marble-sized" tumors removed from one breast, with a warning about the tissue in the other. The threat of cancer is a personal terror - not a collective one. Other than that bit, Todd, a good post.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:43:48 GMT

Todd - Referring to Mitt Romney as "Hair Piece" is classic and will keep me laughing all night; and hopefully, well into my daughters' leaving Monday and returning in two long weeks. Thanks Todd and please keep it up, as C A made me realize I should continue posting and just ignore the jerks who either make no sense or sling insults because I challenge their long-standing beliefs, which George W. Bush has either shattered or forced them into "deep reflection". I've laughed Romney's hair from day one, as it really make him appear as "phony" as he is; but to read it in the context you wrote it in is more than hysterical!! Thanks again....

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:45:23 GMT

Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa - Number 5 is not only my favorite, it's great!!

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JAM, Pittsburgh, PA — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:49:12 GMT

George, Hammonton, NJ - I've complained about the same thing. And more than once. Or twice...

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:50:11 GMT

Jamie - Indeed it is disgraceful to air the footage of Princess Diana's final moments. "What the HELL is wrong with these people"? GREED!! The almighty dollar has sucked every iota of decency out of their souls!! I wonder how they would feel if it was a family member as you stated regarding your father. I know how I would feel, as I lost my father suddenly, like you, 12 years ago. These people care about nothing but money!!

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 05:03:55 GMT

Keith - Thank you for making that IDIOT Roger Ailes the "Worst Person in the World"!! Ailes’ bigoted comment about Senator Obama, again, based on his Arabic name, “Barack Hussein Obama” at a republican fund raiser was indeed despicable!! Hey fat ass Ailes, you are a bigot and because of your racism, your station lost all rights to air ANY democratic debate. I am glad both the DNC and all the democratic candidates stood in solidarity in opposition to fatso’s bigotry!! Keith, you also nailed it with your astute analogy that FNC is as dangerous to our civil liberties and the foundation our country was built on as al-Qaeda itself!! They terrorize me every time I tune it to see what form of insanity they are preaching "this time"!!

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Sue; West Allis, Wisconsin — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 05:41:47 GMT

PA-LEEZE! Enough Paris. I don't care if she ever eats or sleeps. She's in Jail, not a 5 star hotel. They deliberately make it bad in there so nobody wants another room reservation. The food sucks and the beds are hard. She's lucky to have her own room - frankly I'd prefer to see her in a room with someone who snores. She's a spoiled rich kid who thinks that following the law is only for the little people. Let her eat balogna. End the madness, Countdown, cover something else. There's real news out there - dictator story, voter caging.... No More Paris, unless it's the one in France or Las Vegas.

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Sue; West Allis, Wisconsin — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 05:47:37 GMT

Another thought: Why is everyone shocked to see Republican presidential candidates running away from Bush? With approval ratings scraping the bottom of the pond sludge, they're not going to be fighting over getting a cool photo op with BushCo. What we need to see is a snapshot of their complete and total support of Bush in the past to the opinions they now offer. Perhaps too much to ask our media....to actually give us real reporting and background information and show people who these guys really are (political opportunists who will do or say anything for money or popularity).

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Dimitrios Molfetas, Sydney, N.S.W. Australia — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 07:17:51 GMT

Keith, I'm a fun of yours from Australia. I think that your show is like a warm ray of sunlight in the moral darkness that prevails the Bush administration. I have emailed your Countdown show URL to many relatives, friends and associates in other part of the world besides Australia. I have only one question for you and I would be extremely happy if you answer it. The question is: In your comments regarding the republican presidential hopefuls you seem to ignore completely republican candidate for the presidency Congressman Ron Paul. I'm certain that you know better than I the man that Bill Maher calls my hero, and also you must be aware of the reading assignment he gave to the Rep. presidential candidate Rudi Giuliani . Ron Paul represents 100% the original founding principles of the Republican Party and he is getting amazing support even from Democrats! I have read that many liberal people will be voting for a Republican for the first time in their life and that they're registering Republican just to vote for him in the primary. Although he won the previous republican debate very clearly, his popularity grows daily, the media has already buried him right along side Gravel and Kucinich. Is there a reason you don’t mention or interview in your Countdown show Ron Paul? Thank you so much for everything

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Larry Boston — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:31:25 GMT

My entire fire station shift reads Olbermann Watch every morning for the breakdown of the segment. Great thanks Keith !

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Todd, New Orleans, LA — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:49:24 GMT

Larry, Charleston SC - I disagree with you about a lot of things but MSNBC.com has a Visa sponsored tourism video on their site for Charleston and I just wanted to tell you that's a real pretty town ya got there Larry. I may have to visit sometime.

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Todd, New Orleans, LA — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:57:16 GMT

File Under T for Trivia : The loofah is a relative of okra. Maybe it's because I live in NO, but I'll never be able to eat gumbo again without thinking about throwing a bowl of it at Billo.

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Todd, New Orleans, LA — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:12:58 GMT

Beware of Andrew Keen.. -- http://edition.cnn.com/2007/TECH/internet/06/06/keen.amateurs.reut/index.html -- this is the kind of "control" that will be justified in attempts to censor the internet. Filtering technology aside, the current fundamental structure of the net is contra to centralized control. It was designed as a military network that could work in absence of a significant number of nodes, i.e. to be a decentralized network. So watch this guy and anyone else who would silence you. Elitism is evil and this is about control, not expression. And if you question the application of Hannah Ardent's Banality of Evil as applied to the blogosphere in this article, you should. It's misapplied.

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Teresa , Tallahassee, Fl. — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:21:49 GMT

On the Debates: I would think all of the networks would do some research and follow some of the rules of debating. What I have seen does not resemble the debates we participated in during high school. Questions and TIMELY topics should be prepared in advance and the candidates given time to present their point of view. I feel like we have taken a giant step backward, into the 60's and 70's, talking about abortion rights again (I thought this was resolved) with the worse topic being evolution. Are you kidding me? This is definitely not the topic my family is talking about around the dinner table. I also don't care what the candidate's religion is, unless they are basing all of their decisions on WWJD. Although I and my daughter are registered Dems, we have watched both party "debates". When Sen. Brownback said that the biggest fear of Americans is "cancer", my daughter and I looked at each other and just burst out laughing. I'm sorry, but although cancer does run rampant in my family, my Mom is being treated right now, OUR biggest fear is our President and the people who follow him. He has destroyed the reputation of this country, caused me to feel scared every single day with his actions and continues to put our troops in harm's way. Sorry, off on tangent. Bottom line, there is nothing new we are learning about these candidates with the present format. We need 1 moderator, not people popping up all over with a mike, and questions about getting out of Iraq, Health Care for people who can't afford insurance, Education etc. Keep up the good work, Keith. Love your show. Happy to see you have been able to keep Michael Musto off for awhile. I hate to see you squirm while talking to him, he is just plain creepy.

