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Independent, Texas — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:02:39 GMT

#3 - yeah, yeah, Clinton and Obama have money.

What I find really interesting is how much money Ron Paul has! Check it out, Coundown. I think you'd get a real kick out of reporting on this.

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Brenda Deltona FL — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:03:30 GMT

Cheney must have told him, no no don't say that.. don't tell them that we could leave right now.. recant.. tell them till January.. so we can continue to rip the american people off some more...

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Independent, Texas — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:12:05 GMT

#1 - Well, Gonzales IS the expert on how to conduct voter fraud or, at least, on how to hire those experts.

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Bonnie — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:20:00 GMT

Take all the time off you want, Countdown, as long as you always come back as sharp as you have recently. The baby was certainly splashing in the bathwater tonight. And who knows? Thanks to you, two-handed lever pulling may become the next new Olympic sport. By the way, bombs away on Robert Novak -- it's about time someone called him out for what he is -- just another tool. Maybe two-handed Novak pulling could also become an Olympic sport.

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M, Moss, MISS — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:28:36 GMT

Running out of ideas or grasping at straws ko

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Tru M., Cleveland, Ohio — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:32:14 GMT

Actually, Keith, I believe the quote you are looking for is the one from our famous and beloved host of Three Stooges movies and old cartoons on weekday afternoons in Cleveland back in the sixties, Captain Penny...he said "You can fool all of the people some of the time, and you can fool some of the people all of the time...BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL MOM!"

Seriously, thanks for showing up and giving us a Countdown tonight, despite being, as I suspected, in Los Angeles! It is truly appreciated! Great show tonight, too...even if the comment about Paris Hilton probably should have earned you a mouthful of the old Lifebuoy!!

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L. Moore, King City, CA — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:36:19 GMT

#5: One problem with the Wait-until-September idea is that the media have let Bush betray-us once again by letting him control the conversation. Fall guy Petraeus does not have any authority to assess political issues; he will give us a narrow military assessment in September. The media and everyone else are all expecting a political decision in September. Bush will be able to stall once again as he assesses the military assessment. So, don’t let the Petraeus assessment mean too much.

Countdown: Jan. 20, 2009 is US Liberation Day, the day we are free from Bushy (unless he gets booted out sooner).

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Nanalinda — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:48:44 GMT

NO. 1 story. I'm sure that Gonzales will go with his master's choice. Springfield, Texas. As usual, there will be enough votes.

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Gerald Von Riesen Parker CO — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:56:49 GMT

Bart could not have pulled it off it must have been Maggie. Gonzales will need help so call in the judges from Idol and maybe a few cameos by past unelected officials like bush and chenney. (I no longer call him president nor capitalize his name.)

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Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:02:55 GMT

Good evening, everyone. I heard something on NPR today that relates to tonight's #5 story. A DAY TO DAY correspondent interviewed one of the members of the Iraqi parliment today who basically said that since the United States was responsible for Al Qaeda being in Iraq, we should stay until they're gone no matter how long it takes. THIS COMMENT CAME FROM SOMEONE IN THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT! Ugh...if this is the kind of mindset we're dealing with...I really don't know what to think. The United States has already lost so much in terms of precious lives, international credibility, peace of mind (for lack of a better term) for surving veterans and their families, and I don't think we'll ever truly know the cost in Iraqi innocent people, but if what we've given up as a nation is not "good" enough for these guys, and I hope you all know that I'm talking about our brave fighting men and women and not the crooked Halliburton-ites just out to make a buck at the expense of the blood and lives of the less powerful, I say F--- 'em! I don't know if anything I just said made sense. Chalk my comments up to frustrated confusion.

And, as far as using the 'ol "executive privilege" mantra with Pat Tilman...PAT TILMAN??!! So, does this also mean that Pat Tilman's family will still not (if ever) know the full story of what killed him and/or how he died? Will that information be deemed some kind of matter of national security so even his family won't know?! I was interrupted a couple of times during Jonathan Turley's segment, so if he covered this aspect of it, I apologize. Once again, I think of the wonderful quote from one of the lawyers in the Army-McCarthy hearings: "Have you no sense of decency [sorry if the spelling is botched], sir?" Yep, I already know the answer. This administration does not.

And, as far as "Decision 2008," leave it to P.O.S How-Dare-He-Call-Himself-A-Journalist Robert Novak to say that Republicans were looking forward to possibly going against a Democratic ticket consisting of a woman and an African-American. I wouldn't put it past Republicans to try this or any tactic if they think it will energize the base, tally up the donations, and help them win AT ANY COST.

Boy oh boy oh boy...can't wait until the SIMPSONS movie comes out; I don't give a rat's behind about Harry. Sorry to all the Potter fans here! :)

Everyone try to have a good evening, and I'll be back tomorrow. Peace and good health TO US ALL...

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Larry Charleston, SC — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:06:31 GMT

yes, but 100% of the liberals are being fooled by Keith O ! LOL

Give 'em hell "W" , we are winning the war !

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Larry Charleston, SC — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:11:27 GMT

Nice try Keithie, Hillary will take care of Barak Hussein Obama, he will not survive regardless of the $. And Hillary and Breck Girl John Edwards have already decided which liberal to eliminate. Don't need the supreme court, you have HIlLARY 1 LOL

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Sorin Iancu , Milwaukee , Wisconsin — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:17:01 GMT

The United States of America is at war . The external enemies are Islamofascism and the states sponsoring it . The internal enemies of the state are more dangerous : Islamists , left wing fascists , anarchists , communists and right wing fascists . All of them are allied against the democratic capitalism and our way of life . Keith Olbermann ( and Chris M ) are only two of them .The country needs new laws to deal with them and another islamoterrorist attack will give those necessary powers to our leaders.

— Posted by sorin I.

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Wayne, M'town TN — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:41:59 GMT

" Yet the truth of those words, outweigh even the myth who said them"
Myths speak?

"Our fifth story on the Countdown: a new poll tonight, and in it, nearly two-thirds of the American public, is no longer being fooled, all the time, by President Bush's... surge in Iraq.
"
Bit early don't you think? Or is it a case of fear that the surge will show results?

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Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:49:17 GMT

A good use for taxpayer money would be building a cell block in the Capitol Building so that Congress can lock these contemputous fools up and hold their trials. Now THAT would be "must see TV".

Meiers, Rove, Gonzo, Darth Veeper, BushCo - your cells are waiting.

I emailed Sirius radio about their clear bias in labelling channels. If they won't call me a "Patriot", they can't call me a "Subscriber" either.

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Jamie, Chula Vista, CA — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 03:15:16 GMT

Hey folks. My boys are going back to school tomorrow (year round), and I'm taking a break for a few days-have to get back into the groove.

Hopefully by the time I get back, the little zits on life that don't have enough cajones to use their own name, or can't move away from their pointless posts, will go away. I doubt it, but one could only hope.

