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Pat, Boston, MA — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:14:40 GMT

My question: What exactly does "defunding the war" mean? How does this affect our troops? Does this mean they will no longer get the best equipment, medical care, etc.?

This is what the GOP is telling us if Congress defunds the war. Is this true?

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Scott Copeland, Naples Fl — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:21:43 GMT

Gosh, poor Billo, it was just mean for MSNBC and CNN to make Bill look like an ignorant racist doofus by playing unaltered broadcast of his own words. A Big Giant Talking Head just can't get a break anymore.

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nuanced — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:30:32 GMT

Pat, depends upon your definition of true. It is as true as their saying we were under imminent danger of attack with WMDs by Saddam Hussein. You be the judge.

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jen,il — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:34:48 GMT

How about asking which former president they admire the most and why? I think thier answer would provide a lot of insight as to how they would govern.

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Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:37:54 GMT

Pat - since when does anyone believe a single word that the Repubnikants say? Defunding was the method Congress used to FINALLY get us out of the nightmare in Viet Nam after all other methods failed. It's a last resort to get us out of the nightmare in Iraq.

What defunding will do is allocate funds ONLY for withdrawal of troops.

BushCo and his Repugnikant allies have held our soldiers hostage long enough. Their war-profiteer supporters have stuffed enough money in their pockets. We have created more hatred in the middle east than we could have ever imagined. We have bombed Iraq into the stone age (they have no running water, less than an hour of electricity per day, their industries and jobs have been outsourced to no-bid contractors, and we have killed more than a million Iraqis). We have lost almost 4.000 soldiers.

It is time to free the troops. To allow BushCo to continue to use the troops as hostages for more billions of dollars means more unnecessary death and destruction.

Time for the Dems to stand up and REALLY support the troops by bringing them home. No more blood for oil or war-profiteers. No more money except to bring them home.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:41:55 GMT

Pat, Boston, MA (1:14 PM Post): Defunding the war means just what it says. No more money to fund the conflict. If Bush were to leave our troops in Iraq with no funds to continue, yes, it would mean no more money for equipment or any other military needs earmarked for the troops in Iraq. He would have to bring the troops home. On the other hand, knowing Bush, he might tell the troops to stay and defend themselves with rocks. Congress can say we will only give you this much, and provide only that dollar amount that would be required to continue to supply the troops currently in Iraq with whatever they need until all those currently serving in Iraq have left the country, and the monies needed to transport the troops home safely and out of harms way.

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Pat, Boston, MA — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:44:46 GMT

Sue, thanks. You made my point.

I would just like for once, just once, that one of these Democratic candidates clarify exactly what "defunding the war" means. We're getting a great deal of misinformation as to what it means and its intent.

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Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:47:25 GMT

I submitted a question concerning if/when these candidates would begin the address the abuses to the Constitution by this administration on the campaign trail and what they would do to ensure, if they become president, that these abuses won't happen again. I doubt it gets used, but what the heck...

And, how "F"ed up is our justice system if Senator Craig's plea gets tossed out, and he doesn't even attend the hearing?! Just when I thought I wouldn't have to hear about "wide stances" anymore...UGH.

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"Oliver Sacks" — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:55:15 GMT

Note to moderator -- no need to post this, but shouldn't that be "Tourettes" rather than "turrets"

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jen,il — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:15:30 GMT

Are contractors good for the military or is it better to have the military do thier own laundry and cooking and interigation?

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Ghost of NJ — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:16:09 GMT

we have killed more than a million Iraqis).

Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 1:37 PM)

Oh really, so our great military has killed over a million Iraqis. You mind providing the basis for that accusation. I didn't know that our brave young men and women were strapping bombs on themselves, or rigging their humvees with explosives. You wonder why people say the left of center is against the military.

By the way, you should follow Carol from LV and stop with the name calling. It adds no value to the debate.

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Laura in Los Angeles — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:17:58 GMT

In just a few minutes Gates will be asking for more war funding. The Democrates claim that from the beginning will not hold back funds for the troops. They threaten to delay the funding maybe until December, but they will not make a big deal about it. There are protesters in the chambers making their objections known. So just what does this crap "defunding" mean?

