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Jamie, Chula Vista, CA — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:19:30 GMT

Larry in SC: I am so very sorry for the loss of those 9 fire fighters last night in your fair city! I hope that everyone will find peace. My thoughts and prayers are with all of those heroes and their families.

How are all of are TX bloggers? Is everybody accounted for? I hope all is okay.

What a way to start the day!

PEACE

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Jamie, Chula Vista, CA — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:42:19 GMT

If you will all indulge me for a minute here. My brother John plans on doing a weekly diary/log email to our family and friends.

My love and respect for my brothers and sisters will never be in question, but this is just a small part as to why John is my friend and HERO:

"I have individual things I do with each of my children and I won’t go into them, but they have such a wide variety of interest and talents, they make me so proud to be their father.

I guess one of the reasons I do what I do is because I want my kids to see I believe in something. I am sure everyone knows my view on this particular part
of the “War”. I just want everyone to know I do this so my kids will hopefully they know I do my job to take care of people. That is why I am here, not to
fight terrorism or win a war, but to take care of my fellow soldier when he or she is injured or sick. I am very proud of my job and awe of the people I work
with, especially the young ones. Kids going to war in their early 20’s going for their 3rd and 4th times. Studs. That is all I have for now, until next
week.
John"

PEACE!

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Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:52:35 GMT

Wow...once again, lots to say, so I'll try to be as organized in my thoughts as I can.

Who was it who decided that Mayor Giuliani was even QUALIFIED to sit on the Iraq Study Group?! Oh yea, qualifications don't matter; politics does. OK...by this logic, since Rudy's qualified because he was mayor of New York City on 9/11, then the mayor of Washington DC should've been asked as well as the mayor of the town in PA closest to where Flight 93 went down. Makes sense to me! [insert Bronx raspberry here]

And, a politician (namely Senator Thompson) or anyone else in a supervisory position took credit for work that someone else who worked for them did?! I AM SO STUNNED [insert another raspberry here].

As far as the signing statements, even though President Bush seems to use signing statement AD NAUSEUM, these have been used for a long time by presidents from both parties. Does anyone know how this practice began? Just recalling my high school government class, this practice seems to put a big 'ol kink in the whole "separation of powers" concept. Congress passes a law, the president either signs it or vetos it; if it's vetoed, it goes back to Congress (is anyone else waxxing SCHOOLHOUSE ROCK besides me?).
Yep, I know; silly me for expecting this President to know or remember anything he learned in a civics or government class about the Constitution or separation of powers [insert yet a 3rd raspberry here].

I better stop here; my monitor's going to need wiper blades on high speed pretty soon.

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jen,il — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:56:29 GMT

Rudy has the exact same lack of curiosity and love of power that got us where we are today. Why participate in a study group? He was there on 9/11 so he must already know everything. He, like bush doesn't need to bother with pesky facts or truth. He's rudy. Who's going to question him? Certainly not the media.

Thompsons appeal is that no one really knows who he is yet. When asked about a bunch of candidates they know and one they don't republicans pick the one they don't know.

I'm not sure it is still news that the bush administration does'nt fallow laws. I feel like everyday there is a new example of the same story. At this point it is impossible for me to be outraged at the president for this. I'm disappointed at the speed of congress and the lack of outrage by the american people.

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scott henderson nv — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:00:15 GMT

Todd, reference to the other thread, and fanatical Christians. I submit that there are some fanatical Christians who do stupid things, but the difference is in numbers and reasons. The Christians don’t like abortion, consider it murder and feel compelled to act. The Muslims go nuts burn embassies and kill people over things like Cartoons. Were talking about a lot of Muslims, not just a few fringe fanatics. Look at the recent events in Pakistan, a senior mainstream Muslim has called for suicide bomb attacks against Salman Rushdie due to his recent knighthood in Britton. I know you are not good at Maths, and ratios as one of your posts recently claimed that 7:3 was 70%, but you should understand that millions of Muslims who believe in jihad and suicide bombings are a little more dangerous than a few nutty Christians.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, Al — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:09:31 GMT

Larry/SC: Ditto what Jamie expressed about the firefighters from your home town. Our thoughts and prayers are with their families and with the community of Charleston.

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Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:17:37 GMT

I was wondering when those Signing Statements were going to get in the news again.

As for Fred (the lobbyist) Thompson - he was always lazy as a Senator and never really accomplished anything. Just another seat warmer (and paycheck collector).

Rudy, Rudy, Rudy - for shame. Here's a regular guy that became a multi-millionaire from 9/11. More shame for him. But these Repugnikants sure know how to squeeze a buck for themselves out of anything. How can these guys sleep at night?

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Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:29:46 GMT

The Federal Government appears to have contracted the diease 'Ebola Dubya' from the Sacred Leader. Any law that he don't like, they don't like. Of course that doesn't apply to We the People. There are a couple of stinker laws passed by the Government that seem to apply to us but not to them. What if We the People started ignoring them? Then we'd have Anarchy at the lowest level to match the Anarchy at the highest level, I guess.

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Russell in Maryland — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:00:01 GMT

Can I put a signing statement on my speeding ticket?

Rudy didn't read the 9/11 commission report (evidence by his igno-rant debate critism of Ron Paul), so why would he bother to sit in on the Iraq study group. He is a no-it-all no-nothing just like the Shrub.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:39:26 GMT

"What's more important to Rudy - Commander-in-Chief credentials or his checkbook"?

Does this question even have to be asked? The majority of people who have done any research on Mr. Cameraman know full well he has always placed his personal needs, political and the like, above the interests and well-being of those he had a duty to protect and was entrusted to do so. I will never forgive this man for placing the Command and Control Center inside the Towers after repeated warnings from counter-terrorism experts of the potential catastrophic results in doing so. After the 1993 attack, and after the ego maniac became Mayor of New York City, he personally lobbied for this move more than the actual lobbyists themselves. With complete disregard for human life, "big bucks" and “special interests" prevailed in the “heart and soul” of this cold, cruel and pitiful man. Cameraman ignored any and all advice (sound familiar?) and did it "his way" (again, sound familiar)? On September 11, 2001, the catastrophic results he was repetitively warned about, yet callously and willingly chose to ignore, came to fruition. Fire fighters, police officers and citizens tragically lost their lives on that heartbreaking day based solely on Giuliani Genius!! His ill-fated and self-serving decision was also key in Cameraman seemingly “everywhere” on 9/11 and the days following. He knew precisely what he was doing; yet again, and amongst the horror surrounding him, he quickly located his almighty ego. This sub-human is not only grossly incompetent; he is not trustworthy enough to walk my dog!! The proven ego maniac, having abandoned his position on the Iraq Study Group, something as vital to the survival of our young Americans in Iraq, in lieu of cameras and lining his multiple suits with money, speaks for itself, and abhorrently. It is just one more blatant instance of his deep-rooted callousness, and also proves once more he is a miserable excuse for a human being.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:41:13 GMT

"I know you are not good at Maths" scott henderson nv (Sent Tuesday, June 19, 2007 11:00 AM)

Well Scott, it appears you are not good at English, "MathS"?? Again, one word, Ireland!!