I know it is tempting folks, cause lord knows I've responded, but ignore them. Ignore them all. They all live in the past or have their heads buried in the sand. Ignore them and they will go away. They are fleas, as Sue has called them, and while you may be tempted to itch, don't. Get some 'calomine' and let it go. Even the regular resident mental midget can't add anything without an unsolicited insult and his favorite word 'liberal'.

Ciao, and see you soon.

PEACE!

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beverdambob — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 03:32:00 GMT

K.O. - I beg to differ with you, 26% of the core right wing nuts still believe whatever the shrub and elmer fudd tell them, and they always will. It is up the the rest of us to impeach these fools while there is still something left of our constitution. Just think what our country could accomplish if lets say there were only 5 or 10% wing nuts. sigh, we could only be so lucky.

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Niels, foolin' around on Bayou DeGradeabelle, Post-Katrina MS — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 04:06:52 GMT

I think we can safely conclude that Bush's "base" is comprised of the "some" who can be fooled all of the time.

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Brenda Deltona FL — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 04:49:46 GMT

Tru M. I was raised in Ohio and I loved Captain Penny.. I remember when he came to the Mall and my mom took me and my sister to see him.... dag that was eons ago it seems.. LOL thanks for bringing up a good childhood memory!

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Bob W, Chicago — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:05:36 GMT

Here is an article from the Guardian by Eric Alterman that describes the neo-cons continuing denial of reality and their subsequent character assassination of anyone who tries to point out this reality to them:

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/eric_alterman/2007/07/death_and_denial_death_and_den.html

Sounds like a couple of the bloggers on this string pretty much buy into this 'thinking'. The only problem with this 'theory' that only liberals are against the president's strategy is that about 70 - 75% of the country now disapproves of this President and his policies, and 2/3 think the surge is failing. Apparently, almost overnight, liberals have gone from about 25% of the populace to about 70%, which I guess would also now include the current CIA director, a number of Pentagon generals, Brent Scowcroft, Kenneth Adelman, Richard Clarke, and numerous others who have criticized Bush's Iraq strategy. Well, we're glad to have you all - where have you been all these years? I didn't know liberalism had become such a big tent.

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Timothy — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:43:45 GMT

Its the "If you're not with us, you must be Liberal" mentality. Many of these Right-wing supporters truly do believe that we're winning the war because they have been programmed to get their information from Right-wing news sources who constantly tell right-wing lies. These same individuals who get their news from Right-wing slanted news sources constantly complain how stupid it is for people to get their news from slanted media. Got to love the irony there huh? If it slants in their direction, its believable but if it doesn't, its "Liberal" and they ignore it. Whats the difference between ignorance and stupidity? Ignorance is CHOOSING to be stupid. These people have been programmed to see things in only black and white and still, they're color-blind.

Larry from Charleston is a classic textbook example. Don't like what you hear so deny it, ignore it, and attack the messenger. Draw attention from your own shortcomings by childishly pointing out other's in an act of desperation to avoid the truth at all costs. It is known as "Groupthink" and it has swept the Rightwing quite effectively for many years now. Some people are just natural born followers. They go to sources that will allow them to have the leadership they so desperately need whether its correct or conducive to their well-being or not. They need to be comforted. Many Americans who voted Republican, voted for Bush and supported this war on terror are not coming to the realization that they hitched their cart to the wrong wagon. They are now labeled "Liberals" by those who are only intelligent enough to see black and white like Larry from Charleston. "You're either with us or against us!" How very simple and elementary like a child's point of view. Very effective programming indeed.

Groupthink is an obligation to agree with policies and practices of the collectivism. They gather around blogs, radio programs and TV shows as acolytes to leaders like Coulter, Malkin, Hannity, O'Reilly and Limbaugh and simply echo what ever they say as the almighty truth because the other acolytes are doing it as well. "Must maintain groupthink and swim in the same direction as the collective or I too may be labeled a Liberal." They constantly attack those who differ from them as being "Terrorist supporters" or "defeatists" or "Islamofacists" (yes they make words up) because they have been programmed to fear pretty much everything including their own shadows. Their groupthink is their "woobie". Sad! Funny but sad!

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Maureen Young — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:26:25 GMT

I have been trying to decipher the President's reasoning of "fighting the
enemy over there instead of fighting them here".

So, trying to make sense of this, I have come up with the following:

There is a bully in the neighborhood (El Qaida).
So, instead of confronting the bully on our own playground, the President
chooses to fight the bully on someone else's playground. This keeps our playground
neat and clean , thus restricting the collateral damage to someone else's playground.

Does this seem wrong to anyone else?
It is selfish. It is contemptible. It is imperialistic. It is wrong.

If we are telling Iraqi's that we are waging war there, so we don't have to fight
here, is it any wonder they hate us? Thus we are "messing up their playground,
so we don't have to mess up our playground at home".

Who is the bully, now Mr. President?

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Ron Hunter,Piedmont,Missouri — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:33:33 GMT

Check out the Crusades in the 1100's,same stuff,different day. As for the bushites,"You can't help DUMB!"

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Sherri, Charleston WV — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:52:28 GMT

Missed Countdown last night, but according to this blog......Hey Larry in SC Sorry bro, but ya'll got your own Breck Gal now don't ya? At least Edwards called it a haircut and not a "consultant fee". AS far as the September "deadline"; it just occured to me. If the Iraqi government is getting ready to take a vacation or whatever you want to call it, how the everloving hell are they going to have all their benchmarks met? And while we are at it, what the hell is our legislative branch doing getting ready to take 30 days off while our good folks go to the front in Iraq? Nobody has any balls anymore.

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Tru M., Cleveland, Ohio — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:15:32 GMT

Jamie, I'm sorry, I wish I could ignore some of these wingnuts but they frighten me. Keith Olbermann is an "internal enemy of the state" and new laws are needed to "deal with" him? Just where did these people learn about America and what it's about anyway? Sorin Iancu, where did you grow up? Romania under Ceaucescu? Do you realize that America is not Romania and Bush is not Ceaucescu? Do you remember what HAPPENED to Ceaucescu?

There was a time when it was possible to politely agree to disagree with people politically, shake hands and everything was relatively fine. Those days are gone. The far right is now determined to have complete victory and impose their vision of America permanently: America as police state, in which all must obey the leader they put into place, and protesters and dissidents are executed for their "disloyalty" and "lack of patriotism."

I know I can't afford to pay attention to them all, but can we afford to ignore them all either? How many of them are merely stupid, vs. how many are downright dangerous?

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Todd, New Orleans, LA — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:43:57 GMT

It appears I am not the only one who thinks Bush's new "peace" initiative is yet another misplay.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IG18Ak04.html

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Wayne, M'town TN — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:00:14 GMT

"The only problem with this 'theory' that only liberals are against the president's strategy is that about 70 - 75% of the country now disapproves of this President and his policies, and 2/3 think the surge is failing"
Polls aren't particularly accurate, even less so these days.
No Democrat will consider anything less than complete rejection of Bush and his policies so their opinions can no longer be counted on to be based on anything but partizanship. Which means that at worst about half of those who's opinion really matters back the administration. Of those who don't the constant blizzard of anti-administration propaganda and one sided war coverage takes a toll.
The Guardian is very left oriented and often prints blatantly anti-american articles, some no better than jihadist propaganda.
Recent reports are that Insurgents are abandoning positions near Baghdad. More clashes between Sunni and al-Qu'ida and the Iraqi government has finally started to work together on some key issues.