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Laura in Los Angeles — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:20:55 GMT

Billo absolutely made an a** of himself. Gosh, he just discovered Blacks. He made all those stupid remarks on his radio show. Where is Al Sharpton? Isn't he going to get all over him for this? Just because he broke bread with him, Sharpton shouldn't let Billo get away with his ignorance. Billo, I found out will be on The View sometime in November. That should be a hoot. With Whoopi Goldberg and Sherri Shepherd already disgusted at Billo's remarks, this should be good.

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Tom, DC — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:21:08 GMT

"Gosh, poor Billo, it was just mean for MSNBC and CNN to make Bill look like an ignorant racist doofus by playing unaltered broadcast of his own words. A Big Giant Talking Head just can't get a break anymore."

I guess that is why Juan Williams (NPR employee and an african american)came to his rescue last night! Because, in fact, CNN and NBC distorted the truth and I wonder what Rev. Al Sharpton will say about it tonight on Billo's show, come up for some fresh air and watch it tonight instead KO rantings!

P.S. Like you will ever post this!

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jen,il — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:28:51 GMT

How would or wouldn't you encourage Americans to participate in the governace of thier country?

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Frederick Sweeney, Brooklyn — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:36:09 GMT

My question was will you be willing to deny the funds unless the precepts of the Webb/Nagel bill are enacted? Asking them to say yes to a complete draw down is useless, at least this can put the President of the defensive. Have him explain why a soldier that spent 15 months in Iraq doesn't deserve to spend 15 months home. I know we don't have enough troops to do that, that's the point. We don't have enough troops. Can somebody in this debate show some backbone?

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Ghost of NJ — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:36:44 GMT

Laura in Los Angeles (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:20 PM)

Hopefully you aren't waiting for Al Sharpton to add credibility to the issue. He is nothing but a race baiting liar who exploits the miseries of others.

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Matt — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:43:55 GMT

I was amazed to see Matt Lauer take Billo's side on this story considering how much Billo blasts NBC/MSNBC on a nightly basis

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Larry Charleston, SC — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:46:55 GMT

CA , Didn't I just hear Hillary say she wouldn't bring the troops home immediately, and also say she had no idea how many troops would have to stay after everyone left ?

Please address that and tell me Hillary was just kidding.

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Larry Charleston, SC — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:48:10 GMT

Moderator , please post my questions for sen Clinton. Everyone on this site needs to know the truthful answers since she is going to be your candidate.

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jen,il — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:48:48 GMT

Ghost of NJ- That number comes from the British medical journal "The Lancet" and Johns Hopkins University. They actually interviewed Iraqi families throughout the country and used the same process that is used and has been used to figure out how how many people have died in conflicts all over the world. Like Darfur, Rawanda, Bosnia etc. Not all million people were killed by our soldiers they also include people killed in the sectarian violance and basically anyone who died because of our presence. My question to you is how many people do you think have been killed during a war with the most powerful military in the world? Our soldiers are very good at what they do and have been fighting in Iraq for more than 4 years do you really believe they have only killed 70,000 or what ever number the right wing is currently tossing around.

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Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:49:34 GMT

One million Iraqis dead is not a figure I've made up (unlike Bill O'Liar's "facts"). It's from the British Medical Journal "The Lancet" based on medical reports from Iraq. They've been the only group keeping the figures on this part of the tragedy. Those doctors, you know, base their figures on those pesky facts and use scientific data collection methods.

Stuff isn't wrong if it doesn't agree with the kool-aid drinking talking points you're given, Ghost. By the way, how about using your real name like the rest of us?

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jen,il — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:51:43 GMT

How about asking the candidates how many Iraqis have died because of our occupation? A million is the most reliable estimate but it is also clearly a number Americans cannot stomach and refuse to even consider.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:55:24 GMT

News Hole:

Why put up a new thread when you cannot maintain the existing ones?