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Todd, New Orleans, LA — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:42:53 GMT

And you're wrong Scott. I have fundamentalist Pentacostals in the family. I know how dangerous they can be from first hand experience. Feel free to be wrong again. RE: Thompson. Is anyone surprised an actor would take credit for the work of others, let alone an actor/lawyer? RE: Signing Statements - A President unilaterally writing and rewriting law without the approval of both House and Senate is illegal (see Legislation Without Representation for a start, finish with the Separation of Powers Doctrine). Anyone obeying them is an idiot or scared of Bush and the Fascists. If there is ANY justice left on the Supreme Court, they will eventually be ruled unconstitutional and void ab initio.

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Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:17:03 GMT

If Rudy is to replace Dubya, it's critical that he have Both credentials. Commander in Chief so he can get the big Corporations involved in Worldwide Resource Grabbing, and Checkbook in Chief to juggle all the Corporate Kickbacks incoming after his stint in the White House.

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Christina, Helena, AL — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:23:44 GMT

Larry SC: Though I don't know you personally, you were my one of my first thoughts when I saw the news report about the fire and the lives lost. I hope you and yours are safe. My prayers are with your entire community.

Krista: Thank you for the Schoolhouse Rock shout out! From your posts, I get the feeling that we grew up during the same period. I was 2 when Nixon resigned, so I have zero recollection of anything during that period that did not pertain to Sesame Street or the Electric Company on PBS (remember that one? My first introduction to Morgan Freeman & Rita Moreno...). I bought the DVD version of Schoolhouse Rock for my son, & he loves it. OK I confess, I bought it for myself, but the fact that he walks around singing "In 1787 I'm told, our Founding Fathers all sat down...", just warms my heart! I think that little ditty - which saved my skin when I had to recite the Preamble in 4th grade; began my love affair with the Constitution.

Rudy Giuliani: All I can say is "AACK!" & "Thbbbt!" (Bill the Cat was quite eloquent)

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Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:28:20 GMT

Unnamed sources claim that Kilmer Middle School will wrap all students in strapping tape at the beginning of the school year in the fall.

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scott henderson nv — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:36:32 GMT

Pam, I was using the term the way the British use it, they for some reason pluralize math and write maths. Probably because mathematics is pluralized. Sorry Pam but as you can not conceptualize, there are usually more than one way to do things including spelling math. Todd, so I guess Pentecostals in your family blow people and things up when they find a cartoon offensive. Your arguments on this Todd, are like comparing a nuclear weapon to a rifle, after all both can kill. The crazy Christians are marginalized; the Muslims who believe in suicide bombings and jihad are mainstream.

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LV — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:41:34 GMT

No touching? Sounds like someone watched the late, great "Arrested Development" and took it too seriously. Cafepress has AD-inspired "no touching" T-shirts the kiddies could wear. What's next: "Children should neither be seen nor heard?"

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Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:41:44 GMT

People forget that before 9/11 dear Rudy was just about as popular as Bush is now. His popularity ONLY comes from the cameras that were following him around and hanging on every word he spoke because:

1. BushCo was in hiding

2. He didn't have an office (yeah, he did, somewhere underneath the rubble)

He's made millions off 9/11. Off the bodies he never looked for. Off the people poisoned by the toxic Ground Zero atmosphere. Off the reputation he clearly doesn't deserve. Off the fear he continues to raise.

He's the guy that never improved the communication equipment for police or fire after they failed during the first WTC attacks. And they STILL don't have improved equipment or frequencies even AFTER the second attack caused hundreds of deaths because the first responders didn't know to evacuate (I wonder what the excuse is going to be when they fail again causing massive death among police officers and firefighters).

Rudy for President? Who does he think he's kidding?

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C A, Tuscaloosa, Al — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:42:00 GMT

Scott: I hate this compariosn game that is played as with Bush vs. Clinton and now Muslims vs. Chritians. And when it is played note how the arguements of one evoke the ire of another. You state "Christians don't like abortion, consider it murder, and feel compelled to act". "Muslims go nuts burn embassies and kill people over things like cartoons". You made an attempt to acknowldge that both religions have their fanatics who particpate in acts of violence in the name of their religion, but if you read your statements is there really an acknowledgement of guilt on both sides. What if you had sad "Muslims go nuts, burn embassies and kill people, and Christians go nuts, bomb abortion clinics and kill people. The point being Scott (without embellishing) here are the facts:

Do some Muslims go nuts-yes
Do some Christians go nuts-yes
Do some Muslims burn embassies and kill people-yes
Do some Christians bomb clincs and kill people-yes

And is there really any need to try and justify one side or the other by pointing out what is assumed to be the reasons for going nuts, burning and bombing, and killing people. I think not. Burning, bombing and killing is wrong no matter if over a cartoon that degrades a people or a belief that abortion is murder. For both have assumed the role and sole right of their God and have decided to act as jury, judge and executioner for that God. I don't think either God would be happy with these people do you? I also don't think that either God will minimize or discriminate the level of punishment they will dish out to such people whether these people's victims numbered 1 versus 100 or whether over a cartoon or disagreement with the act of abortion.

But Scott, I will agree there does appear to be many more Muslims going nuts and killing innocents at this time in our history then Christians going nuts and killing innocents. Maybe in the nexty century the tables will turn, who knows. They have in the past.

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Ian Patton, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:45:41 GMT

Hi folks:
This is off topic, but I couldn't find anywhere else to put it. Just a short YouTube video on Canada's newly minted no fly list ... grrrrrrrrrrr!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIppWzTfUhU

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Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:46:29 GMT

Good link to a new story on Tim Griffin (he's the Rove aide who was appointed as US Attorney in Little Rock Arkansas during the Attorney firings). 2 Senators (Kennedy and Whitehouse) have asked for an investigation into his involvement in voter suppression (caging):

http://www.gregpalast.com/senators-demand-justice-dept-investigation-into-tim-griffin-rnc-2004-vote-caging-allegations/#more-1769

enjoy

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bob pensacola — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:47:56 GMT

What's more important to any Republican, money or country? MONEY. Money or family? MONEY. Live Iraqis with their oil or dead Iraqis with American oil? MONEY. Closing a border to ensure national security or fetchin up Manuel to replace Kunta Kinte stolen from Redneck by law? MONEY. Fethchin up the dead after Katrina for the glory of God and rebuilding their shattered world, or sucking on a parasite for 18 holes in hopes of a crumb. MONEY. Gawd Bless One Nation Under Gawd and Gawd Bless Money and the Grand Oil Party. The Rich Jesus will pay baby scooter well for jail. Will Scooter tell his tale or will the spectre of Dick the lying murdering prick knowing where the Scooterettes live keep him zipped up in the slammer? Only MONEY will tell? Do not attempt to adjust your set. Unfortunately this nightmare is real.