If things go as they appear to be going, al-Qu'ida will have to shift resources and fighters to Waziristan soon. Then you people can try to find some reason to reverse course on attacking Waziristan safehavens and begin claiming we should remain in Iraq rather than continuing to engage the enemy.

The situation in Waziristan is in many ways like that of Indian Nations here in the US, Law enforcement can't just roll in they must negotiate with tribal authorities. Its a very touchy situation, and the terrain has protected the tribes very well for many centuries. It will be a massive campaign.

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hank,savannah,ga — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:19:55 GMT

Lock up Michael Jerkoff while you're at it. That fool has the Brains of a Rock. But look who appointed him. "To look smart, surround yourself with Fools"

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Larry Charleston, SC — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:37:50 GMT

Bob, very telling is your statement that 2/3 THINK the surge is failing. Key word, think, because they don't know. You don't know. You believe what Harry and Nancy and Keithie tell you, but is it the truth ? WELL, here is your dilema , the liberals don't want the surge to work , that would be devastating for them so the media is doing their best to convince the people that it is failing. The problem is there are signs that it is working. Now whatcha gonna do ? Withdraw quickly before the September date ? Liberals say yes, we want no signs of winning. Republicans wait until September which was agreed upon and let's see the results. Problems for the liberals. And one more thing Bob, the liberal tent you are talking about is like a 3 ring circus tent. Every freak in the world flocks to it to be seen. Good luck in 08, I don't see a pro terrorist anti war candidate winning.

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Terry Ballard — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:27:16 GMT

Being librarian on patrol, I checked for the "Fool all of the people" quote. The earliest I could find was in a letter to the editor of the New York Times in 1892. The writer, using the alias "FAIR PLAY" from Washington does not attribute this to Lincoln.

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Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:55:17 GMT

Jamie - have a good time on your break. Hope to see you back soon.

"See you in September" is an illusion of BushCo and his enablers just as their insistance on "progress by spring" was an illusion passed around with plenty of Kool-Aid Talking Points last fall. All they want is to kick the can forward until it becomes the problem of the next president. They KNOW it will be a Democrat and plan on sitting back and sniping as he or she brings an end to this war.

They KNOW it will be a Democrat because that's what happens. It's necessary to have a grown-up assume command after the Repugnikant kiddies have had years of fun handing out tax breaks to their supporters, no-bid contracts to their political contributors, passed laws to protect their corporate allies, and made life considerably worse for the average American.

They need someone responsible enough to pay the bills that they have racked up over their administrations through the above activities, tax breaks and mismanagement. Even better, to pay the bills taxes need to be raised, so they get the extra goodie of being able to send out their talking heads to scream about Dems being "big taxers" when in reality they are frantically trying to pay all the bills they were left by the irresponsible spender they replaced.

They've got their game plan already mapped out and ready to go. They've probably got talking points already mapped out for the 2012 presidential election on what a "big taxer" the next guy will be. They know taxes must be raised because they are leaving this country more than 9 TRILLION DOLLARS in debt.

After the 2004 election, I sort of calmed myself by chuckling at how Bush would have to clean up his own mess and pay his own bills for the first time in his life. I thought he's have to bury the frat-boy and become an adult. I was so wrong! He's simply made the mess much bigger, the body count much higher, our rights non-existant, our reputation much poorer, and the debt much higher.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, Al — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:06:42 GMT

Larry and Wayne: The fact of the matter is whether you believe this surge is working to a small degree in and around Baghdad or not (pushing al-Qui'da out into surrounding areas or new locations) the Iraq people and the Iraq government will not be able to achieve any semblance of stability without long-term US presence to support the same against terrorists and any internal power hungry leaders as Sadr, and to maintain peace between the Sunni and Shiite until they get their shit together. And the fact is the American people are not and will not support a long term commitment in Iraq. So you can argue all you want that some progress is being made against al-Qui'da and it will fall on deaf ears. On the other hand, if this administration had been up front and honest with the American people that this conflict would require a long term presence and commitment WITHOUT all the other bellicose comments about fight them there so we don't have to fight them here, claiming victory on a air craft carrier prematurely, changing the reasons for the invasion in the first place to justify our presence there, and tons of other bullshit this administration has thrown at the American people regarding this conflict, they may just have had the support to remain on a long term basis. The people agreed to remove Saddam. The people did not agree to rebuild a nation requiring their loved ones to participate in extended tours of duty as police officers for Iraq for years to come. The point is you guys are arguing a mote point. Whether we should stay in Iraq or not, the majority of the American people have decided they do not want to stay long-term. This is no one's fault but those who did a very poor job of selling and communicating the over-all global objective of this invasion and subsequent policing action. This administration. And again, you do not fight world-wide terrorism by invading one country and bogging yourself down in a police action to keep (not al-Qui'da) but the inhabitants of that country from killing one another.

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K. Collins USN — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:20:22 GMT

Ignoreing countrys like Iran N. Korea, Etc is the same as saying I support what you are doing. North Korea has shut down it's Nuke reactor. Not since 1991 have we achieved such progress there. Is this example we should use toward Iran. Venezuela, Cuba etc

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The Ghost of Bill Hicks — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:35:31 GMT

Well September is a big month then. But I think we all know what to expect coming from all Bush appointed personnel (Luger , Petraeus, etc). "The Surge 2: Electric Bugaloo ?" More time, more money, more troops. What's the indicator of success? All we know from Bush is "success is not no violence." Its July and we a month and few weeks left. In Baghdad, if safe means the probability of staying alive is 50%, then perhaps we should rename the surge to "the cram."

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Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:44:56 GMT

AMEN to infinity regarding the thoughts in Tru M. Cleveland's 7:15 am post!! Civility seems to have gone the way of the dodo. Insane and downright frightening personal attacks just because someone disagrees with you seem to rule the day. WE ARE ALL AMERICANS, and we get passionate because we love our country. The environment in our country and in our government today is setting a dangerous precedent for the future no matter which party is at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. or which party is in control of Congress.

I'm not expecting us to sit around a campfire to sing folk songs, but I just wanted to second and support what Tru M. had to say.

Thanks.

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Carol, Long Valley NJ — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:48:40 GMT

Amazing, "I don't see a pro terrorist anti war candidate winning." either, because none are running on either side!

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:49:26 GMT

K. Collins USN (Sent Tuesday, July 17, 2007 12:20 PM)

Reality check "K"!! It was former President Bill Clinton that kept this crazed man in check!!

George W. Bush, in typical arrogant, idiotic and dysfunctional fashion, allowed him to test missiles and launch them on the July 4th of last year!! His dangerous policies also allowed him to begin his nuclear program.

Also, I will back to you later regarding you question posed to me yesterday regarding CENTCOM.