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MK — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:32:20 GMT

To LA, Seattle. The rebuplicans don't or won't notice the "cut and run" behavior in themselves any more than they will notice the "waffling" or "flip flopping" behavior. These are things they will only point out about others. I actually heard Tom DeLay, last night on Hardball, say that the Republican party doesn't care about the issues of evolution, abortion and gay marriage. I almost spit out my dinner I was so shocked. I think those very issues are the ones "they" trot out every election year to scare the religious right into voting for them. Without those very issues they can't get the vote from the religious right. These current GOP candidates will say anything to get elected.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, Al — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:39:41 GMT

LA,Seattle: None of these guys were ever friends or supportive of Bush. In fact, many most likely despise him. If at one time they ever appeared to get close to Bush it was purely for political gain. Naturally, when the numbers fall they will abandon ship. The Dems would do the same under the same circumstances. We have to remember that these career politicans are really slime when it comes to real sincere interpersonal relationships. Any relationships they have are purely politically driven. If they believed in the sanctity and importance of developiong and maintaining strong interpersonal relationships with any persons other than perhaps their immeidate family members, they would not have remained as a career politician in the current political process that demands untruths and dirty dealings.

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David C, Woodstock, GA — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:09:33 GMT

Love to read the News Hole, but may I humbly recommend a spell checker? Really.

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Diane, LA — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:15:55 GMT

Hey Keith (Molly O)- Loved your story on Paris Hilton. Compared to the other stories tonight I think you are right on it with this one. It is so difficult to get the stories right with real news and I sympathyze with you. Making the libs happy is tough these days and reinventing or making up history is so much easier than covering the news. We love you Keith and keep up the good work, Paris is depending on you honey.

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JoAnn, Randolph NJ — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:20:39 GMT

Dear Keith, I love your show and watch it for straight talk that I can't get anywhere else but that segment on Paris Hilton and the body cavity search was the limit. With so many important issues, who cares about Paris Hilton or any of the other useless celebrities like her? That segment was crude, lascivious and beneath you. Frankly, I could do without Tabs and Oddball also. Let's get back to important stories.

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DCohn , Cleveland,OH — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:29:05 GMT

TMZ is reporting that Paris Hilton has been freed from jail, what is next, let Charles Manson go due to good behavior. Now this all makes sense, Scooter will receive a pardon and the world be a happier, safer place to live in. B******. This all comes as a shock if this is true, now Lindsay is at Promises planning her birthday party. Hey, can I get on that list? As you can see, I am being pretty flip because I am in shock. We have so many more important issues like to ask the candidates running for President do they believe in Evolution or not or can you still rock out like Mike Huckabee, and deliver the death penalty but be pro-life, aS JOhn Stossel says from ABC, "give me a break." Peace, Denise

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barb g albany ny — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:41:57 GMT

hi Krista - i'm a historian also [BA, MA, and half a ph.d - that makes it a ph....] anyhow, I Was there during watergate [i'm a geeeezer - who also loves mel brooks] and we stopped my jr high social studies class so the kids could watch the hearings. i think the history channel has some of the tapes of those hearings, and if you've never seen them....you should. what did the president know, and when did he know it?? still chills the soul. john dean is awesome. i only finished Conservatives a couple weeks ago. he is awesome, and he understands the big picture. since the bushies and their pals dont ever see the big picture, well, i can only suspect that they learned nothing in their history classes, whenever they took them. Rumsfelt, Cheney --- they were all in nixon's admin. they are trying to make up for that corrupt bastard, even now. no, we wont pay! and KO --- hey, i agree with some of the other kids on this blog. enuf with the dumba$$ starlets. more politics, and oh, the dictator directive....but perhaps mayor mike has hit the nail on the head... maybe its a lotta BS, and we should move on, as they say. but, a little closure, that would solve the problem.

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DCohn,Cleveland,OH — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:37:48 GMT

Ok, now confirmed Princess and Heir Paris Hilton homebound for 40 days, whoopie.WHo would have thought. Now can we move on to more important things KO. No more evolution talks or party planning from Lindsay Lohan. I would think keeping our kids safe and away from predatorswould be more interesting and useful. How to have beeter security at strip malls so people arent abducted and murdered. Enough of this other gooey junk. Peace, Denise

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Pat, Boston, MA — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:43:01 GMT

Always remember, the only thing we have to fear is an ignorant media. What a great week of programming on Countdown. The most important lesson we learned was that there are in fact lawyers and judges in this country who take the Constitution quite seriously. When you have guests on such as Jonathan Turley, John Dean, Lawrence O'Donnell; when you report stories such as the one on Guantanamo Bay with a lawyer unlike any lawyer I have ever heard, and when we have Scooter Libby going to jail, it gives me real hope and a sense that we're about to turn a corner and heading in the right direction again. Perhaps it's time for us all to re-visit our Founding Fathers this Fourth of July. They gave us much, yet for reasons I’ll never quite comprehend, the Constitution has been ignored for six years by this Administration. But as they're finding out, there’s a law against that. Why this country elected someone like Bush is truly beyond me. Oh no, I remember - he’s someone they would have liked to have a beer with. I guess that’s important. And now Fred Thompson is a favorite - and he’s someone who when asked this week what his accomplishments were in the Senate, he couldn’t think of anything. Good grief, I hope he doesn’t like beer.

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Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:44:54 GMT

Good Thursday morning, all. Barb in Albany, thanks for your kind words! I've seen some of the Watergate hearings on the History Channel. Good stuff! I can visualize the oxygen being sucked out of the White House when it became public knowledge that there was a taping system in the Oval Office. OOPS!! My MA is in English (hence the Beat Literature class and my part-time teaching gig). No PhD in my future; I'm done with school forever but could retire today if I had a nickel for every time I've been asked when I'm going for that Ph.D.;) ANYWAY, sorry for the delay in why I'm posting now. Just to come to the defense of Keith, the producers, COUNTDOWN, etc., news of Paris Hilton's release from jail is on National Public Radio's website. I say again, the Paris news is on NPR'S WEBSITE! N P R!! In today's climate, like it or not, she's considered news. Just gotta deal with it, go with the flow, and know, like a kidney stone (and my husband's had kidney stones, so I know what I'm talking about!), Paris, too, shall pass.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, Al — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:48:55 GMT

Todd: I have been to Charleston. The boat ride to Ft. Sumnter tour of Ft. Sumnter is great and the historical old town is just wonderful. I understand they put a noose around ole Black Beards neck there at Battery Park. Is that correct Larry? And there is a resturarant there that is rated pretty high on the international restaurant rating list (can't remember the name of the rating organization). The restuarant is called Pertida's or something like that. Happened upon it as a teenager when visiting Charleston on a whim. It is locted where you would not think you would find a restuarant. I beleive it used to be an old prison or something like that. Anyway, the atmosphere, food and service was just great. Very interesting place. Lot's of history.