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Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:58:22 GMT

Off topic, but I need to point out a guy who just doesn't belong on the Federal Election Commission. His recess appointment by BushCo is up for Senate confirmation.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/26/spakovsky-primer/

Employees of the Justice Department have provided information on voter suppression efforts enabled by Hans von Spakovsky during his time as head of the Civil Rights Division where he did everything BUT promote civil rights.

Well, he IS experienced in elections, just making sure that the "wrong" people don't vote.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:03:14 GMT

Sue West / Ghost of NJ: Some trite biggering about 1 million Iraqis being killed. Naturally, our troops have not killed 1 million Iraqis. Our troops have defended themselves and in the process people have been killed. Thats' it. The fact is that the Iraqi's, Sunni, Shiite and Kurds do not like one another and have not for a long time. They have always been at the brink of cutting loose and to begin killing one another. Yes, there is aggitation and particpation by terrorist groups that is not helping the siutation. But what I believe Sue to have meant is that 1 million Iraqis may not have lost their lives if we had not invaded in the first place. I'm sure Saddam would have continued taking out several thousand Iraqis who opposed his dictatorship, but not in the numbers and short period of time that the US invasion has allowed by opening up the flood gates to what the Iraqis had in mind for each other all along. They lost the person who controled them, regardless of what you felt about Saddam. Now it is a free-for-all where many are losing their lives in the chaos that the US has helped to create by eliminating the person who controled their behavior. Simple as that. Now, what are we going to do about that with 165,000 soldiers in a country populated by millions? That is where the suggestions nd comments should be coming from.

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Rocky Mountain Guy, Colorado — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:04:45 GMT

I'm afraid allocating monies only for withdrawal may be the only option left. Excederin headache # 43 could give stubborn lessons to mules, so I don't hold any hope he'll have an epiphany and realize the number of incomprehensibly terrible mistakes he's made. He's got his blinders firmly in place and his fingers in his ears and his manipulators in control so he'll just continue to stumble along till the next election. And all the while more Americans and Iraqis will be killed for unscrupulous fat cats to line their pockets even further with no consequences. Unconscionable!

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Kevin, Lincoln, NE — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:09:25 GMT

Ghost of NJ (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:16 PM)

"Opinion Research Business (ORB) poll conducted August 12-19, 2007 estimated 1,220,580 violent deaths due to the Iraq War. A nationally representative sample of 1,499 Iraqi adults answered whether any members of their household (living under their roof) were killed due to the Iraq War. 22% of the respondents had lost one or more household members. ORB reported that "48% died from a gunshot wound, 20% from the impact of a car bomb, 9% from aerial bombardment, 6% as a result of an accident and 6% from another blast/ordnance."

Of course, I doubt very much we'll ever know the true numbers, either way.

And I think that a lot of people could be just a tad more polite when speaking to each other here...but that might be asking for too much.

I'm reminded of the 'Internet Political Debate' gag in Red vs Blue.

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Mike, AL — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:15:05 GMT

Tom, DC (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:21 PM)

Tom - How do you "distort" the truth when the play the actual audio from his radio show? It wasn't edited to spin the truth like you see on Orally's show. You right wingers are nuts!!!!!!! It's amazing at what length you will go to protect a fellow right winger even when all the evidence points to the contrary.
Billo is a perv and a racist. it's time to face true hard facts.

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Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:23:27 GMT

If this is a REAL Democracy, why can't we let each of them be President for 6 months and if it works, re-elect the whole bunch for another 48, or THEN pick the one who did the best job, huh? Kind of like Temps, which is what I wish we had right now. So you can fire them on Friggaday and have a fresh face on Moonday.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:25:11 GMT

jen,il (2:28 PM Post): Not sure I would change a thing about the American people's involvement or particpation in order to govern themselves. But I would change some proceses. The American people's governing tool is the vote. I would eliminate the electoral college and elect a President by popular vote. I would install term limits for Congress. I would do whatever it takes via the legal system to eliminate the involvement and powers of those special interest groups in Washington. I would implement real campaign finance reform allowing for the poor man/woman to seek office. I would adopt the British parlimentary practice of allowing congressional delegates (in turns because of their numbers) to hold weekly or monthly question and answer periods with the President as you have seen with Tony Blair and the House of Lords on PBS. I would seek a law requiring that the President's cabinet be made up of an equal number of republicans and democrats (while the two party system is maintained). I would seek a special government body made up of Congressional members and randomly chosen average Americans whose only purpose was to evaluate, study and recommend improved domestic policy to the President and Congress. I would limit (by law) the amount of recess time Congress was allowed. Those are just a few suggestions for a start.