I was not going to respond to you at all; however, you were "nice for you" and I slept on it and decided I would "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us". I hope you will continue on this path, as in some strange way, it was nice to read your post - you appeared human.

You might want to consider doing that with Sue - APOLIGIZE!! Just a thought sir, as I thought long and hard last night about responding and will respond on a thread later today.

PEACE!!

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:54:55 GMT

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Terry Ballard — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:03:15 GMT

Just in case anyone forgot, here is the definition of Victory in Iraq from Bush's report on the subject in November, 2005:

"Iraq is peaceful, united, stable, and secure, well integrated into the international
community, and a full partner in the global war on terrorism."

Eighteen months later, it looks like we're almost there.

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K. Collins USN — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:05:31 GMT

Reality check "K"!! It was former President Bill Clinton that kept this crazed man in check!!

HWWWW????

George W. Bush, in typical arrogant, idiotic and dysfunctional fashion, allowed him to test missiles and launch them on the July 4th of last year!! His dangerous policies also allowed him to begin his nuclear program.

HWWWW???

If your gonna claim something you need facts to back it up, otherwise it's fiction. Correct?

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K Collins USN — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:11:38 GMT

Pam Don't mix politics with personality. I have really nothing against anybody on this blog. Believe it or not I seat for answeres rather than confict, and for what it's worth I have learned a little from you.

(no final last words this time)

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mary c., kankakee, illinois — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:25:11 GMT

Having seen Bill Moyers' Journal this past Friday on PBS, with guests Bruce Fein and John? Nichols, I believe what needs to be done in order for bush and cheney to stop their arrogance and foolery is to impeach them on their abuses of constitutional authority. It need not be political. Please someone listen.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:47:03 GMT

If your gonna claim something you need facts to back it up, otherwise it's fiction. Correct?
K. Collins USN (Sent Tuesday, July 17, 2007 1:05 PM)

K - Please sir, I'm really trying to begin a new course of action with you, so here are "the facts". I do hope you read this, as it's very long.

Bill Clinton nearly went to war against North Korea in the spring of 1994. Five years earlier, during the presidency of George Bush's father, the CIA had discovered the North Koreans were building a reprocessing facility near their nuclear reactor at Yongbyon. It was this reactor that, when finished, would allow them to convert the fuel rods into weapons-grade plutonium. Now, barely a year into Clinton's first term in office, they were preparing to remove the fuel rods from their storage site, expel the international weapons inspectors, and withdraw from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (which North Korea had signed in 1985).

However, in response, Clinton pushed the United Nations Security Council to consider sanctions. North Korea's spokesmen proclaimed that sanctions would trigger war. Clinton's generals drew up plans to send 50,000 troops to South Korea--bolstering the 37,000 that had been there for decades--as well as over 400 combat jets, 50 ships, and additional battalions of Apache helicopters, Bradley fighting vehicles, multiple-launch rockets, and Patriot air-defense missiles. Beyond mere plans, Clinton ordered in an advance team of 250 soldiers to set up logistical headquarters that could manage this massive influx of firepower. These moves sent a signal to the North Koreans that the president was willing to go to war to keep the fuel rods under international control. And, several former officials insist, he would have. At the very least, they say, he was prepared to launch an air strike on the Yongbyon reactor, even though he knew that doing so could provoke war.

Yet at the same time, Clinton set up a diplomatic back-channel to end the crisis peacefully. The vehicle for this channel was former President Jimmy Carter, who in June 1994 was sent to Pyongyang to talk with Kim Il Sung, then the leader of North Korea. Carter's trip was widely portrayed at the time as a private venture, unapproved by President Clinton. However, a new book about the '94 North Korean crisis, Going Critical, written by three former officials who played key roles in the events' unfolding, reveals that Clinton recruited Carter to go.

Carter was an ideal choice. As president, he had once announced that he would withdraw all U.S. troops from South Korea. He retracted the idea after it met fierce opposition, even from liberal Democrats. But it endeared him to Kim Il Sung, who, after Carter left office, issued him a standing invitation to come visit.

Then Vice President Al Gore favored the trip, seeing no other way out of the crisis. Clinton sided with Gore. As Clinton saw it, Kim Il Sung had painted himself into a corner and needed an escape hatch--a clear path to back away from the brink without losing face, without appearing to buckle under pressure from the U.S. government. Carter might offer that hatch.
Both sides in this internal debate turned out to be right. Kim agreed to back down. And Carter went way beyond his instructions, negotiating the outlines of a treaty and announced the terms.

Four months later, on Oct. 21, 1994, the United States and North Korea signed a formal accord based on those outlines, called the Agreed Framework. Under its terms, North Korea would renew its commitment to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, lock up the fuel rods, and let the IAEA inspectors back in to monitor the facility. In exchange, the United States, with financial backing from South Korea and Japan, would provide two light-water nuclear reactors for electricity (explicitly allowed under the NPT), a huge supply of fuel oil, and a pledge not to invade North Korea.

The accord also specified that, upon delivery of the first light-water reactor (the target date was 2003), intrusive inspections of suspected North Korean nuclear sites would begin. After the second reactor arrived, North Korea would ship its fuel rods out of the country. It would essentially give up the ability to build nuclear weapons.

Let's now look at George W. Bush - Unfortunately, common sense has consistently been in short supply. After a few shrill diplomatic exchanges over the uranium, Pyongyang upped the ante. The North Koreans expelled the international inspectors, broke the locks on the fuel rods, loaded them onto a truck, and drove them to a nearby reprocessing facility, to be converted into bomb-grade plutonium.

The White House stood by and DID NOTHING!! Why did George W. Bush--his foreign policy avowedly devoted to stopping "rogue regimes" from acquiring weapons of mass destruction--allow one of the world's most dangerous regimes to acquire the makings of the deadliest WMDs?

Given the current mayhem and bloodshed in Iraq, it's hard to imagine a decision more ill-conceived than invading that country unilaterally without a plan for the "post-war" era. But the Bush administration's inept diplomacy toward North Korea might well have graver consequences. President Bush made the case for war in Iraq on the premise that Saddam Hussein might soon have nuclear weapons--which turned out not to be true. Kim Jong-il may have nuclear weapons now; he certainly has enough plutonium to build some, and the reactors to breed more.

George W. Bush has neither threatened war, and MORE importantly, has NEVER pursued diplomacy.

Your turn K...

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Independent, Texas — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:51:03 GMT

Kevin,

N Korea has been under severe sanctions for many many years. They are starving. The money that "belongs" to them has been held in legal limbo. The recent nuclear "tests" were a call to attention that was rewarded by this administrations' releasing those funds.

This whole situation has been on track for several administrations and this approach (some violent threat with a cautionary reward for retrenchment) has been in plan for a long time.

I cannot remember the name of the report from which I got this information but I remember that it was released late in Clinton's 2nd term along with harsh criticism of Clinton.