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SGP, Maryville, TN — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:51:19 GMT

I don't think there is any justice left on the Supreme Court. After all, they put Bush in office in the first place. Since then, with Roberts and Alito joining the crowd, it's just gotten worse. It doesn't seem like anything is going to change until We the People do something about it. Anyone ready for a new revolution?

And what's with the no touching policy in VA? I've got a middle schooler myself, and I can't imagine this being a big problem in his school. By and large, they aren't a touchy-feely bunch!

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scott henderson nv — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:05:49 GMT

C A, Tuscaloosa, Al (Sent Tuesday, June 19, 2007 1:42 PM) My only point CA, and I think you get it, is that at this point in history the Muslims are far more prone to violence. To equate present Christian violence to present Muslim violence is not accurate, the Muslims are committing far more acts of violence in the name of their religion than the Christians.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:12:45 GMT

Pam, I was using the term the way the British use it, they for some reason pluralize math and write maths. scott henderson nv (Sent Tuesday, June 19, 2007 1:36 PM)

Yeah, nice try Scott!! In case you’re not up to par on history either, Britain no longer controls this country, and I "believe" Nevada is part of "this country". No Scott, like George W. Bush, "I made a mistake" is not in your vocabulary; however, you love to point out the mistakes of others, in addition to foolishly taking on others like Todd, who is head over heals above your ability to debate!! (Amongst many other things) PEACE!!

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C A, Tuscaloosa, Al — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:18:40 GMT

Scott: I won't agree that Muslims are more "prone" to to violence. I will agree that many more fanatical Muslims appear to be more openly violent at this point in history. Any religion is prone to violence. It just depends which believe at the time that violence will achieve whatever goals or objectives they happen to desire at those times in history. Kind of like the Catholics approving the rounding up, enslaving, slaughter and elimination of the South American socities as the Incas and Mayans because they thought they were Godless and unworthy animals.

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Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:37:45 GMT

Christina, Helena, AL...Bill the Cat is MY HERO!! I still have the stuffed Bill that I bought for myself as a high school graduation present, but he looks a bit more worse for wear (if that's possible!) because he's a favorite cat toy. AND, I have laminated BLOOM COUNTY comic classics magneted on my fridge. I miss BLOOM COUNTY; thanks for the great stroll down Memory Lane!

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Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:44:54 GMT

Again breaking with my policy of not getting involved with fight wingers and their (weak) arguments):

Scott: You forgot the Crusades.

You also forgot about the Inquisition - how many thousands died in that?

Our Christian history is full of blood spilled in the name of God.

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bob pensacola — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:46:14 GMT

Ask the Chickasaw, the Cherokee, the Creek, the Choctaw and the Seminoles about Christian humanity. Ole Hickory and others labelled them the Five Civilized Tribes just before self-professed Christians shot them, stole their land and livestock, burned their villages and placed them naked and starving on the Trail of Tears to the most god-awful place they could imagine at the time, northeast Oklahoma. Oh yea, and the Dahlonega gold. The Cherokee just happened to have a bunch of gold so the Christians killed them to have something shiney. Our ancestors slaughtered their way from coast to coast and as always we need a catchy slogan, Manifest Destiny. It's not revisionist history. It's history and the truth about Christian intolerance, murder and theft. Ask the Incans or the Aztecs? Ask the Ecuadorians about Christians from Chevron?

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Dan, Princeton, IN — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:55:40 GMT

We all know Scott regularly utilizes "British" terminology on this blog. Just like his god w, both intentionally lower case, he can't admit ----ing up! And, Scott, 7:3 can certainly be used to indicate 70%, even in England.

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Terry Ballard, Merrick, New York — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:59:03 GMT

Even when Rudy was serving as Mayor/Prosecutor of New York, he wasn't found on a lot of top ten lists for nice guy. That may explain why he has such a troubled relationship with his children. Nobody has profited more from 9/11. What more needs to be said?

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:07:56 GMT

Scott - Listen to what C A has just beautifully articulated. You are STILL attempting to justify your argument that Muslims are more violent, but now in a most passive-aggressive manner through your word choice. Again, study the conflict in Ireland Scott. I’ll quote, in part, the very conflict I speak of.
“For more than 30 years the words Northern Ireland have conjured images of violence and bitter sectarian division. During that period the six counties that make up Northern Ireland -- Antrim, Armagh, Down, Fermanagh, Londonderry and Tyrone -- have witnessed a depressing catalogue of death and injury as Catholics and Protestants fought each other. Between 1966 and 1999 a total of 3,636 people were killed and 36,000 injured as the conflict spread beyond Northern Ireland's borders onto the British mainland and elsewhere. Most of the victims were innocent civilians”.
It appears you don’t fully accept the arguments by many here, or you choose to ignore the multiple postings to you regarding the murdering of doctors when entering clinics that perform abortions; however, these clinics also provide, at little or no cost, VITAL services to women who have no health insurance and cannot afford to see their "regular doctor" because they cannot afford the luxury of one. You ignore the innocent people who have been killed by bombs at these clinics, again, many who were seeking services such as necessary examinations needed as noted above.

Sectarian violence is not “owned” by Muslims, as Christians have had their share of sectarian violence throughout history. One Irish-American man wrote the following after the attacks of September 11th, “On St. Patrick’s day back in the eighties and early nineties there would be fund raising for groups that everyone knew were responsible for shipping arms to the IRA. Oh, it was never explicitly said, but just like the “Islamic charities” everyone knew what we were really paying for. I'm ashamed to admit that it took September 11th to show me the kind of murderous animal I was supporting. It took an attack on my country to make me realize that supporting terrorism was not a game, not romantic and not civilized behavior”. PEACE SCOTT!!

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George, Hammonton, NJ — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:27:35 GMT

Hello all...below is a link to Charlie Savage's first article about King George's signing statements...Required reading since it also gives a history of signing statements...Todd, please don't read! I feel you will explode or implode, not sure which!!! in 1986, a young Justice Department lawyer named Samuel Alito, Jr, wrote a strategy memo about signing statements...yes, that Samuel Alito...Reagan made them common...and Yes Scott and Larry, Clinton signed some too!!! ENJOY...