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Larry Charleston, SC — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:53:07 GMT

Sorry Pam , but you're not being realistic again. There is not 1 politician that would pass up free airtime, especially a chance to pick up a few votes you wouldn't normally count on. If Bush is so despised then Fox viewers would be a select group of voters to try to persuade. However, the real reason I expect is that are afraid of the questions they will be asked. If none of these candidates can stand up to Fox News, how can we expect them to stand up to a real world threat. I just don't buy the bias argument as MSNBC is just as biased if not more so. The dems are simply a group looking for the softballs from Chris Matthews , don't want to answer a real question. If I were Fox I'd go on with the debate with whoever shows up and give them all the time they need to rip the noshow cowards. Now, I wonder if Mitt and John Edwards use the same hairdresser. I think Mitt can afford the $400 charge ! And speaking of that , maybe Hillary should try a new doo, it couldn't hurt.

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Pat, Boston, MA — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:53:07 GMT

Don't know if the producers of Countdown care, but I, too, am turning the program off when it turns to celebrity stuff towards the end of the show. It's pretty awful to watch and quite frankly, not funny.

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Jamie, Chula Vista, CA — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:54:53 GMT

So, the bleached blonde bimbo heiress has been released from jail? Hmmm, maybe Pace, Rumsfeld, etc., wrote her glowing letters of recommendation. Hey, maybe ole' DICK himself stepped up to the plate this time. Gee, now I can spend the rest of the day just knowing that the poor girl is no longer suffering. PEACE!

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KAK, Chicago, IL — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:59:56 GMT

Great Thanks Keith for degrading Paris Hilton, check around your fan blogs, you actually got people feeling sorry for her. Keep up that high quality news segment---don't worry, your immature behavior during the "Paris" stories won't dilute all rest of the news, not to mention your credibility too much. (Oh, yeah, your producer makes you do it) Putz.

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Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:04:59 GMT

Pam. They should have worn Togas and delivered a Marc Anthony Eulogy in Latin. Now that would've hit the nail on the head. In Nomini Rex Republica Nihil.

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Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:07:33 GMT

At this very moment, Scooter is on the line to Paris (Hilton), asking how she managed to pull it off.

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Linda, Pittsburgh — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:16:26 GMT

Glad to see (Krista and barb g) that Conservatives without Conscience is still on peoples' reading list. I got it last summer when I saw Dean on Countdown. The book makes a critical distinction between "conservatatives" and "authoritarian conservatives"--a distinction that explains, perhaps, some of the polarization in today's politics. We talk a lot about checks and balances, and we usually mean the way that the framers of the Constitution separated power among the three branches of government. We also recognize the role of the press as a "check" on corruption and power (although the mainstream media has been more an enabler of unbridled power than a check on it in the past 20 years). But the balance between "conservative" and "liberal" has been put of of whack by authoritarian conservatives, who jettisoned traditional conservative values like fiscal restrain in favor of the pursuit of power. Here's Dean on authoritarianism: "What has driven this book is the realization that our government has become largely authoritarian. It is run by an array of authoritarian personalities, leaders who display all those traits I have listed---dominating, opposed to equality, desirous of personal power, amoral, intimidating, and bullying; some are hedonistic, most are vengeful, pitiless, exploitive, manipulative, dishonest, cheaters, prejudiced, mean-spirited, militant, nationalistic, and two faced." (We might imagine a few so-call "liberals" who share those characteristics. as well.) The problem is that authoritarianism is inherently anti-democratic; it chips away--or hammers away--at freedoms and accountability in order to consolidate power in the hands of authoritarian leaders. And I think it has eroded that balance between liberal and conservating in this country by hijacking regular "conservatism" and vilifying liberalism and by using bully tactics (see Cheny, Rove, Scooter Libby and Joe Wilson) to silence dissent. We all--liberals, moderates, conservatives, Democrats, Republicans and Independents--would be better off if we learned to recognize, reject, and fight the authoritarian forces that undermine our democracy. (I am not speaking here for Dean, who is leagues smarter than I am on this subject and no doubt others.) But this books makes a powerful argument, especially for conservatives who are puzzled by the current state of affairs.

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Simpliticus — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:53:35 GMT

Isn't it more relaxing to have a major city mayor attempt to assuage concerns about terror than to trumpet them? Instant presidential material should he want to step into the fray. And just maybe that explains his upfront mannerisms! Bloomberg for president!

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:59:39 GMT

Larry – The issue is not whether or not Fox News Channel (FNC) is biased, as a monkey would come to that conclusion. I have actually emailed Roger Ailes several times and told him that FNC has the right to air what they choose, select the hosts they choose, report what a “heck of a job” George W. Bush is doing; however, they have NO right to state they are “fair and balanced”. This is not only misleading, it’s a flat out lie. I told Ailes it would serve his station and take away the warranted criticism leveled at FNC for this blatant lie. Advertise as what they are, a station with consumed with right-wing views, right-wing commentators and hosts, supports republicans no matter what and George W. Bush and his Administration ruthlessly. FNC could then say bye-bye critics who justifiably accuse FNC as hypocrital, liars and guilty of false advertising. He emailed back and said “Thank you for the suggestion”. Moving on, the democrats are not “running” from FNC. The very fact that FNC portrays itself as a legitimate news organization, for reasons stated above, is a joke. One FNC commentator resorted to making fun of Senator Obama’s “ears” during the last State of the Union Address. Solidifying FNC’s fate was Ailes’ racist statement launched at Senator Obama. While Ailes thought tying Senator Obama to Pakistani terrorists at a Republican fundraiser was “humor” and based solely on his name. Ailes’ was clearing attempting to instill “fear” based on the Arabic origin of the Senator’s name. Ailes’ clearly represents what his organization stands for; one-sided, right-wing reporting on everything. A president of a “news organization” and I use that term sickeningly, who unleashes a bigoted comment against ANY presidential candidate, republican or democrat, or anyone else for that matter, is irresponsible journalism and you know it Larry. There is absolutely ZERO room or tolerance for such blatant bigotry and discrimination. In addition, judging from the questions FNC posed to the republican candidates, “God, God and God”, which have nothing to do with the qualifications of a man or woman running for president, it is only unproductive time and time that should be spent by the democrats debating critical issues, i.e. bringing our troops home, repairing our much damaged global reputation, restoring credibility amongst the community of nations and restoring the Constitution and civil liberties to the United States of America, etc. etc. etc.!!