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WOW — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:25:30 GMT

UPDATE BEFORE THE NEXT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION?

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:31:00 GMT

Ghost of NJ (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:16 PM)

It is President Bombsalot that has murdered innocent Iraqis. The military, who reports to the Commander-In-Chief of the United States of America, has betrayed our men and women in a manner that is utterly incomprehensible to me.

Yes, Ghost, George W. Bush is responsible for the deaths of over a million Iraqis, whether you agree with his "plan" or lack of, he is responsible.

I also agree that civility should be used on this blog; I must also state it was YOU who began attacking me and others, using very nasty words. I forgive you!! Please continue on your new path displaying "manners" in your posts!!

PEACE!!

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Scott Copeland, Naples Fl — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:35:29 GMT

"I guess that is why Juan Williams (NPR employee and an african american)came to his rescue last night! Because, in fact, CNN and NBC distorted the truth and I wonder what Rev. Al Sharpton will say about it tonight on Billo's show, come up for some fresh air and watch it tonight instead KO rantings!"

Yeah, Billo is using the ol' "you gonna believe me or your own ears" defense again. Juan Williams & Billo can talk till the cows come home, but again, it's The Big Giant Head's own words that pretty much speak for themself and reveal a lot more about Billo and his supporters than most would like.

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Timmy, Milwaukee WI — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:36:38 GMT

P.S. Like you will ever post this!
Tom, DC (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:21 PM)

How does crow taste, anyway?

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Timmy, Milwaukee WI — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:38:21 GMT

It adds no value to the debate.
Ghost of NJ (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:16 PM)

On the other hand, Ghostie, you add tremendous value to the debate.

You and the other trolls continue to show how it sounds when someone bends over a chair and yells at the top of their lungs, "Whatever you say my masters, I refuse to question and will follow along without incident!"

Pitiful.

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O J — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:48:15 GMT

INNOCENT until proven guilty

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Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:54:09 GMT

Is Dan Rather planning on calling BushCo and DaddyBush as witnesses in his CBS lawsuit?

http://www.examiner.com/blogs/Yeas_and_Nays/2007/9/26/Rather-chokes-up-and-hunkers-down

Also, if you want the REAL story about the REAL story of BushCo's "service" as reported by the BBC:

http://www.gregpalast.com/dan-rather-tased-and-confused/

Enjoy.

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Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:57:22 GMT

jen. Good point. In Vietnam, if you could get to a chow hall, there were GI's doing the 'cooking' which always beat the canned field version by at least a bit. They made the same 87.50 base pay as all the other GI's, not the twenty-grand a month or whatever the contractors get, plus some for their Corporation for being so ...well, Just Wonderful! in a No-Bid kinda way. (I wonder what the difference in Combat Pay is?)

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Thank You — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:01:52 GMT

PLEASE UPDATE

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Paulet, Simsbury, CT — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:19:28 GMT

I am very surprised that MSNBC has not shared the fact RD Stahl of NECN the New England channel from Boston sharing the spotlight with MSNBC. There has been no mention of being able to watch it. They do say that they are participating with MSNBC on this.

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jen,il — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:25:09 GMT

Steve- Having G.I.'s doing everything also means everyone we send has the same goal, to end the war and come home. By paying contractors to provide these services we have created a large number of people in Iraq whose jobs depend on the war continuing.

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Brandon Irvine — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:30:32 GMT

I just had a gander at the Bill-O rant. To be honest, I mostly skimmed. Then I found the section called "Pinheads and Patriots."

Bill-O finally admitted that he's a pinhead. Granted, it was about something related to Barry Bonds, but he admitted it!