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/04/30/bush_challenges_hundreds_of_laws?mode=PF

And Keith and Countdown, I did return to viewing, but I tune out after Worst Person...I refuse to listen to any more stories about the Paris and the Mensa Blondes of the Apocalypse...I will only watch the last segment if they execute Paris...Later...

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pa, Los Angeles, CA — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:31:33 GMT

I wish the media would stop using the terms "Muslim Terrorists" or "Islamic Terrorists" and instead identify the terrorists by their national origin. We, the non-Arab Muslims, comprise 80%-85% of all Muslims but sadly must suffer for the misdeeds of some misguided souls who hide behind religion to justify their heinious acts. Our religion has been hijacked and totally trashed yet I would guarantee that most people don't even know what Islam is all about. Moderate Muslims are totally unrepresented in the Media, people's perception of Islam might change if they get to hear what true Muslims believe and practice. Of course, that will never happen.

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Buzz — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:46:57 GMT

SGP- Why would you worry about the presence of Alito and Roberts on the Supreme Court? Didn't Bush do a great job when he put "Heckova-job Brownie" on the payroll? How about Rummie. How about that guy at the World Bank? And who can forget that madcap AG Albeto Gonzales??

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:48:36 GMT

Sue - Another four-hour "black out" today?? Countdown, please keep the blog updated, as so many of us find this place the only place we can vent, debate, etc. and when it is hours before the blog is updated, our efforts becomes mute. Thank you and a HUGE WELCOME BACK KETIH!!

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George, Hammonton, NJ — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:03:54 GMT

Scott, wake up...Muslim jihadists are marginal too...What about all the Muslims in Central and Southeast Asia? Not a real hotbed for Jihad...What about the Muslims in India? Jihad is unique to Muslims in the Middle East not all Muslims around the world...if you love percentages so much, only about 20 percent of Muslims come from Arab countries...and not all 20 percent of them enjoy Jihad...the majority are peaceful people...so the percentage of Muslim Jihadists is not as mainstream as you state...more like a fringe group...the fanatic fringe...wrong again Scott...stick to Global warming, your area of expertise!!! ...For the record, mathematics is a plural noun that is treated as a singular since its meaning is singular...Maths is actually an elided form of Mathematics...Maths is used colloquially. Another example of the elided form is typos which is the elided form of typographical errors...too many years teaching English!!!

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bobf — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:25:06 GMT

Scott you are 1 step away from being a religious terrorist yourself. First demonize the opposition. State only facts and actions that justify your actions. Remember we invaded a muslim nation. Scott how would you like it if a muslim nation invades the USA. Would you not try to do everything possible to get rid of said occupiers. So Scott is assuming facts when we invaded and not the other way around. Scott if you want to get into a pissing match about which religion is worse, Just take some time and look at the history of Christianity. Who was the bishop that 20,000 civilians because about 200 people were not christians and instead of taking the time to find these 200 so called heathens, he killed them all. That way no heathen can walk away. Christian history is filled with these stories. Remember Scott , more people have died in the name of God than all other reasons combined. So Scott you are already walking down the slippery religion slope. Be careful, fall off and you might want to bomb a college that is loaded with liberals. All religious people scare me. They are just one step from being fanatics. Religious fanatics are the one causing all the hate, violence,and war in this world. I am a practicing catholic, but none of my friends know it.

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Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:36:47 GMT

LOL Pam - it was over 4 hours in black out yesterday - maybe we're getting lucky (or someone remembered to make coffee at the office over there).

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:39:24 GMT

pa, Los Angeles, CA - Bravo and I agree. I lived in Amman, Jordan and the Muslim teachings are beautiful. It is the extreme, which we have in EVERY religion, which harms those like you. I am sorry and I do defend the Islamic faith whenever I hear people who know nothing of your faith chastise it. After 9/11, a young man working at the local Seven-Eleven was terrified. I had got to know him from frequent purchases. He was not Arab, but Muslim and had just been threatened by a group of young American men. They told him they would be back to "get him". I felt so bad for this young man. There were similar stories and violence across America during that period. It was wrong, and I am sorry. God Bless & PEACE!!

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:41:27 GMT

George - Thanks for the link friend!!

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C A, Tuscaloosa, Al — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:43:03 GMT

Well Folks: you have all made your case that no matter the religion over time all religions have used violence against others in the name of their God or religion. But Scott is right on an issue here. Currently, at this time (not talking about the crusades or crimes against native americans, south american natives, northern Ireland, whatever), many of those of an Arab Muslim national origin are in fact at the height of the majority of terrorists activities, suicide bombings, etc. today. You can argue that other religions have also been exceptionally violent in the past, but it does not remove the fact that the vast majority of these current violent acts against people including others of the same nationality including innocent women and children are being committed by fanatical arab muslims in the middle east and in other parts of the world. Yes, Chrisitans have been just as guilyt of such acts of violence and crimes, but Scott is right. You do not see Christians that mostly populayte the US and Europe currently waging such gruesome and numerous bombing attackes against other Christians and/or other religious groups. Does it happen, yes. On the scale that is currently being waged by many fanatical Arab Muslims, no.

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scott henderson nv — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:58:17 GMT

Dan, Princeton, IN (Sent Tuesday, June 19, 2007 2:55 PM) My God! Now y’all are redefining mathematics symbols. The “:” symbol is used for ratio - 7:3 is 7 to 3 or 7/3*100= 233.3%. 70% would be represented by 7:10 or 70:100. No wonder attempting to converse with liberals is such an exercise in frustration, words, conventions, and symbols are redefined at will!

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scott henderson nv — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:10:06 GMT

George, Hammonton, NJ (Sent Tuesday, June 19, 2007 4:03 PM) --- South east Asia includes the Philippines, and Indonesia both of which have experienced Jihadist type terrorism. If you don’t think there is and has been Islamic terrorism in India you do not pay attention. Remember the Pope’s comments about Muslim violence which pissed the Muslim’s off so they did what? – committed violent acts. I am not arguing that all Muslims are prone to violence, I am just pointing out that in these current times Muslims are far more prone to acts of violence in the name of their religion than any others. This is just fact arguing against it is silly, which is probably why you should stick to teaching English.

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soon to be texashogfan — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:31:23 GMT

Can anybody tell me why there are so many people on the campaign trail?? And so early!