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:03:49 GMT

Larry – The issue is not whether or not Fox News Channel (FNC) is biased, as a monkey would come to that conclusion. I have actually emailed Roger Ailes several times and told him that FNC has the right to air what they choose, select the hosts they choose, report what a “heck of a job” George W. Bush is doing; however, they have NO right to state they are “fair and balanced”. This is not only misleading, it’s a flat out lie. I told Ailes it would serve his station and take away the warranted criticism leveled at FNC for this blatant lie. Advertise as what they are, a station consumed with right-wing views, right-wing commentators and hosts, supports republicans no matter what and George W. Bush and his Administration ruthlessly. FNC could then say bye-bye critics who justifiably accuse FNC as hypocrital, liars and guilty of false advertising. He emailed back and said “Thank you for the suggestion”. Moving on, the democrats are not “running” from FNC. The very fact that FNC portrays itself as a legitimate news organization, for reasons stated above, is a joke. One FNC commentator resorted to making fun of Senator Obama’s “ears” during the last State of the Union Address. Solidifying FNC’s fate was Ailes’ racist statement launched at Senator Obama. While Ailes thought tying Senator Obama to Pakistani terrorists at a Republican fundraiser was “humor”, it was based solely on his name. Ailes’ was clearly attempting to instill “fear” based on the Arabic origin of the Senator’s name. Ailes’ clearly represents what his organization stands for; one-sided, right-wing reporting on everything. A president of a “news organization” and I use that term sickeningly, who unleashes a bigoted comment against ANY presidential candidate, republican or democrat, or anyone else for that matter, is irresponsible journalism and you know it Larry. There is absolutely ZERO room or tolerance for such blatant bigotry and discrimination. In addition, judging from the questions FNC posed to the republican candidates, “God, God and God”, which have nothing to do with the qualifications of a man or woman running for president, it is only unproductive time and time that should be spent by the democrats debating critical issues, i.e. bringing our troops home, repairing our much damaged global reputation, restoring credibility amongst the community of nations and restoring the Constitution and civil liberties to the United States of America, etc. etc. etc.!!

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:50:49 GMT

Steve Turner - You just outdid yourself sir!! Thanks for the good laugh, AGAIN!!

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:21:54 GMT

Todd - KUDOS!! Both Grace and Beck are disgraceful!! I've also emailed each executive at CNN and told them such. The most deserving smack down leveled at Nancy Grace was from Jon Stewart on "The Daily Show". After all charges against the Duke Lacrosse players were FINALLY dropped, Stewart played clips of the b***h over the course of the last year, where she not only flat out said the three were guilty, she made an ass out of herself while doing so!! At the conclusion of the clips, Stewart stated, "What will Nancy Grace say tonight after today's press conference announcing all charges dropped?" He then played the intro to Grace's show, which opened with, "Hi, I'm Jane Velez Mitchell filling in for Nancy Grace tonight..." Stewart then proceeded to state where Grace was. He said, "She's out raping puppies and you can't prove she's not!!" What an appropriate line for "Lady Justice" - NOT!! She's the most dangerous "legal analyst" (a joke in itself) to the criminal justice system ANYWHERE!! Beck is just a flat out bigoted ass who needs to go far, far away!! While FNC would jump at the opportunity to hire the bigot, I don't want to see or hear him EVER on any station!!

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:23:13 GMT

Jamie - Yes, we definitely need to "talk" and hopefully you can visit LB soon. Thanks for your support in exposing the bigotry from the "right" against Senator Barack Hussein Obama!!

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Larry Charleston, SC — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:35:19 GMT

Sorry Pam, PMSNBC is just as biased with it's reporting, and Countdown hardly qualifies as a news show. A news show reports the news without commentary. Sorry, keith does not qualify as a newscaster. Again, making fun and degrading the president seems to be the norm, so if it is good enough for the president why is it not good enough for Obama ? Because he is black ? Nice try but it won't wash. The dem candidates are afraid they won't be able to handle the questions. Not a good sign for a person having to deal with people who want to kill us. As for the dem debate, I did see one candidate give an answer of what they will do after we pull out. Seems like one of them would have a plan to separate themselves from the pack. They only want to debate when each other decided it was time to run from their vote to go to war. If you truly want to be president, you can't let Roger Ailes hurt your feelings

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Mary, Billings, Mt. — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:46:31 GMT

Keith I love your show but you crossed the line with the insensitivity in talking about Paris Hilton's body cavity. She is a woman, not a piece of meat. What a turn-off!!! You can't COMPLAIN about her media exposure and then CONTRIBUTE to it night after night after night. I am very disappointed. there's a little thing going on in Darfur that you could talk about and actually HELP some people. But you NEVER do..instead we get this nasty junk talk. How come???? BTW, Another poster here has it exactly right, This says more about YOU and who YOU are than it does Paris Hilton.

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Larry Charleston, SC — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 19:08:55 GMT

Hey, Charleston is a great place. After hurricane Hugo destroyed much of the city in 1989, we didn't whine, we rebuilt and repaired. It's more beautiful now than ever. And Vermont doesn't have anything on us, we tried seceeding 150 years ago and all hell broke loose ! Yep, we tortured Blackbeard and beheaded him, Chief Osceola is buried at Ft. Moultrie, and the first shots of the War of Northern Aggresion (Civil War for you libs) were fired by my buddies over at The Citadel. Great dining and night life. We're doing well despite a democrat mayor for the last 21 years. Charleston is the world's best kept secret , and let's keep it that way !