I submit that the Bush administration had nothing to do with any positive result of this situation rather than being in office at the time the expected situation arose. Even that, currently, is being examined as some are saying that the funds were released too easily and, possibly, only to gain the Bush administration some badly needed positive press.

In addition, in today's NYT, there was a report that the inspectors are saying that this nuclear power plant wouldn't have lasted much longer anyway as it was in serious disrepair. Again, NK is in very dire economic straits as a result of the very successful sanctions imposed upon them.

The same can also be said of Sadaam Hussein's Iraq. When our forces arrived, they reported that those sanctions had, indeed, been working. If Mr. Bush had held to his word to not invade for another year, we may have seen Hussein toppled peacefully or, at least, with a far lower body count.

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Todd, New Orleans, LA — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:34:22 GMT

The Ghost of Bill Hicks - I've missed you, funny man! How is Heaven treating you? I hope as well as you deserve, speaker of truth. We could sure use your help right now throwing the money changers out of the temple (to use Brett Butler's analogy about you). It is a cruelty to be deprived of your fire and wit in this time of need. A little laughter along the way would not hurt either. I'll see you someday in that faraway place that is . . . Arizona Bay. R.I.P. Bill.

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Wayne, M'town TN — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:12:17 GMT

"So you can argue all you want that some progress is being made against al-Qui'da and it will fall on deaf ears. On the other hand, if this administration had been up front and honest with the American people that this conflict would require a long term presence and commitment WITHOUT all the other bellicose comments about fight them there so we don't have to fight them here, claiming victory on a air craft carrier prematurely, changing the reasons for the invasion in the first place to justify our presence there"
The news filter has worked diligently towards tricking as many people as possible into accepting without question the meanings that they put on various statements made by the Administration.

End of "Major Combat Operations" was never meant to imply that no further Combat operations of any kind would ever again take place.
Bush told the Nation in plain language that the job was not yet finished and that much remained to be done. Those who weren't listening just wanted to hit the snooze alarm and leave a cal to be awakened only when a major attack on US soil came along.

"The people agreed to remove Saddam. The people did not agree to rebuild a nation "
Rebuilding was not a matter of choice it is an obligation.

"And again, you do not fight world-wide terrorism by invading one country and bogging yourself down in a police action to keep (not al-Qui'da) but the inhabitants of that country from killing one another. "
We are still in Afghanistan with International support for our efforts there, we'll be there for years to come. Our troops fought many battles against Terrorists, Criminal Gangs and Foreign infiltrators in most of the countries we occupied after WW2 and for many years afterward not as occupiers but as allies against Communist agression.
Those nations which benefitted most by US aid during the Cold War are those who stepped up to the plate when the UN shirked it's responsibilities. Those the Democrats insulted on every possible occasion not because they had not helped as best they could but because they had helped the best that they could.

Selling a War to the public is a Democrat concept, Wars either need to be fought or they don't.
Practically everyone on the Planet seems to agree that Saddam and his Sons had to be gotten rid of. So that phase is over with only a very disenting voices from the far left.
Obligations of Just War Theory require that we do what we can to aid the Democratically elected Government of Iraq to rebuild and restore order.Even though the vast majority of the Unrest there is a direct product of the actions of both Iraqi insurgents and foreign Infiltrators, not a product of OIF itself.

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DCohn, Cleveland, OH — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:20:21 GMT

I really wish Larry would get off the "breck girl circuit" for Senator Edwards, who cares. We have bigger fish to fry. The Vitters Family and why Mrs. Cleaver, a.k.a. Harriet M. thinks she is alo part of the 4th part of the executive hiearchy, specialized unit. On t.v., there are so many CSI and SVU shows, we need one for governement. Called the "elitiist SVU Unit or "CSI Special Treatment Unit." It is a bunch of craziness and bureaucratic bs to think these key players are special or different from the rest, other than to think their crimes are greater. From Rove to Harriet M, they all deserve lockup. She thinks that by not showing up it will help her, sure it will because if the law holds up and as Professor Turley pointed out last night on the severe ramifications of contempt, Bushie will add another pardon to his list and be 2 for 2. Gotcha.

When Wendy Vitters got on the air and stold the show from her husband, the adulterer, I thought she was going to say something profound, I was wrong. My cheers were premature. For futher reference, go read Wahington Sketch today by Dana Milbank. She was at first, going to walk away with his manlyhood, now they are the Brady Bunch. Well, which one? Frankly, from viewing the pain and hurt on her face, she has a great script writer. They all do! It wouldn't surprise me that this has occured before in their home. He better keep his legs crossed and get a chastity belt, or it sounds like, great script writer or not, the family jewels will be gone soon. Peace to All Bloggers! Denise

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DCohn, Cleveland, OH — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:21:55 GMT

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:25:34 GMT

(no final last words this time)
K Collins USN (Sent Tuesday, July 17, 2007 1:11 PM)

Thank you sir, and again, you have once again proven you do have character. Again, no final word to you - LOL!!

PEACE!!

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Larry Charleston, SC — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:37:32 GMT

Well CA, then pull the troops out today and let Harry deal with it. It's his defeat and withdrawal. I'm all for it, Bring 'em home and f**k Iraq. The liberals are prepared for the aftermath. On another subject, kinda, how is Uncle Teddy Kennedy going to pull an all nighter for this debate. Drinking at 4 is not conducive to all night debating. And KKK Byrd, he hasn't pulled an all nighter since the last cross burned. Let's go , I'm ready - let the fun begin. Pull out the white flags of liberalism.

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Larry Charleston, SC — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:41:30 GMT

Pam , Clinton and Carter had no more Foreign Policy expertise than "W". Withdrawing from South Korea, giving away the Panama Canal, Letting the Iranians have their way which began the terrorist planning against the US. Give me a break, the worst by far in US history, Carter needs to continue hammering nails and leave Foreign Policy to Nancy Pelosi !

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B.A. Buddusky — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:46:32 GMT

Wayne, M'town TN what the hell is M Town,Larry (now known as the Pussy from) Charleston, SC ,and John phila,

We seem to be running just a little short of troops but not long on Dumya,Dick, Rover,and your little head bobbling yes man mouths,the favorite breeding ground of al-Quida and Fear,lies,sex crimes,immorality,executive privileges to hide the truth,bloggle away the truth as you may,but their there is a train called the Truth coming down the tracks and you can lie to yourselves till hell freezes over and screw with folks on this blog,whether your paid by the RNC,Rove, or not,but here is a news flash old sooth sayers,we don't see you over there and never have we heard you mention any military experience.
We can only assume like those you support you are cowards and make up fear to fight for to get votes for your selves in elections,stir shit, and don't know shit about war and never grew out of that phase little boys.Run along with your Ann Coulter Barbie Dolls and
and go play.
Larry (now known as Pussy Galore from Charleston)
For some reason I hear that Clinton recording fixing to be played.
Well here is the song,I'll take a little head under the executive desk any day of the week,
then no head with no brain full of lies over it any day of the week at all.

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The Ghost of Bill Hicks — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:27:49 GMT

Todd, thanks for that. I'm contemplating which is worse: the spawn of Bush Sr or the spawn of Billy Cyrus, Hannah Montana.