It's on the record, and documented!

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Carol, Long Valley NJ — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:44:28 GMT

Lisa Dorward, Morgantown, WV

To see how the senate votes on any given issue go here.

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/a_three_sections_with_teasers/votes.htm

To see how the house votes on any given issue go here.
http://clerk.house.gov/legislative/legvotes.html

or for 2007 house votes only
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/index.asp

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:45:56 GMT

How does crow taste, anyway?
Timmy, Milwaukee WI (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:36 PM)

LOL!! "DC" will never get it, his rants our more bizarre and full of lies than Geoge W. Bush's

Also, his strings are always showing!!

PEACE!!

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:46:13 GMT

Steve Turner, Cedar Falls (3:57 PM Post): By golly Steve I want to thank you for clearing that up as to what we ate in Nam. When some of us first arrived home there were those (seriously) who tried to convince some of us that we had lowered ourselves to eating us Vietnamese babies.

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Mike, AL — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:48:51 GMT

Ghost of NJ (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:16 PM

Ghost--Why do right wingers always try to take a sensible statement and spin it until it fits their need? Please read the entire paragraph before making dumb comments. At no time did Sue say our military has killed anyone, she said "BushCo and the Repubikants". Bush has taken our great country and made us the most hated nation in the muslim world and probably the entire world. Americans spent over 225 years making this country a world leader in all areas and Bush and his cronies made us a mockery in just a couple of years. People that still jump to this administrations defense completely amaze me. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone.
In regards to name-calling: sometimes that's the only way to get right wingers attention. So I'll end by saying this. You are my moron. Go haunt another blog.

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Mike, Baltimore, Md — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:50:00 GMT

A little off the subject but, just to follow up on Slippery Shuster's little lie the other day!! It now turns out that Army Private Jeremy Bohannon had not, contrary to Shuster’s claim, lived in Rep. Blackburn’s congressional district. As blogger Conservative Belle brought to NB’s attention, and as she has written about at her site, Private Bohannon lived in Bon Acqua, TN. Checking his nine-digit zip code reveals that he in fact lived in Tennessee District 8, represented by John Tanner, a Democrat.

Oh well, Olby's whipping boy never did get much right, did he! I think he's STILL waiting for Karl Rove to be indicted!!

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Laura in Los Angeles — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:52:10 GMT

Ghost/NJ 2:36 PM..well seein' as Al got his knickers in an uproar over Imus's remarks, which was the same, but in a different way then Billos' remarks..oh well..if Sharpton is Billo's new BFF..that's ok..Billo needs all the friends he can get.

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Kathy, Chicago, IL — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:59:36 GMT

C A:

The laws you suggested sound great!! I would add to also seek a law that the American people would have the right/power to seek the firing of any elected officials who have abused the laws of OUR CONSTITUTION.

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jen,il — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:05:23 GMT

CA - Any candidate who answered my questiion the way you did would get my vote.

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Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:08:48 GMT

Yuck. Pentagon just asked for 190 BILLION more dollars for this Iraq nighmare. Even more sickening is the stock market boom for defense contractors which is happening as I type this. Buying stock from companies about to get more tax money for this war should be illegal. It's certainly unpatriotic to have a war, spill American blood, and get a great big fat payday on your portfolio.

And Gates was just on trying to reassure us that the Pentagon will conduct an investigation of Blackwater. Yeah, right. Can't wait for that whitewash - or should I call it a cover up?

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:08:59 GMT

"Plus an update on that Bonds home run ball...big show, hope you'll join us!"

Dear Keith:

Please don't contribute to the lunatic, Mr. Ecko’s arrogance, pomposity and never-ending quest for a TV camera. The very wealthy Mr. Ecko purchased #756 for nearly 780,000.00; sadly, he has violated the Constitution in the process. “Innocent until proven guilty", correct Keith? The National Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown communicated to Mr. Ecko they would like “in tact”, no asterisk!! What a slap in the face to baseball’s Hall of Fame Mr. Ecko!!

It's too bad Mr. Ecko didn't use his personal wealth to help the children starving en masse in Darfur, oh; there are no TV cameras there!!