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Mimi, Denver — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 19:09:38 GMT

Dear News Hole interns/staff--PLEASE proofread before you post! Spelling mistakes and grammatical errors are an easy way to lose credibilty because people will think you are stupid. "New Hampsher?" "excersize?" ARE YOU #%^ING KIDDING ME? Here, put this link in your favorites: http://www.m-w.com

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Bonnie — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 19:12:33 GMT

There's a lot of debate on this blogsite right now about what kind of programming Countdown should do and not do. I'm not a particular fan of the entertainment segments myself (especially American Idol), although I love Oddball, WPITW, and Newsmakers. But regarding last night's #1 story, I confess that I found it just plain hilarious. Consistent with being a progressive (or maybe just as a quirk of my personality), I don't mind a little not-so-innocent fun, especially if it gives me an opportunity to work out my loofah (such as last night), and even if my loofah is a derivative of okra (Thanks for sharing that info, Todd). On the other hand, I do agree that the frivolity can be overdone sometimes, especially when the frivolity is not particularly funny or provocative (as it sometimes is not). If there were lots of choices for similar reporting, then I wouldn't mind 3 segments devoted to the inane and the semi-pornographic (heck, sometimes I would even prefer it), but that's (sadly) just not the case. Countdown is the only show I know of that does the kind of serious reporting it does, and is yet light-hearted enough to suit me. So, I guess that, in the final analysis, whatever Countdown wants to do is fine with me, and if it is not exactly to my taste sometimes, I'll just have to get over it.

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Russell in Maryland — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 19:48:14 GMT

How is that Bush dictator directive working out/

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C A, Tuscaloosa, Al — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:04:28 GMT

Pam: In reading your post above, re: the republican debate and regarding the questions posed by FNC in reference to God. There is a clear and substantial influence by the Bible touting right wing neo-conservatives over both the FNC and the would be republican nominees. And I agree with you in this respect. This is a country made up of a diverse group of people with varying religions and religious beliefs. And I think I can say with confidence that those questions posed by the FNC were in reference to the Christian God and those beliefs of the Christian right, and that any responses were directed to the same. But, if such questions are to be asked of the candidiates, republican or democrat, would it not be more appropriate to speak in terms of one's spirituality. Do those questions by the FNC (and the responses given by the republican candidiates) assume that the answers should please only those members of the right wing Christain neo-conservatives while ignoring the God's and beliefs of other religions or those who may be atheist in this country yet who also have the right of representation? Spirituality can come in many shapes and forms. It can include any and all Gods and any and all religions, or no Gods or no religions. Spirituality defines that which lies within a man's heart and soul, and if one is truly spiritual, and not just Godly, it then presupposes there exist a belief in kindness, fair play, love of your fellow man, love of life, respect and love for nature and acknowledgment that man is not the greatest power here on earth. So as you have answered for yourself above I will ask of myself. Am I interested in a candidate's relation to or belief in God as posed by the FNC. No, I am not, especially when the questions and answers are obviously centered around only one segment of our society. But am I interested in a candidate's spirituality. Yes, I am. Very much so. Give me a candidate who sincerely states they are spiritual any day over a candidate who says he / she believes in God. For those who are spiritual will be much more tolerant and accepting of all people, no matter their beliefs or disbeliefs, than a person who simply states they are Godly.

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Terry Ballard, Merrick, New York — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:11:38 GMT

So impressive that Republican politicians are "Seeing the Light" after all these long years of funding a debacle. These people are not stupid, even though they play spin-spouting idiots on television. They have known for years that they are sending Americans to Iraq so they can die for a "Victory" that the admnistration cannot even define. Is victory the day that every Iraqi will love America? That will never happen. Is victory the day that the Iraqi government can run its own country without being propped up by our guns? The only way to find that out is to leave. Now we are hearing that most Republicans actually know that this is a mess but they are afraid to say anything in public. They'll say this off the record, gutless weasels that they are. They still march in lock step whenever there is a vote in Congress. Every one of them should be sent home - or better yet sent to the Iraq that they helped to create.

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Independent, Texas — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:14:02 GMT

Larry/Charleston: (Don't do it, I say to myself. Get your hands off that keyboard! Wait! Wait! Don't press submit! Dammit you dumm**s! You know you don't want to chat with this guy even if it is a nice comment. Sigh - I've never listened to my internal warning until too late.) I just have to say that as a true southerner you know that we of the genteel class prefer to call that most unfair conflict, "The late unpleasantness". (smile)

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:25:27 GMT

Larry - I'll address your responses individually. First of all, Keith Olbermann does not have a "Fair & Balanced” Logo underneath his broadcast, as does FNC, nor does MSNBC advertise as a “Fair & Balanced” network. FNC not only states this on their station, but also pays for advertising on CNN and other stations, promoting they are a “Fair & Balanced” network. Therefore your argument is not suitable and a badly chosen one so we can move on. Keith, like the “newscasters” from FNC “can” quality as “newscasters” as could I if I had a cable station and reported news. However it is the legitimacy with regards to their truthfulness, in addition to what they are reporting, or lack of, that is the issue in making this determination. Both John Gibson and Sean Hannity of FNC have lied repeatedly and been exposed their lies. Each has lied about the voting records of Democratic Senators, and specifically Senators Boxer, Kennedy and Kerry. In addition, they have both lied about the voting record of Speaker Pelosi in the run up to the elections of November, 2006. Bill O’Reilly does not even report news any longer. He has body language segments, “Miller Time”, and refuses to report or even discuss George W. Bush, Scooter Libby, the conflict in Iraq, etc. While it is apparent his reasoning is because there is no good “republican” news and has therefore abandoned reporting “news” altogether. Keith Olbermann, whether you agree with his “Special Comments” or not, DOES report news and current events throughout his broadcast. Therefore, Keith Olbermann does qualify as a newscaster. Moving on to the democratic debate on FNC. The democrats are not afraid of answering questions posed by FNC Larry, as after watching the first republican debate on FNC, I could have answered those questions after I had completed FIRST GREADE in Catholic school. I completed twelve years, so I know. No Larry, the democratic candidates have stood in solidarity against bigoted comments made by the president of FNC, Roger Ailes. A “legitimate news organization” should not have a president who vocalizes his bigotry, attacks a candidate based on the Arabic origin of his or her name, allows one its’ “newscasters” to make fun of his “ears” at a State of the Union Address and actually promotes the reporting of NEWS!! Also, Roger Ailes has never “hurt my feelings”, I have found his comments both racist and insulting; however, I would never let an ass like that hurt my feelings, as I save those “feelings” for people I genuinely care about, those whose opinions I value, or are important in my life. Also, after watching the republican debate hosted by FNC, 99% of the questions dealt with God, evolution and abortion. The remaining 1% dealt with national security questions. I believe, with all sincerity, the democrats would laugh at the questions posed; in addition, they would all mop the floor with the republicans, as the republicans have not had to answer MANY questions on national security in the debates.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:31:14 GMT

C A - Another well-written, well-thought out and beautiful piece of writing. I agree that spirituality is critical in how we live our lives; the basis for making our decisions' how we treat other human beings, both in this country and around the world and is the heart of what we are as a person. Spirituality, in the manner in which you describe, is most certainly important for anyone running for public office. I staunchly oppose attacks based on a belief in "God" as you eloquently described above. An atheist can be a spiritual person, while not believing in God. You articulated my inner feelings perfectly and I thank you.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, Al — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:52:50 GMT

Hey Larry: Was Black Beard a republican or democrat or just plain indepedent. I remember reading some kind of a plaque there about him when I visited but don't recall if he was affiliated with any party or if he was just pretty much a non-political revolutionary loner. You know in New Orleans they bury people above the ground because of the low sea level and flooding and all that. Do they do that in Charleston. I can't recall seeing any above the ground crypts around there. Just wondered. Might be interesting to walk around such places at night just to see if ole Black Beard is wondering around looking for those who hung'em high.