Even though I can smoke anytime and anywhere, they're forcing us to wear white. Johnny Cash is pissed!

And I've met every deity up here. and every single one is a liberal. imagine that! btw, the wireless up here is lightning fast. ;)

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Dennis Villa, Los Angeles, CA — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:57:00 GMT

How can someone be pro-war and pro-life at the same time?

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:01:54 GMT

A DAY IN THE LIFE OF LARRY-SC, WAYNE-TN, JOHN-PHILA-SCOTT-NV

They all get up at 6 a.m. and fill their coffeepots with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some “tree-hugging liberal” fought for minimum water-quality standards. With their first swallow of coffee, they take their daily medication.

Their medications are safe to take because some stupid "commie liberal" (most likely from San Francisco) fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised. All but $10 of their medications are paid for by their employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance -- now THEY gets it, too.

They prepare their morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Their bacon is safe to eat because some “girly-man liberal” fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

In the morning shower, they reach for their shampoo. Their bottles are properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some “crybaby liberal” fought for their rights to know what they were putting on their bodies and how much it contained.

They dress, walk outside and take deep breaths. The air they breathe is clean because some environmentalist "wacko liberal" fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. They walk to the subway station for their government-subsidized ride to work. It saves them considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some "fancy-pants liberal" fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

They begin their work day. They have decent jobs with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some "lazy liberal union members" fought and died for these working standards. Their employers pay these standards because their employers don't want them to call the union. if THEY were hurt on the job or become unemployed, they'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some "stupid liberal" didn't think they should lose their homes because of their temporary misfortune.

It's noontime and they need to make a bank deposit so they can pay some bills. Their deposits are federally insured by the FSLIC because some "godless liberal" wanted to protect their money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.

They have to pay their Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and their below-market federal student loan because some "elitist liberal" decided that they and the government would be better off if they were educated and earned more money over his lifetime.

They come home from work. They plan to visit their fathers this evening at their farm homes in the country. They get in their cars for the drive. Their car is among the safest in the world because some "America-hating liberal" fought for car safety standards. They arrive at their boyhood homes. They were the third generation to live in these houses financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The houses didn't have electricity until some "big-government liberal" stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.

They are happy to see their fathers, who are now retired. Their fathers live on Social Security and a union pension because some "wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal" made sure he could take care of himself so they wouldn't have to.

They get back in their cars for the ride home, and turn on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. They never mention that the beloved Republicans have fought AGAINST every protection and benefit THEY have enjoyed throughout their day.

THEY agree: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."

BACK DOWN FACSICTS - YOU, LARRY, WAYNE, JOHN, SCOTT ARE DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY!!

We true Americans will remain united and WE WILL PREVAIL against your EVIL!!

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Independent, Texas — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:23:19 GMT

Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California (Sent Tuesday, July 17, 2007 5:01 PM)

Pam - that is the best post I've ever read from you.

you go girl!!

Very well done indeed.

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Lumen, Lurking the N-hole, Keeping tabs ^.~ — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:39:33 GMT

This just in...

Three right wingers have just been viciously pwned on the N-hole following their attempts to defend those who deserve no defense. Our hearts go out to their families and loved ones. They won't be missed.

We now return you to the regularly awesome Countdown.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:49:19 GMT

Independent, Texas (Sent Tuesday, July 17, 2007 5:23 PM)

Thank you, as they just deserved it. The TRUTH does hurt!! Peace my friend!!

Lumen, Lurking the N-hole, Keeping tabs ^.~ (Sent Tuesday, July 17, 2007 5:39 PM)

LOL!!

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Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:04:03 GMT

Wow, Pam! Your 5:01 post was brilliantly said, my dear!

You actually made me think of a SIMPSONS episode where Bart & Lisa begin writing "Itchy & Scratchy" cartoons and putting Grandpa Simpsons' name on the script. Of course, when he started getting checks for "his" work, and Bart & Lisa asked him if he didn't wonder why he was getting money for not doing anything, he replied, "I thought the Democrats were back in power." ;) I love satire!

Once again, nicely done, but be on the lookout for...ummm...how to put this politely...gee...this is hard...OK...how 'bout "dissenters", even though they don't have a leg to stand on with this argument.

YOU ROCK!

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Larry Charleston, SC — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:18:35 GMT

DCohn, At least Vitters didn't come out like Mcgreevey of NJ, a sexual affair with another man and all of the liberals rejoiced. Then Mc Greevey had the nerve to take hids wife and kids off of his insurance, and the liberals rejoiced. You see , there is a big difference between liberlas and conservatives , we don't rejoice in another mans failure ( except Bill Clintons ) LOL

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B.A. Buddusky — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:57:50 GMT

A DAY IN THE LIFE OF LARRY-SC, WAYNE-TN, JOHN-PHILA-SCOTT-NV Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California (Sent Tuesday, July 17, 2007 5:01 PM)

Thank you Pam too funny I can here the music from Coo Coo's Nest playing in the background. Medication time America.
Can we go fishing too R.P. Sure take Dick,Dubya,and Condi with ya. I am laughing my ass off. I had a friend who was in that OR State Mental Facility as a patient.I'll ask him if I see him if he knew any of these guys.
And cut now to the World Series with Pam and her fans.

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Nanalinda, San Antonio, TX — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:00:23 GMT

Pam, Great post. You have a great command of history.
Keep it up. You remember what most of us forget.
Your family must be very proud of you.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:04:17 GMT

Oh, B A, how right you were!! They’re playing that Bill Clinton record again. I have a question to the neo con nuts that cannot defend George W. Bush without EVER using Bill Clinton.

If Bill Clinton's definition of "is" matters, surely Iraq matters. If a president's sex life matters, surely a president’s use of global force against some of the weakest people in the world matters.

If a president’s word in a court of law about a private indiscretion matters, surely a president's word to the community of nations and the security of millions of people matters.

And if not, why not? (Larry, Wayne, John-Phila, Scott-NV)

If not, surely there is something as wrong with these neo cons as citizens and as thinkers as there certainly is with George W Bush.

If a “war” that more than 70% of the public and the majority of the world says is wrong, how do these neo con thinkers come to believe it is "right" the minute the first bombs drop? How do they continue to justify it being “right” after the lies, death and destruction?

What kind of national morality is that?

Of what are we really capable as a nation if the considered judgment of politicians and people around the world means nothing to us as a people? What is the depth of the American soul if we can allow destruction to be done in our name and the name of
"liberation" and never even demand an accounting of its costs, both personal and public, when it is over?

We have always taken comfort in the notion that people make a distinction between our government and ourselves. We have always said that the people of the world love Americans, they simply mistrust our government. But excoriating a distant and anonymous "government" for wreaking rubble on a nation in pretence of good requires very little of either character or intelligence.

The time has long come for us to realize that in a country that prides itself on being democratic, we are our government. The rest of the world has begun to figure this out!!

From where I stand Larry, Wayne, John-Phila and Scott-NV – IT MATTERS!!