What's going on with James Webb, the Dem who beat Macaca Allen in Va? I read his (Webb's) book "Born to Fight". Good read.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, Al — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:33:39 GMT

And another thing regarding Scott-NV and Larry-SC. Sure, I think they make some inappropriate attacks on others in here and I disagree with many of their thoughts and ideas. But they have a right to them. And some of you folks who are supposed to represent the party of diversity and tolerance get just a little too carried away in your criticisms of these guys. I see no problem with disagreeing with them or challenging them, even when they may become a little nasty and call folks idiots or the like. But there is an undercurrent of intolerance in here that is not representative of what I know you people to be. An example is an attack on Scott's spelling of math. So be it. I make many spelling errors and sometimes after reading what I have posted think what the hell did I mean by that because I was typing too fast or wanted to get my thoughts posted before I double checked what it is I had written. As far as mispellings or the use of poor grammer on occassion, mention that to me and I'll tell you to kiss my ass and then move on into the next discussion with you. We should be encouraging other opinions and those that are strongly in disagreement with ours to keep these blogs interesting and tantalizing rather than belittling those who may disagree with us or who call us idiots now and then. We do some name-calling as well on occassion. And those who don't are thinking of some pretty choice names for others from time to time. I have seen it. Just some thoughts.

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Linda, Pittsburgh — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:06:26 GMT

A thought on fundamentalism: One problem with "fundamentalism" in any religion is that fundamentalists believe in literal reading--that is, they don't believe that writte words (e.g., holy books) can have more than one interpretation. Thus fundamentalism has a flaw at its core, since language, by its nature, can be figurative, ambiguous, metaphoric, etc. But the idea of only one interpretation leads individuals and groups to believe that their PARTICULAR interpretation is the correct one, and thus everyone else is a heretic or doomed to hell or something expendable. It is that intolerance of other ways of seeing the world that makes fundamentalism dangerous. But this is just my view, for what it is worth.

Jon Krakauer's book on fundamentalist Mormons ("Under the Banner of Heaven") provides a great example of the dangers I describe. And I am not citing Mormon example to be anti-Mitt. But the book provides a detailed case, if you will, examining the dangers of fundamentalism in general.

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Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:50:33 GMT

CA I tend to agree, but the fact is that we're over there meddling in their countries and have been for some time. Just think of what we would do if it was them, over here, doing to us what we're doing to them. If our doors would be broken in, us hooded and taken outside our homes to be interrogated, us jailed for suspiscion, us with no decent water or jobs, us with only a couple of hours of electricity per day when it's 115 degrees outside. What would WE do? What would our religious fanatics extoll us to do "in the name of God"?

Every kind of extreme fundamentalism is wrong.

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Jamie, Chula Vista, CA — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:00:42 GMT

Hate is hate is hate. Killers are killers are killers. Whatever.

I'm watching 'Final Report' on NGC right now. It's about Columbine HS and those swell young men that systematically killed and wounded their classmates, a teacher, and then themselves.

Oops, that wasn't recent enough, so I guess it doesn't count.

I have a question for those of you that HATE someone because of a religion that you don't understand. That you HATE someone or something, and then lump them all into one hateful, ignorant lump: What in the hell word would you have used before September 11?

For CA: Okay, let's forget the Crusades-great. But you can't forget N Ireland-sorry I was living in the UK when the Protestants were being so nice and hurling rocks at little Catholic children on their way to school because it was on 'their' street. I lived in the UK from 2000-03.

Sorry if the Okalahoma City bombings are soooo last century. Oh yeah, and the Atlanta Olympic bombing that was committed by that coward the blew up the Planned Parenthood then hid out in the woods.

You guys want to argue about the hatred and violence of one religion or another, go ahead. But hey, try looking at the violence that happens every single day in this country by just about anybody. Violence that serves no rhyme or reason.

I know, let's just go 'make a parking lot' out of all those countries with 'those' people.

Excuse me-as one that has aligned herself with terrorists, I shall be done.

PEACE!

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Todd, New Orleans, LA — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:51:14 GMT

Scott - Your ignorance in math is noted. And keep saying liberal like it's a bad thing. It makes me giggle.

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George, Hammonton, NJ — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:10:35 GMT

Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do evil from religious conviction...Pascal

Fear first created the gods...Santayana...

Scott...I knew you would mention the Philippines and Indonesia...Many, if not most, of the Jihadist bombings in both countries have been traced back to al Qaeda, bin Missing, I mean bid Liden, and the Taliban network...Suicide bombings and Jihad are indigenous to the Middle East, which the Middle East has spread around the world...endemic ot the Muslims in the Middle East...since Indonesia is the most populated Muslim country, it is a safe haven for the al Qaeda network...Experts agree that the terrorist attacks within Indonesia—including a December 2000 church-bombing campaign, the August 2001 bombing of a Jakarta shopping mall by a Malaysian national, the August 2003 bombing outside the Marriot Hotel in Jakarta, and the October 2005 suicide bombings in Bali—are connected to the al Qaeda network...Abu Sayyaf is a terrorist organization in the Philippines with connections to al Qaeda and bin Liden...I concede there is probably some homegrown Jihad too...

Scott I do agree, cannot believe that I just wrote that, the Middle Eastern Muslims are more prone to bombings and violence than most other religions...however, Scott, remember the violence and bombings in Northern Ireland over religion...sure, the IRA has calmed done a bit...but many IRA bombs have killed people in the name of Christ...wasn't that long ago...lots of religious fanatics in the world...Middle Eastern Jihadists may lead the way in 2007, but many have come before them...

Ever hear of rhetoric, Scott?...developed by the Sophists...the art of argument and persuasion...I taught rhetoric; English is just the words...building arguments and arguing is what rhetoric orginally meant...

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:28:32 GMT

Right on Jamie!!

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:48:34 GMT

C A - I do take a bit of exception with your "Arab Muslim" statement. I here you; however, Pakistanis, Asians and most of India are predominantly Muslims and they are not Arab. Pakistanis, in particular, do not like us!! I agree that "today" we are seeing more attacks from Muslims; however, one cannot simply speak in the timeframe of "today", nor state the fanatics are "Arab Muslims". It is simply not true and it does an injustice to both Arabs and the Islamic faith. I very rarely disagree with you; however, I do here. Also, while attacking Scott's spelling is unkind, as I have made hundreds of both spelling and grammatical errors on my blogs; when someone calls someone an "idiot", followed by directly attacking one’s "math skills", I believe there are those occasions where they deserve to be put in their place. I could be wrong, as I am many times. I have ignored Scott most recently; however, I will never forget him accusing Jamie of "being aligned with the terrorists" because she feared for her brother, who was preparing to deploy to Iraq. I will also never forget Jamie's beautiful reply back to Scott, where she told all of us here about her brave service to this country, in addition to many of her family members that proudly served this country. Scott has crossed lines many times. I agree that I used to immediately respond via “attack”; however, because of yours and Independent's words of wisdom, I pray and fight replying to him and have been able to ignore him. I believe today, after what he wrote to Todd, he deserved to be put in his place. After insulting Todd numerous times, i.e. "you wrote your own law degree", etc. he then had the audacity to say "you’re probably a junior high teacher". Ok, he called Todd a liar and insulted the teaching profession simultaneously. The teaching profession, in my opinion, is one of the most honorable and challenging professions there is, and insulting this profession was indeed a disgrace. It was also disgraceful to verbally assault Jamie as he did. Thank you.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, Al — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 04:43:43 GMT