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Paul Ibsen Newark NJ — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 03:56:21 GMT

Pam from Calif. sorry your not on vacation, you never responded to Slick Willie's pardon of Susan Rosenberg, and FALN Terrorists, you keep avoiding the issue. Please save the "you sir " stuff for someone else. Todd from New Orleans made the bleed over stuff very clear me, could you please respond. thanks

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C A, Tuscaloosa, Al — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:18:57 GMT

Say Paul Ibsen: On the Clinton stuff. What is the purpose? Can't you people quit comparing current and past presidents and just evaluate each on their own merit. I seem to recall that it is Bush in office now so is he not the one that we should be reviewing his performance. All Americans, who have a right to do so. I mean, he does work for us does he not. Why keep bringing up and reviewing an ex-employees of ours?

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Linda, Pittsburgh — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:13:03 GMT

Paul, The FALN comment is on another thread. The way things are set up now is confusing and hard to read--and even harder to keep track of where different posts are. My guess is that the blog might be more successful than anticipated. There are formats that work better and include ways to preview and edit posts for spelling errors, punctuation. An technical upgrade would be very nice. And, of course, the mighty Pam may have already responded but the post may still be out there in space...But I will gladly stand in for Pam here. Who cares? I took the time to look at the Clinton pardon "scandal" in general. The FALN pardon was, indeed, very controversial. But controversial means that there was more than one side to the debate. Human rights groups and religious figures had petitioned for this pardon, citing a number of factors including length of incarceration. One condition of pardon was that the pardonees renounce violence. I know an agent involved in investigating FALN so I am well aware of the danger the group posed in their time. I won't say that Clinton was right on this one, but James Comey (Republican former Acting Atty. General) investigated the pardons in general and found no wrong-doing on the part of Clinton. My own view is that pardons should be few and far between and saved for cases where people are either clearly innocent but incarcerated because the system won't acknowledge an error, the original sentence was disproportionate and the convicted person has served a sentence similar to that of others convicted. I was opposed to the pardon of Richard Nixon and still am; I think Clinton should not have pardoned Marc Rich, as that stunk of political favor; I can see why people are still angry about the FALN. But there were others outside the FALN who argued for that pardon, and it is hard to see any political gain for Clinton in it. So far, it's been eight years and none of them have committed a terrorist attack yet, but the jury is out. But what does any of this have to do with Libby, who has a modest 30 month sentence, will almost certainly do time in a minimum security facility, and will come out to some cushy job funded by his rich neo-con friends? He hasn't even served any time! He has been convicted of a felony! The question of why he lied to the FBI and the grand jury suggests he may be covering up for those above him (see Watergate). The whining about Poor Scooter has nothing to do with the Clinton pardons (which stand or fall on their own merit) and everything to do with the way this administration sees its own people as accountable to know one, totally above the law. "I am the decider!!" Meanwhile, people disappear into secret prisons without trial, at the hands of the American Government, which mocks the whole idea of democracy. The FALN terrorists were bad guys. We caught them, tried them and put them in jail. They served long sentences and to pardon them, an American president had to open himself to both terrific criticism (perhaps well-founded) and a criminal investigation from the D of Justice that found him innocent of wrongdoing. We can disagree with any or all of what happened, but all events unfolded within the rule of law. That is what matters.

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Larry Charleston, SC — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:17:59 GMT

A sorry excuse Pam, just because Hugo Chavez advertises how wondeful he is , or the late Yasser Arafat proclaiming his peaceful intentions, does not make it so. MSNBC is no better than Fox, Olberman is an entertainer like Maher , not a newscaster. Newscasters report the news without bias (supposedly) and without their personal commentary. The dems are a pitiful bunch who are going to draw unneeded attention to their weakness in dealing with people who disagree with them. I still say let the debates continue with whoever shows up ( good chance for Gravel and Kusinich ) and let them rip the front runners (cowards). And I repeat, if you can't deal with Fox News, you can't deal with Putin or any other leader. If Ailes offended John Edwards, so be it. Edwards has offended me with his phoneyness for years. As a matter of fact, liberals offend me so maybe it is a good thing that they aren't being heard outside of their own little George Soros neighborhood.

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Larry Charleston, SC — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:22:22 GMT

Blackbeard was definately a dem, always looking for ways to rob the rich for his own power. And yes, Charleston is below sea level and has many cripts and graves above ground. we are know as the Holy City for the number of Churchs in the city. My church was built in 1706 and is the oldest surviving church in the south. America's most historical city.

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James, NYC — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:31:34 GMT

The liberals boycotting Fox debates is great. The less we see of these idiots the better off the country will be. However, it is puzzling that they want to give up free airtime to an audience much larger than MSNBC and CNN combined. Got to be something else and I think Larry has it right. Don't want to br embarassed having to answer questions that doesn't have to do with who voted for the war first and who didn't support the war when he was a state senator. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

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Carol Vitanza, Dowagiac, Michigan — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:53:56 GMT

There was a video clip on one of the news stations yesterday showing Bush with a beer at the G-8 summit. Is it possible that the recovering alcoholic went off the wagon? While questions are being asked about a possible virus or food he may have eaten to cause him to be sick this morning, why isn't anyone questioning what he was drinking? If this seems unfair, let's be reminded how many admired him while he was running for office because he had been born again and became a non-drinker.