IMPEACH NOW!!!!

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George, Hammonton, NJ — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:25:00 GMT

Larry, I personally rejoice in pointing out religious hypocrisy...the Repubs are the party of values and morals and family...NOT...Vitter railing against adultery while he is out porking hookers...Haggard ring a bell...Foley ring a bell...the Repubs claim to be the only moral force in the universe when they are really morally bankrupt; the hypocrisy signs just hang around your necks...see Scanlon, Ney, Safavain, Cunningham, Abramoff etc...all in jail...and Larry, why the homophobia???...explain why your god is homophobic??? just curious...

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K Collins, USN — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:22:27 GMT

P

Your points on N- Korea are based upon the 50 yr dictatorship of Kim Il Sung. He died just after Carter's visit and his son Kim jong Il took over the nation. He dismissed all agreements his father made and pledged to continue his ballistic missile and nuclear ambitions (back in 94-95). I remember because I was deployed to Korea at that time in case of possible N-Korean aggression. Kim is no more than a gangster and should be treated as such. He withholds and counterfeits millions of US currency for his own private use. He manipulates his country's poverty as a political international tool (even though he has the financial resources the fix some of the North's problems).He pursues a millitay buildup second in Asia only to China. Like his father, he prefers isolation, and receiving handouts from his only allies, Russia and China. Political and economic pressure I believe, played a major role in Reversing N-Korea's nuclear stance. With China finally applying enough political pressure (which they should have been doing a long time ago). Without political aid from China, and economic aid from the US, JPN, and S-Korea. The North would have finally collapsed in upon itself, and I believe that Kim was finally feeling the pinch. He had three options. Give in to international pressure (which is what he did) Face an internal uprising from within (which is what he was hiding), or attack S-Korea, and Japan, (Which is what he was threading).
By shutting down the reactor, puts the North on less volatile terms with the rest of the world, but unlike Iraq he needs to continue to allow them in his nation to monitor inspections. This is something that Iran should be paying attention too, and what Iraq should have done a decade ago.

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Sorin Iancu , Milwaukee , Wisconsin — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:29:12 GMT

"I know I can't afford to pay attention to them all, but can we afford to ignore them all either? How many of them are merely stupid, vs. how many are downright dangerous? "
Tru M., Cleveland, Ohio
It is only a matter of time until you understand : we will have a permanent military presence in Iraq , Iran will be neutralized and an (WMD) islamofascist terrorist attack on New York City or Boston will put many islamists and their left wing defenders behind bars and in anti-terrorist prevention detention camps . Our civil liberties will need to be curtailed in order to defeat Islamofascism . We need new laws ( Federal Judge Posner understands this...). There is no alternative .

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 02:11:39 GMT

Nanalinda, San Antonio, TX (Sent Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:00 PM)

Thank you so much!! You say the kindest things to me and really help me keep perspective (and my anger in check - I try) - God Bless, and I think my family is proud of me now.

I've worked hard over the course of my late twenties and thirties to ensure the education and love my parents gave me did not go to waste. It was not always an easy path, nor did I always make the right decisions; however, I've been on a good path for a while now and am very grateful to my family, friends and God!!

PEACE FRIEND!!

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Bob W, Chicago, IL — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 04:41:12 GMT

Sorry I was unable to respond to Wayne & Larry's response to my earlier post. I can't post from work and I was taking care of my daughter before.

Anyway, Wayne's accusation that the liberal Guardian is anti-American and jihadist pretty much proves the point of the article and my post - so thanks for that. Also, his amazing 'new math' of saying a 70% disapproval rating of President Bush is actually closer than it seems is delusional - somehow, the 26% who approve of the President is the only part of the populace that count.

Larry, keeps acting as if it's only liberals and slanted media coverage that is causing these problems. If you had read my post, among those opposing / criticizing the Bush strategy, I listed generals, Republicans, Iraq Study Group members (which includes one of Reagan's 'troika' James Baker, Sandra Day O'Connor, Ed Meese, also of the Reagan administration), soldiers - these don't sound like liberals.

You don't have to be a liberal to be outraged at Bush's initiation of this war and his conduct of it. It is quite a feat of logic to believe everything on propagandist radio talk shows while saying that any other objective information is simply 'liberal bias'. I suppose it is the same logic that denies the nearly unanimous conclusion of non-partisan, objective scientists from all over the world regarding global warming while believing every word an Exxon-Mobil representative says.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 05:01:26 GMT

K-

With all due respect sir, you are incorrect. Former President Clinton has stated MANY times during the course of this Administration (George W. Bush) that Kim was only using his "weapons program" to get monetary compensation. Clinton knew this and handled him accordingly based on this accurate assessment. Bill Clinton was correct.

In addition, it was Clinton who sent former President Jimmy Carter to North Korea in June of 1994. You state, “He manipulates his country's poverty as a political international tool (even though he has the financial resources the fix some of the North's problems).” That is exactly what Bill Clinton has TRIED in vain to tell this Administration. George W. Bush, as usual, has NOT listened to Bill Clinton.

You also state, “He dismissed all agreements his father made and pledged to continue his ballistic missile and nuclear ambitions (back in 94-95).” Okay, I’ll assume you are correct, and the point? Carter was successful and he either honored his father’s agreement or decided to meet with Carter on his own. Again, your point? Even if the "agreements were dismissed" as they pertained to Jimmy Carter, Carter prevailed!!

You also state, “political and economic pressure I believe, played a major role in Reversing N-Korea's nuclear stance.” Your point being? I covered this and Clinton understood this and acted accordingly. Again, Clinton has tried in vain to “explain” this to George W. Bush and his Administration.

Clinton utilizing Jimmy Carter, a valuable resource who prevailed, was brilliant. Again, Clinton was not so full of himself to not take advantage of Carter, a powerful weapon at that time, in dealing with North Korea. George W. Bush IS full of himself and has not only ignored Clinton’s advice; it would have been a good idea to ask Bill Clinton to go there.

In closing, you state, “by shutting down the reactor, puts the North on less volatile terms with the rest of the world, but unlike Iraq he needs to continue to allow them in his nation to monitor inspections.” Again, this is exactly what Carter achieved on his mission and it is also what Clinton insisted upon. Inspections were done under the Clinton Administration.

The weapons program was shut down, inspectors were allowed in and he NEVER launched one test missile. Clinton handled him brilliantly.

Clinton also wasn't so full of himself to state he "would not talk to N. Korea alone, under any circumstances" as George W. Bush has said many, many times.

Bill Clinton also understood the “role” of Secretary of State and sent Madeleine Albright, the first woman to serve as Secretary of State, to North Korea in the late 1990’s. George W. Bush has not only refused to speak with North Korea, Condaleeza Rice has NEVER been sent there. George W. Bush has zero clue with regards to the functions of a “Secretary of State”.

In closing, I have proven all my points sir. My final point being, former President Bill Clinton handled North Korea's threat masterfully based on the choices he had. George W. Bush has not only bungled every possible thing he could have regarding North Korea, he is responsible for allowing North Korea to re-start its weapons program, to include nuclear capabilities.