Pam: Exception noted. But be reminded that Scott knows exactly what he is doing and some of you are falling for it. While making attempts to defend against Scott's intolerance he brings out a degree of intolerance that exist in some here. Yes, there is varying degrees of intolerance in everyone on this blog, and for those who wish to deny it I would be the first to call them liars. I do not condone name calling you know that, but what Scott has done is reverse the role of those who proclaim they also do not condone name calling. And when others allow Scott's comments to control the conversation (10 reponses immediately to his one post) then you open the door for intolerance to spew from both sides. In effect, Scott has won for he is controling others on this blog. But if he never wins he loses control and would not return to play another game. As you know I believe those on the right have become very intolerant of others. All I am saying is to be careful not to allow the same to trap you into expressing what many of us accuse them of (intolerance). Don't let them force you to allow your intolerances to come to the surface. If people do wish to recognize and respond to people as Scott then bring them into the fold and use the power of persuasion to gain some cooperation out of them no matter how nasty they may be, because attempting to persuade them while also keeping them at arms length will never work. All it takes is finding one, just one tiny portion of their comments that you can swallow some pride and find a way to agree with them. When you do this, you have them. They will come into the spiders web. They may continue to disagree with you but the name calling will drastically decrease. Just remember the times in the past when Scott called me twice as many names and of a more vicious nature then he has with any others in here. He and I still no longer see eye to eye on most issues but his personal attacks against me have stopped, as I noticed they have decreased with you as well.

Regarding terrorists and acts of violence currently taking place across the globe including yes, here in the States as Jamie so willingly pointed out (Oklahoma, Atlanta, the Planned ParentHood facility), I will stick with my comment that now, at this time, the largest and most vicious amounts of brutal acts of terrorists religious violence is coming from persons of a middle eastern nationality who have abandoned the true faith of Islam and have replaced it with a violent substitute. I am in no way including all Muslims or people of a middle eastern religion or nationality. And I agree that the act of killing is no different here as it is in Iraq, Pakistan, North Korea, China, Russia, India, Austrailia, whereever. Killing is killing as I believe Jamie stated. But the purpose behind the killings, the intent, is not always the same and is more ferocious and fanatical coming from those who claim a religious right and a religious purpose to do so. And those twisted religious off-springs that promise heavenly rewards for those who sacrafice themselves in the name of that religion are even more dangerous and more agressive. They can be unstoppable (ask Isreal). I know about violence in other parts of the world. The majority of you here are younger and I pray you will not have to experience further horrors of any type of violence or the effects of violence as Oklahoma, Atlanta, 911, Iraq, Planned PareentHood facility bombings, or any other violence to which you may have been exposed. But I have seen it, lived it and participated in it, both in Vietnam and later in another role, and alone, that took me to places as most countries in South America, yes Jamie Northern Ireland, much of the Middle East, Russia, North Korea, Great Britain, Indonesia, Isreal, Palestine, Beruit, most of Europe and many other countries. And I can tell you that although some of you have experienced violence and/or the effects of violence on yourself or loved ones, you have not a clue and never wish to experience the types of violence that these types of people can bring down upon you day in and day out with no rest or time for breaks until the day they put you in the ground. And the same applies to the US. It has not a clue what on-going daily loss of life resulting from terrorists acts by religious fanatics can do to the psyche of a nation and each individual citizen and their ability too remain tolerant human beings. There would be no comparisons then or even acknowldgement that others of another religious persuasion have also been violent. Your world will be centered solely on the destruction of those who have done you and yours harm and your intolerances will surface quickly against those of a similar nationality or religious persuasion. And do not say otherwise until you have experienced it. I hope you don't, but if you do, it will not come from numerous Tim McVeighs, Northern Ireland, those countries who sponsored the Crusades, Europe, Indonesia, etc. It will come from those who have been persuaded that their self destructive acts of terrorism will gain them a special place next to their Islamic God for taking out as many western devils as they possibly could. I agree we are in a different kind of war with middle eastern bred terrorists regardless of whose fault it is we are hated so much. And you need to also accept that as fact. I do not agree with how this administration is waging that war. And as with any person or leader or fanatic whose purpose is to do the US harm you bring them into the fold as a friend and keep them in your hip pocket until the day they succumb to your persuasions not to do you harm or until you need to cut their throat. I have never kept my enemies or those who wish me harm or who may have called me names at arms length. Only a fool does that. I have kept them in my hip pocket, in my web, and I am still alive and unscathed.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 05:47:33 GMT

C A - Thank you!! I did agree, as noted in my post, that "today", Muslim extremists are carrying out violent attacks in the Middle East. Where I differ with your original post is your reference that this violence is being carried out by mostly Arab Muslims. With the horrific violence and atrocities committed in Darfur, which have been ignored by this Administration and in large part by the media, this lends much credence to your argument regarding Muslim violence “today”. Much different than the Second Sudanese Civil War, where northern Muslims were fighting Christian and Animist in the south, most all of the fighters and victims in the current conflict are Muslim. However, it is not solely Arab Muslims, as evidenced by last summer’s successful efforts by the British to uncover the terrorist plot to use liquid explosives on American-owned airlines. These young men were “home grown” terrorists, born and raised in England. Pakistan is filled with terrorists who are not Arab. This lends much credence to Jamie’s argument. I still staunchly believe that when people dangerously enter the area of discussing religious conflict and attack one religion in doing so, it is unfair. Past conflicts are an important reminder that ALL religions are guilty of atrocities and crimes against humanity; and it is not just “today’s” conflicts that should be discussed. One must be very careful in their writing and word choice. I personally do believe Scott was attacking Muslims, ignoring past religious conflicts and ignoring domestic terrorism, which is why he received the responses he did, i.e. Ireland, Planned Parenthood clinics, etc. I also agree with Jamie and firmly believe we, as a nation, must look in a mirror prior to insulting a religion or painting all “Arabs” with one brush. In my opinion, I believe Scott’s word choice implied such. I really enjoyed your response.