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John Doe, Raleigh, NC — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 14:50:52 GMT

Just a couple of observations (maybe quick, maybe not). Yes, I too am sick and tired of Countdown (and Scarborough and Hardball) "updating" me on Paris, Lindsay et al., and I really don't want to think of them, much less hear about them. If we have to cover celebrities, why not talk about Geldof and Bono at the G-8? However, all of the shock and horror over Countdown's tasteless bit of humor regarding Paris because it is "disrespectful" is, I think, misplaced. If Paris and those of her ilk wish to treat themselves as nothing more than a piece of meat, or a sodden sideshow, then they are free game to be treated EXACTLY that way. Just please, please, PLEASE stop wasting time on one of the best shows on TV to do it! I would have preferred instead to hear about the immigration debate and a very serious issue within it that is gaining more and more credence on both sides, that of national id cards. Gee, what a novel idea. I wonder why no one else has done it? Oh, wait. It's not the ephemeral "Big Brother" overtone that worries me. It is this: Someone else DID use national id cards: the Republic of South Africa during the era of apartheid. Those cards were literally known as a Verdompass (that damned pass). All citizens had to carry one, as did Blacks from the "independent" Bantustans who were legally, yep, you guessed it "guest workers" inside South Africa. If issued, I will, in all likelihood, never be asked to show my card, just as white South Africans were almost never asked to produce theirs. I'm a white male with an obvious Southern accent. You're not going to mistake me for an illegal immigrant, even one from Canada! Who will be asked (repeatedly)? Ms. Gutierrez who was born and raised in Sausalito will be when she goes to cash a check, or buy groceries with a Visa card, or gets stopped for speeding. Mr. Hmong, who grew up in Madison, WI when he goes to ask for a small business loan, or to enroll his son in a university, or when he goes to pay his property tax bill. Worst of all, Mr. Jones, who grew up in Selma but who spent three years in a study abroad in Ghana, partially to discover his family heritage. He'll be asked for it when he is showing clients residential properties in an affluent suburb. And what are the legal penalties for these AMERICANS caught without their card? Well, in South Africa, fines and jail time were common. Incarceration was routine until residency could be established. Do the police take Mr. Jones "down to the station" to clear up this whole mess? Do they issue him a $150 citation? Beatings and even deportation to the Homelands were common, do we go that far with legal immigrants who have somehow misplaced or lost this card? And no one can calculate the permanent impression and degradation upon those of color who will be forced by these penalities to carry their cards constantly. Just another little reminder that I belong and they do not. I grew up in (and still am an active member of) the Southern Baptist Church. So no, the conservatives DO NOT have a cornerstone on faith, or even on the Christian version of God. We were (and still are taught) a little song that I thought went "Red and Yellow, Black and White, They are precious in His sight" Apparently, some of our citizenry want to change the verse to "Red and Yellow, Black and White, They're allowed in their place" What a shame. And last, to Larry. Southern man to Southern man. My daddy always said, there's always a pile of dog crap laying around, but you don't have to walk across the street to step in it. I try not to do that, but you force me to take you on. You are offended by liberals and regale us with the wisdom of the Fox Nazi Channel. Alright, that's your opinion and hey, good for you. But one has to wonder about your intelligence. I mean even my dog stays away from things he doesn't like. He's particularly scarce when I get the shampoo for his bath. I myself am offended by the taste and smell of Brussel Sprouts, so I don't waste time shopping for them, cooking them, or eating them. Why would any intelligent being claim to absolutely abhor something, then spend so much time involved in it? Hey, us "liberals," and I bet it stuns you to know we inhabit your precious South, too (and yes, my family is originally from here-as a matter of fact, the last known address for my father's predecessors other than NC and Va is London, sometime in the 17th Century, for my Mother's family, Cornwall sometime in the 17th Century) LIKE having you here, we are always looking for a good laugh. I just wonder why you would willfully put yourself in a place full of people that offend you. Maybe it's not your intelligence that is at issue, maybe you just want to pick fights, be a bully? If that's it, well, my daddy taught us how to deal with those steaming piles too.

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Linda, Pittsburgh — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:26:33 GMT

John Doe, Great post. You're a wise man, and I would love to meet your daddy.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:19:59 GMT

C A - AMEN!!!! Paul - Quit the diversionary tactics and while you're at it, Rudy Guiliani "IS" running for president, so in keeping with "CURRENT EVENTS", "Move.On"(.ORG) - SIR!!!

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:35:52 GMT

Linda - WOW!! You can fill in for me any time!! Paul -SIT DOWN!! The "Almighty Linda" has just eaten your lunch!! On behalf of ALL those disgusted by the neo con, hypocritical right-wing zealots, a.k.a. "Paul Ibsen Newark NJ", “Tom Delay”, Newt Gingrich, etc, etc.!!!!, who cannot defend George W. Bush (IMPOSSIBLE ANYWAY!!), without using the name of "President Bill Clinton”,” Bill Clinton", "Slick Willie", or ANY other name chooses to refer to the former president, a much deserved THANK YOU LINDA!! You ROCK!!

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:44:36 GMT

James, NYC - I see a common thread amongst you right-wing, neo con zealots!! Like Larry, you NEVER take the time to actually READ the comments people post!! Most ALL of you fly into an absurd rage, your arguments lack ANY AND ALL substance and you resort to slinging insults. ALL of those like you should return to kindergarten, where you would fit it with the "CHILDREN" who argue and blabber on as they do. The difference, they are five years old and have an excuse!! James, SIT DOWN or grow up and debate the issues!!

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:59:02 GMT

Larry - You have just proven my argument. Most ALL of you NEVER read what we post, as Independent told you yesterday. You state above, "If Ailes offended John Edwards, so be it. Edwards has offended me with his phoneyness for years." I NEVER mentioned Edwards, and specifically leveled my criticism in MULTIPLE posts to Ailes' insults, racial slurs and bigotry directed at Senator BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!! Please, like James -NYC, SIT DOWN!! You bring no debate to these blogs, you ignore what people write and this statement by YOU above proves my argument. It shows you and rest, like the Sean Hannity's of the world who scream over anyone he as much as “smells” disagrees with him, NEVER hear what “we” have to say!!! You do the same here!! READ LARRY then post!! Otherwise, Move.On.Org!!!!

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 17:06:04 GMT

John Doe, Raleigh, NC - A brilliant piece of writing. To elaborate on both your question and answer, "I just wonder why you would willfully put yourself in a place full of people that offend you. Maybe it's not your intelligence that is at issue, maybe you just want to pick fights, be a bully?” You are correct. I have one thing to add. They are full of themselves and so consumed by their egos they must post here where they "stand out". If they posted on, as you put it, "The Fox Nazi Channel" blog, they would just fit in with the normal neo con, right-wing whacko crowd!! This is not good enough for the Larry's and the like of his mentality. They require "attention" and they must be the "CENTER" of this attention to boost their egos and LOW self-esteem!! I enjoyed are writing sir and thank you!!