PEACE!!

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 05:30:18 GMT

K -

PS: While I understand Kim Jon-Il is not "his father", and he "dismissed agreements", George W. Bush should have handled Kim Jon-Il in the same wa Clinton handled his father.

George W. Bush has done nothing and has listened to know one!! Bill Clinton has tried to offer advice as Kim Jon-Il IS exactly like his father and what worked for Clinton most likely would have worked for George W. Bush.

He NEVER picked up the ball!!

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Brenda Deltona FL — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 05:34:47 GMT

Sorin Iancu , Milwaukee , Wisconsin (Sent Monday, July 16, 2007 10:17 PM)

The United States of America is at war . The external enemies are Islamofascism and the states sponsoring it . The internal enemies of the state are more dangerous : Islamists , left wing fascists , anarchists , communists and right wing fascists . All of them are allied against the democratic capitalism and our way of life . Keith Olbermann ( and Chris M ) are only two of them .The country needs new laws to deal with them and another islamoterrorist attack will give those necessary powers to our leaders.

— Posted by sorin I.

How long you been outta Romania?? Was it still full blown communistic when you were there? I know how alot of Romanians feel about the Turks and all.. I also know that Foreign companies are in Romania building.. The US company Bechtel (I am sure that name will sound familiar to many!) is building new highways there.. I know a person that works for them in Romania.. which he got an ear full from me after he told me! Since they let Bushy in to fight against Iraq, because Turkey wouldn't let them fly over this time as they did when Old Man Bush was in Office!
Romania wouldn't be where it is right now if they would have denied Bushy Boy the right to set up shop with his war there!

You may want to start doing some research and reading about the truth and what is really going on.. Right now the USA is not what it is suppose to be because of the tyrants in the government!

Buna Dimineatza!

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Brenda Deltona FL — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:10:09 GMT

PAM! I just read your post KICK BUTT GIRLY!!!! That is the most correct statement I have ever heard! This is why I am A PROUD LIBERAL!
THANK YOU!!!!

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Wayne, Wayne's World AKA Reality Central — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:18:38 GMT

Bob W, Chicago, IL wrote
"Anyway, Wayne's accusation that the liberal Guardian is anti-American and jihadist pretty much proves the point of the article and my post - so thanks for that."
You exagerate
I wrote
"The Guardian is very left oriented and often prints blatantly anti-american articles, some no better than jihadist propaganda.
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The same can be said of many US Journalists and most if not all Democrat blogsites like this one. Thanks for proving that exageration is a major Liberal/Democrat tactic.

The Gaurdian printed the truncated quotations from the Wolfowitz interview in which he explained that we could not wait Saddam out because of his access to Iraqi's Oil renvenues. By truncating a sentence taken out of context they started the "blood of oil" mantra which has recently gone through such convoluted restructering by the left.
The Guardian printed a retraction of the spurious article but few ever read the retraction.

The Guardian has also printed many anti-US articles written by UK Marxists.
Like CBS the Guardian has a long history of "Fake but accurate" claims which have been proven to be unsupportable as fact.

The News Week poll counted a little more than one thousad respondents out of a population of around 300,000,000 or so, Results are not scientific scarcely covers that.

As I've pointed out no Democrat will ever recognize any positive aspect of the War in Iraq or the War on Terror, for one thing the Liberal Newsfilter will never allow them to see the facts, and they are likely to ignore the facts in any case.
Those who lowered themselves so far as to vote for John Kerry will never raise their eyes from the ground.
Among non Democrats of every political affiliation the News Filter has had a lesser though visible effect. An aproval rating of around 30+% in more reliable though still limited polls shows that despite massive propaganda campaigns of the left, which mimic the occasional statements of Bin Laden, Zawahiri, and the now dead and unlamented Zarqawi, confidence of those who are not limited to blatantly anti-administration news sources remains at 60-70% or better.

At worst if the Polls could be relied upon Bush's ratings are higher than Truman's ratings during the Korean War.

PS
Remember, magazine polls do not decide elections or the outcome of military campaigns.

Also rember that Newsweek started round the world rioting with a fake news article about a Koran being flushed, the Koran in question turned out to have been torn up and flushed by the detainee that owned it, probably because he realized just what his beliefs had brought him to.
Perhaps you folks should flush the Guardian and Newsweek, they seem to have become the Koran of the Liberal Democrats.

Countdown Monday: Maliki No Likey?

C A, Tuscaloosa, Al — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:38:15 GMT

Wayne: Nope. You're wrong, and Larry deploying and pulling troops does not necessarily mean defeat. Why people connect pulling the troops out to defeat is beyond me. Sometimes withdrawing is the thing to do because it saves lives. That is not a defeat to me. That is a victory for humanity. And besides, someone has to be involved in a war to either be victorious or defeated. We are not in a war. We are in a policing action. There is no victory or defeat under the current conflict.

Countdown Monday: Maliki No Likey?

Frederick Sweeney, Brooklyn, NY — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:01:17 GMT

Larry, you related to Baghdad Bob? Wake up and smell the humus.This country will never win a war without the support of the majority on Americans, and we've listened to 4 years of half-truths and spin. Our guys over there are used up. And answer this, why should one GI die in the month of August when the Iraqi government is on holiday because it's "too hot" in Baghdad? Keep drinking that Kool-Aid, and thank President Bar-stool and V.P. Deferement(5 times) for this mess, which all our kids, their kids and their grand kids will be paying for 50 years from now.

Countdown Monday: Maliki No Likey?

K. Collins, USN — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:58:22 GMT

P- North Korea first tested it's long range balistic missle program in 1998

"North Korea is developing a family of long-range missiles called the Taepodong. Taepodong 1 was test-fired over Japan in 1998. It caused consternation, not least because of the determination of the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-il, to pursue a nuclear weapons programme."

"North Korea has tested an intercontinental ballistic missile engine capable of hitting the United States, according to a South Korean report.

The potential range of the missile was established by American intelligence from scorch marks and other traces of the engine test, the newspaper Joongang Ilbo said, citing diplomatic sources.

It could reach up to 3,700 miles, enough to hit Alaska."

North Korea missile test 'brings US within range'
By Richard Spencer in Beijing

You stated: "The weapons program was shut down, inspectors were allowed in and he NEVER launched one test missile. Clinton handled him brilliantly. "

N Korea stated that they were testing a new satalite launch system which the administaration stated was harmless. Lets face it Kim Jong Il was just stringing the US along until they were ready for aditional testing which they followed up on in 2007. North Korea does not trust anybody. Never has and never will. They still believe that they are at war and their entire economy is based upon that fact.

Bottom line Mrs Madeleine Albright's mission was a failure, because it had no teeth. Much the same that Hitler promissed the world that he would not continue hais acts of agreesion after he anexed Austria and Czech.

Countdown Monday: Maliki No Likey?

C A, Tuscaloosa, Al — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:28:01 GMT

OK Larry. Pulling them out. Thanks