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Todd, New Orleans, LA — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:11:06 GMT

Thanks, George from NJ. I didn't explode or catch fire because I have seen that little bit of nonsense before and I have always thought he was a planted puppet just like Roberts and Scalia (who is probably a co-conspirator with Cheney - look into their "close personal relationship" if you doubt it). However, given the nature of the material, your concern over my combustibility is both merited and appreciated. As much as I disliked Rehnquist (ok, loathed), this current bunch makes him look like Mr. Roger's. I am a long time advocate for limits being placed on Supreme Court Justices' service because of the very situation we see today.

My biggest complaint? The Lifetime Appointment. The lifetime appointment HELPS fascists like Bush, it does not ensure the independent power of the judiciary as it was designed. At this point, the only way to ensure an independent judiciary is to PROPERLY Amend the Constitution to impose term limits. You should be able to be on the Supreme Court for a term of 15 years or retire at age 65, whichever comes first. That would provide enough stability over time to retain (enhance at this point) political independence while ensuring enough new blood is introduced to keep the Court dynamic and responsive (something it is not today). It would also cycle out the bought and paid for quicker. I for one, really want Darth Scalia gone and have since day one. In addition to Alito and Roberts, Justice Thomas needs to go as well. He was only marginally qualified to start with and he's been riding someone's coat tails since he got there. Not a big original thinker, that Thomas, and God knows you wouldn't want to drink after him. Scott, if you are reading this, that was a pubic hair joke in case the ball went through that hole in your glove.

Again George, thanks for the info and for continuing to prove that English teachers are a wealth of knowledge. I confess a bias in that area as English Lit is one of my undergrad degrees. So keep the good stuff coming . . . just try to leave Chaucer out of it.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, Al — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:50:29 GMT

Pam: I cannot say for sure that Scott was attacking a religion. I'm not sure when he referenced the Muslim extremist he was not attacking the religion but rather those fanatics who have twisted that religion in order to carry out their war against the west or any that will stand in their way including their own people. I suppose it is difficult to both express oneself and to read into people when any reference to a religion, culture, people, race, whatever is used in a discussion. Are they attacking the religion or those identified with the religion and who have used it to attack and kill others.

I believe Scott used the statement "the Muslims who believe in suicide and jihad". That is not attcking the religion nor is it attacking Muslims who do not believe in suicide murder or jihad. That is attacking those who have twisted that religion for their own brutal use. Scott also did state "we're talking about a lot of Muslims". Again, although we may or may not agree with what he means by a lot, he was not attcking the religion as much as he was those who support and encourage suicide bombings or other types of bombings to kill others.

But don't ask me, perhaps someone should ask Scott rather than taking offense before we know his true intent. If he is reading these posts let's ask him. Scott, are you attacking the Muslim religion in general and stating that the religion is responsible for much of the violence occuring today, or are you attacking those who use the Muslim religion and have twisted the true religion for their own hateful and murderous purposes? And I don't think that Scott disagrees that others have twisted and used other religions to cause and create a great deal of violence towards others in the past, some in the recent past as in Northern Ireland. I think rather than responding so quickly and immediately to people we need to try and read between the lines of what they are stating and if still not sure as to their position or true intent before we respond simply ask them to clairfy their thoughts and opinions.

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Todd, New Orleans, LA — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:20:27 GMT

George. Please ignore the comma splice. I don't proof this stuff. lol

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:08:15 GMT

C A - Another well written and extremely well thought out piece of work!! I believe your question regarding asking Scott what he meant is not only a very valid question; I staunchly believe he should answer it, in large part, based on his past writings.

As far as "reading between the lines" where Scott is concerned, based on his collective opinions via multiple posts on this blog, I did read between the lines prior to coming to my conclusion. Scott has expressed a great deal of bigotry and hatred towards Muslims; however, I sincerely HOPE I came to the wrong conclusion, but I have very serious doubts.

It will be interesting to read Scott's answer, if indeed he does answer your question. PEACE FRIEND!!

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George, Hammonton, NJ — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:53:53 GMT

Todd...I couldn't agree more...the Supreme Court influences our lives more than any politician can...I had always been miffed as to why the Justices get a political appointment for life...I totally agree the Supreme Court Justices should have term limits just like the Presidents that nominate them....so how do we go about changing the law??? Any suggestions my friend? Don't worry about a comma splice...not formal writing!!! no grammar police here...I err too!!! lol...

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PA, Los Angeles, CA — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:42:00 GMT

Pam, thanks for your response. A lot of the posts here are very insightful unlike some sites that make you recoil from the pure hatred and venom towards Muslims and anything related to Islam.

"The crazy Christians are marginalized; the Muslims who believe in suicide bombings and jihad are mainstream." - Scott, how do you justify making a statement like that? What do you really know about mainstream Islam? Don't swallow everything that the biased media feeds you.

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DaveB, Huntsville, AL — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:42:51 GMT

scottv wrote: "Your arguments on this Todd, are like comparing a nuclear weapon to a rifle, after all both can kill."
Funny thing there is that the Muslims have the rifles and the Christians have the nuclear bombs... ok, not funny, but ironic...

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Jamie, Chula Vista, CA — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:40:27 GMT

C A: This will be my last post on the topic of Muslim vs. Christians and their abilities to kill-whether now or then, and all of the violence that exists everywhere in the world.

I don't address some people on here directly, and I do that for a reason. However, whether one comes on here to play devils advocate, or they are just blatantly ignorant, then so be it. Scott may or may not be just that person.

That being said, things have been posted on here that have been hateful towards Muslims in general-hence the bringing up of what Christians have done in the past. You may try and dismiss it, but it is fair comparison. This isn't Disneyland and we can't erase the past.

You can come on here with your experience and try to be some sort of voice of reason, that's fine, but I don't need anybody to try and explain away someone elses hatred. I respect the fact that you have obviously seen the horrors of what one human can do to another, but it's not fair to post as though we shouldn't speak out! I'm sorry that you have witnessed what you have, and like you, I pray that I never have to. However, to minimize our feelings, and I feel that is what you are doing, isn't fair.

I don't like Scott. Plain and simple. And yes, I'm posting as though he isn't around. He is very mean, accusatory, etc.. It used to bother me what he said, but after his blatantly ignorant accusation of me, his post just began fodder.

Don't bother to respond to this post C A. Like I said, you can try and be the voice of reason, but you can't change the way people feel or how they should respond-it's called human nature!

PEACE!

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Todd, New Orleans, LA — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:29:31 GMT

George, it is nice to see that you follow the wisdom of Steve Martin when he said, "Some people have a way with the English language and some people have not way."