Keith, your continued blatant bias in your reporting of Barry Bonds is in direct conflict to what you preach and chastise others for. I have been a loyal viewer for years, your support of our Constitution made me a fan, I’m disappointed!!

Please don't violate your standards, reconsider covering Mr. Ecko’s lust for his mug to appear on as many TV’s as possible. Continue to support our Constitution Keith, we need you!! Your blatant bias is contrary to everything you speak of, this saddens me!! It should sadden you also!! For those you deservingly chastise and “keep in check” are watching too!!

PEACE!!

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JSeagraves — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:14:39 GMT

I do not live in NYC. I did not know anyone who died on 9/11, but I have never heard of anything so crass as Rudy Guiliani charging $9.11 for entrance to a fundraiser

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:17:36 GMT

But what I believe Sue to have meant is that 1 million Iraqis may not have lost their lives if we had not invaded in the first place.
C A, Tuscaloosa, AL (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:03 PM)

Exactly, George W. Bush is responsible and I knew what Sue meant, as did you and I'm sure "Ghost"!!

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:24:07 GMT

Larry, SC: No, Hillary certainly knows what she will do if elected (once out of a race and elected she can be very decisive). But while running she will play the fence. She will say she wants the troops home as soon as possible but also will come up with various reasons to perhaps justify changing her position if it was required for some reason to keep troops in Iraq for awhile. She is a professional politican Larry. That should tell you enough. Hey larry, where did I ever say I supported Hillary?

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Carol, Long Valley NJ — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:28:38 GMT

Mike, Baltimore, Md

The point that you missed is that Rep. Blackburn knew everything about MoveOn.org and the NYT, and she claimed that she cared about the troops. Shuster may have gotten the name wrong -- but she couldn't name the last one from her district who had died either. She couldn't name one who had died.

It's time to leave. No more American blood to feed the Military Industrial Complex. If you truly cared about the troops, you'd bring them home.

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Thank You — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:30:07 GMT

UPDATE

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Mike, AL — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:30:43 GMT

Can the President be recalled like what republicans did to Gov. Gray Davis of CA? If so, I'm sure we could easily get enough signatures on a petition demanding a recall election.

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mad in Madtown — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:37:17 GMT

Sue, West Allis: I'm glad you went after our troll, Ghost, for being such a neocon tool. But, don't criticize those of us who don't use our real names in this blog. Some of us have a good reason for remaining annonymous.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:44:33 GMT

Kathy, Chicago, Chicago My kind of Town (4:59 PM Post): Well, I kind of sort of thought we had that right Kathy but obviously do not. Again, not the people's fault as much as allowing our representatives to muddy up the rights and powers of the US citizens. Both parties will protect their own and both parties would do what they could to squash any demand from the American people to fire (impeach) their party's leader (the President). Perhaps we could design a robot that is programed with expert constitutional knowledge and with absolute power so when an elected offical abuses the Constitution that robot grabs them around the neck with that cane and jerks them off the political scene. Not making light of your suggestion Kathy, but unfortunately it is money that rules this country and those in power are the money brokers. They would never go along seriously with soild term limits, eliminating special interest that line theri pockets, eliminating the electoral college if their party currently holds the strength in those states with the largest numbers of eletoral votes, place their Presdient before a tough and rowdy question and answer session each week or month or pass real campaign finance reform so poor John Doe from Chicago could kick their ass in an election for President. But we can dream can't we?

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jen,il — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:44:44 GMT

Sue- we need to start calling war profiteers what Truman called them - TRAITORS.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:56:01 GMT

Mike, AL (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:30 PM)

I love you Mike; however the recall was a mockery and wrong. Don't misunderstand me, I was no fan of Gray Davis; however, he was recalled on everything he did during his first term and AFTER his re-election.

The pseudo democrat Davis ran on a solid democratic platform during his first bid for governor. Once in office, he abandoned everything he ran on. I did not vote to re-elect him after his “republican” first term, I skipped that chad altogether when I voted. I also voted against the recall. The recall was funded by a millionaire republican who had his eyes on Davis' job. After Arnold announced he was running, the millionaire and wannabe governor held a press conference stating he would not run and cried throughout the speech. It was pathetic; however, “what goes around comes around.”