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Independent, Texas — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 18:41:46 GMT

"They", the posters who shall remain nameless and are behaving badly, are getting what they want. A firestorm. They are arsonists deriving pleasure from destruction. They are arsonists who destroy and never build. They are arsonists who "burn" civil discourse because they never listen and contibute do meaningful dialogue. Let's stop giving them anything to flame the fires. Unless they post something that has merit and doesn't contain slurs, let's ignore them. If they post something, however disagreeable it may be to our positions, that indicates well-thought reasoning, let's play ball!! Repeat of what I've said many times, I really really really want to hear someone say something positive about Mr. Bush and his administration, the Republicans in any office, and the conservative position in general. You "liberals" please don't come back to me with smart remarks about whether there is or isn't anything positive to say. I am sincere in wanting to hear a different view on things especially if it isn't couched in "well..Clinton did it" type of reasoning. Thank you.

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Todd, New Orleans, LA — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 18:41:48 GMT

C A and Larry, I think you are both wrong about Blackbeard. He was a libertine anarchist. And a snappy dresser from what I hear.

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John Doe, Raleigh, NC — Sat, 09 Jun 2007 00:37:16 GMT

Well, this may surprise you, Independent, but I will step forward and offer you something (not much) that is commendable about the Bush administration. 1) They have at least been consistent in their pursuit of the foreign policy agenda. I wholeheartedly disagree with a policy based upon fear and bullying, but they have shown a dogged determination to implement their policy. Someone else wrote that they aren't stupid, and that person is right. Every one within the administration is well aware of the feelings of the majority of the population, yet they steadfastly pursue what they believe is right. There is a kind of horrible respect for one who will hold their position (regardless of how myopic) in the face of outrage and venom. I will also say that the President has finally tried to show some leadership on the issue of immigration. He has tried to pull his party away from the Nativist/KKK/Know-Nothing Party stance that was de riguer a century and more ago. Unfortunately, he is now in no position to lead a Conga Line, much less a national party. I will say this personally about the President, as well. Unlike Bill Clinton (whom I admire tremendously in many other ways) Bush's travels among personal demons have led him to a PERSONALLY better place, and that is nothing to dismiss casually. That does not qualify one to lead others, however. Hitler never even looked at another woman after he met Eva Braun and he never took a drink. FDR was a notorious womanizer, and Churchill was drunk almost all day, every day. I'll take the latter two, thank you. I hope this shows you that, yes, there IS a common ground, and there can be, if not commonality, then a kind of understanding that exists regardless of "party" affiliation. (I will, however, stop short of offering ANYTHING nice about our VEEP). There are conservatives like Scarborough and Carlson who, although I disagree with them 9 times out 10, I can respect for putting their point out there, arguing it well, and listening to the responses. I respect Arlen Specter for the years and years of devoted service to this country, I respect McCain even more for that. I respect Bob Dole for his courage, his leadership, and his (this is gonna sound strange) compassion, even for those he obviously doesn't agree with or feel comfortable with. I respect the current president's father for the same things. Unfortunately, these voices have been shouted down by the Bill O'Reilly's, Rush Limbaughs, Dick Cheneys, Karl Roves and Tom Tancredos of the world. Rabid, rapacious, belittling, and utterly dismissive in their contempt for any and everything they don't like, understand, or care to understand. They prefer to hire lawyers WHO HAVE NEVER TRIED A CASE to run the Justice Department rather than qualified attorneys who don't vote for them. There is good. There used to be compromise, when both sides were allowed to be good Americans and good people of faith regardless of the political party affiliation. Those days have left us, and if we do not want a country divided against itself, they need to return. In the meantime, we have baiting, and bullying, and its alright when Dick Cheney (or Larry) talks about large swathes of the AMERICAN public offending or disgusting them or telling those people to go f--- themselves, but when those people smack back, everybody gets upset. Again, my good old daddy said if you can't take it, don't dish it out. And to Todd(and sorry Independence but this will partially debunk my prior argument)-snappy dresser he was, but let's examine his M.O.: rape, murder, pillage, plunder, and destroy anything in order to enrich himself. Sounds like Blackbeard. Also sounds like Dick Cheney. Blackbeard therefore must be Republican. Besides, here in NC, NO democrat could command the following and ongoing popularity that Blackbeard does! One last thing-thank you Pam and Linda!

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Independent, Texas — Sat, 09 Jun 2007 03:14:35 GMT

John Doe - masterful. I agree with almost everything you say and where I disagree doesn't matter. Thanks for a really nice recap. Do you think it is possible to have such a write up (or several small ones) about conservative policies and positions? For instance, the immigration thing. I happen to believe that the piece of proposed legislation that was killed in the Senate yesterday deserved to die. Not even from a policy standpoint: it was bad law. Tried to read it and couldn't get past the 2nd page. Can't remember how many pages there were (over 300???). What is the conservative position on immigration, illegal immigration (one of my issues is how everyone seems to be equating the two), securing the southern border with a wall, handling the illegal immigrants already inside the border, etc etc etc. Is it possible for someone to talk about the actual honest to god issue surrounding immigration without throwing out sound bites? Without any of us on either side resorting to slurs and outrageous statements? Thanks again for getting the pump primed, maybe some people will start writing in with real positions that will help me, and perhaps all of us, clear my thoughts about things. If I weren't so issue-focused, I'd feed back some thoughts about some of the people you mentioned as I got pretty close to them during my 10 years in DC. Unfortunately, that comes closer to gossip and we need to stay on the issues. Sure would be fun to swap stories with you though. Raleigh's a great place used to spend a lot of time there on business trips.

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Paul Ibsen Newark NJ — Sat, 09 Jun 2007 04:11:55 GMT

Thank you for the response Linda from Pa. ( and no Pam Calif. she did not have me for lunch I have a wife that makes mine ) You never addressed the Susan Rosenberg pardon. Also btw I could care less about Mark Rich, strictly money and politics, the way of BOTH PARTIES now. Lastly no one answers questions posed directly on this blog. The President is allowed to pardon people the DOJ probably rubber stamps the approval. Well thats my last try to get an honest answer on this one. Thanks again Linda, in all honesty, but sounds like a telemarketer or infomercial, reading off a card response. Please no offense but I do not agree Thanks

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Tom Wilson, Laguna Beach, CA — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:40:59 GMT

Who among us will stop
this war?

Answer: Ron Paul

Please have Ron Paul on the show! I urge you to not help the Fox network in their efforts to silence/discredit him.