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C A, Tuscaloosa, Al — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:45:49 GMT

PA: If Scott is predjdice towards the Muslim popoulation in any way I would never defend any inferred statements he may make. I am awaiting a reply from Scott to the questions I posed to him in a post above. I am asssuming at this point that Scott is not anymore predjudice or intolerant than any of us here but lets his words and statements get the best of his intented opinions. So I assume that when Scott speaks of crazy Christians he is not speaking of all Christians but those who kill others in the name of their religion or God (i.e. Family Planning Clinics). I also think that when Scott speaks of those mainstream suicide bombers and jihadists he is not accusing the entire Muslim population or community of such acts but only those extremist who kill others in the name of their religion and God.

The fact is PA, the only people who can stop the extremists using both religions for purposes of hate and violence, any religion for that matter, are those who are good, kind, caring and devoted members of those religions. Muslims must speak out against the extremist who use and twist the religion of Islam for the purpose of waging death and war on others. Christians must speak out against those who use and twist the religion of Christianity for the purpose of waging death and war on others. Regarding Iraq, the religious leaders and good, kind and devoted Sunni and Shiite people must condemn and speak out forcefully against those who use their religion to wage death and war aginst one another. They must be the ambassadors and the diplomats. No other people including and especially those from the US can do this for them. It must be resolved from within. The same applies to the Palestinians. Their troubles and those created with other nations as Isreal can only be resolved by the Palestinian people themselves. If they have issues with Israel and were to learn and understand how to play the role of the down and trodden, while ceasing the violence committed by the few extremists they would have the entire world supporting their causes. Think of the Chinese student standing his ground defenseless in front of a Chinese tank versus those extemists Palestinians who strap bombs to themselves and set them off on Israelis buses or in Israelis restaurants. Which of the two can expect world support? Which of the two can expect less tolerance for their people as a reesult of those extremists who claim they represent their interests and their religion? Is it right that others will become less tolerant of a people because of the actions of a few within their population? No, it is not right. It is however one of the frailties and blemishes of human nature. With this understanding those who are good and non-violent within that race, nationallity or religion must do whatever they can to denounce, reject and elimnate those extremists within their ranks. I know that the majority of Muslims and those who belong to the Islam religion are attempting to do just that and I commend them for it.

One other thing. While working out their issues internally the Iraqi people as well as other Arab States in the area need to tell George Bush to get the hell out of their country and mind his own business.

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Bill Rochester NY — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:40:18 GMT

Re: The Christian vs. Muslim propensity for violence and the like. I'd just like to say DEATH TO ALL FANATICS!! Thanks

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:13:58 GMT

Jamie - Thank you for reading my mind, as it saved me a great deal of writing and time!! My sentiments about Scott, his bigotry, his hatred, etc. are a DIRECT result of what HE has posted. I thought long and hard last night about Scott, and after examining his writings, current and past, I came to the conclusion I did. I "read between the lines", and my conclusion still stands.

We all have indeed been guilty of writing "something" here, and myself surely included; however, these “writings” are not even in the same ballpark as Scott’s insults directed at others, like you, have been. I will NEVER forget, as noted in my above post, his unspeakable assault on you.

It will be interesting to see if he responds to C A's question. However, I agree with you completely and I believe the ball is now in Scott’s court. PEACE FRIEND!!

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bob pensacola — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:00:40 GMT

How much of that cocaine was Rudy snorting and the rest of his gang. You don't have one guy on the bus who just happens to deal cocaine and none of the other Republican rollers aren't snorting their share. Staying up late boys? Rudy could be pimping for much of lower Manhattan for all we know. Who knows what goes on in American politics. Politicians sure don't parade in open cars, stand on balconies or take shortcuts through kitchens. Cocaine, swimming all around my brain. Ask Rudy how much he's doing and if he and his staff would submit to a drug test like any high school student just to clear it all up. Rudy's a bad boy!!

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bob pensacola — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:02:07 GMT

Thanks Todd I needed a laugh. good one.

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PA, Los Angeles — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:58:28 GMT

C A, what voice do we really have here in the US at this present time? When we try to speak who really listens? We recently had an "Open Mosque Day" to create a dialogue and foster some understanding and maybel dispel some myths concerning Islam. Hardly anyone showed up, people would not even take the flyers when we tried to hand them out. Most people have made up their minds and there's no changing them. If we try to speak out we'll be branded as unpatriotic and maybe even terrorist symphathizers, even though we have made our lives here. Dare we say anything? Concerning Iraq, what are the general populace to do, they are fleeing their country in droves just to survive. Muslims are killing Muslims, with no regard to the innocent lives that are being lost, it is not about religion, it is only about power. This horrible situation was created when this Administration decided to invade this country, where was world sympathy then? Nobody came to their aid and now they are in an abyss of hell, from which there is no escape. Taking of innocent lives is deplorable, be it by suicide bombing or by bombs from the air.

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Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa — Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:44:16 GMT

PA. Back in the early Eighties, I became friends with a guy from Iran. He had become an outcast from there, as had many of his friends, trapped as it were by the Ayatollah Khomeini's blind hatred of the Shah and those, even innocently connected to the Shah's government. Those friends of his from High School were taken down to the shore of the Caspian Sea and shot. My friend was sent photographs taken by a sister of one of the executed. Some time later, my friend's infant son died and the day of the funeral, no one showed up to help him bury his little boy. Many of the people he knew were afraid to come and be associated with him, not knowing where he was on the despised list. It was he, an old Ayatollah in Iowa for medical treatment who was an old friend of his father, and I. I told the Holy Man that if it wasn't right for me to be there, I would leave. He told me that Allah was merciful and would notice how I cared for my friend in his time of sorrow. Later, the three of us had dinner and talked. The old Ayatollah actually knew Khomeini from long ago. He told me something I have always remembered. The Prophet had amassed a great army, the greatest in Arabia. He had killed many and was unstoppable. Allah came to him and told him that his love must overcome his anger. The killing was stopped. My hope for the angry people of the world is for them to have the same epiphany that Mohammed had. And that their love overcomes their anger. Inshallah.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:14:48 GMT

PA, Los Angeles - I certainly would have come to your "Open Mosque Day" and I commend you in your efforts at both educating Americans about the Islamic faith, in addition bringing us together.

Should you ever have, or organize events as such in the future, please post it here. I WILL come!! Thank you and PEACE!!

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Andy, DC — Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:44:52 GMT

Actually, scott henderson nv, you are wrong. 7:3 means for every 7 there's 3 of something else, or 7 out of 10, or 70%.

Why Rudy Quit the ISG

PA, Los Angeles — Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:03:40 GMT

Steve, I echo your sentiment. There will come a day when we can all live in peace and security and have respect for each other's beliefs, Insha Allah!