Gray Davis is the perfect example of voter ignorance, there should have been no recall, and it was a mockery of the voting system. Had the voters been paying attention during his four-year first term, Davis would have lost his bid for a second term. Shame on those who voted to re-elect him!!

George W. Bush should be impeached and forcibly removed from office along with Dick Cheney, that's the answer!! HELLO CONGRESS!!

PEACE!!

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:57:57 GMT

Sue- we need to start calling war profiteers what Truman called them - TRAITORS.
jen,il (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:44 PM)

Right on Jen!!

PEACE!!

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Laura in Los Angeles — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:00:21 GMT

At this point..I don't know who I'm for..but I definitely know I am again this Administration..that I know for certain.

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Supersonic, Los Angeles — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:02:32 GMT

Totally off topic: a link to info about this past Sunday's "Family Guy" season premiere:

http://www.mahalo.com/Family_Guy:_Season_Premiere

Enjoy. For more fun, look up the Star Wars Robot Chicken episode too.

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Mike, AL — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:05:45 GMT

Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:56 PM)

I agree Pam. That's the way he should be removed but there's nobody in the Senate or Congress with any backbone to take on that action.

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B.A. Buddusky — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:07:57 GMT

Hit the F.I. Button Girls and Guys,
It's gorgeous outside:)~ CA,Pam,Steve,Carol,Krista,Larry,Wayne,scott,Laura,George,et
et tu Brutus,and Elvis too.
We obviously are out of T.C.B.
With warm regards,yours truly,
Bad Ass Budduskey also known as small ass Bobby C

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Laura in Los Angeles — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:08:33 GMT

Pam..5:56 PM..I also voted again Gray's impeachment.
I was disgusted at Arnie soon after he became Governor as he proved himself to be just as flip flop as Davis..but Davis was better to my ears..can't stand Arnie's voice.

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Carol, Long Valley NJ — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:15:31 GMT

Copied from another blog -- but useful.

“Voter fraud” is when people ineligible to vote for whatever reason attempt to vote anyway, in an effort to illegally sway the results.

“Voter fraud” is almost nonexistent in this country, the Republicans’ hysterical accusations notwithstanding.

“Election fraud”, on the other hand, is an attempt made by people who have some sort of control over the voting and tabulating process to illegally sway the results.

“Election fraud” is epidemic in this country, the Republicans’ hysterical denials notwithstanding.

It’s important to keep the two firmly separated. One of the neocons’ strategies is conflating the two, thus confusing debate.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:17:52 GMT

there's nobody in the Senate or Congress with any backbone to take on that action.
Mike, AL (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:05 PM)

There are a "few", Dennis Kucinich for example; however, he's not "pretty enough" for the American public. Senator Kennedy is another; however, people didn't listen to him either. It's a sad time in this country!!

You nailed it friend!!

PEACE!!

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Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:21:54 GMT

Hi Supersonic (6:02 pm post)! I already have the season premiere of FAMILY GUY saved for posterity on a disc. I literally ached at the end because I was laughing so hard. I perpetually had tears running down my face and thought, at one point, that I was going to loose control of certain bodily functions. What an ABSOLUTE LAUGH RIOT!!! The Star Wars Robot Chicken rocked, as well! Thanks for the chuckle recall; I needed that!

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K. Collins, USN — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:27:58 GMT

If this were a true democracy, where we elected a Prime Minister, Then partys could elect for a no confidence vote and have him replaced. However party coalitions don't exist here.

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LT in MD — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:32:43 GMT

Mike, Baltimore, Md (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:50 PM) Hey there Mike.. You do realize American soldiers and lot's of civilians are dying as we speak, in a little something called the Iraq Conflict?" (Not a war, since Mission Accomplished declared)..

Perhaps thats why us "lubruls" are talking about Iraq and getting out of that mess, rather than say, Larry Craig and toilet stall etiquette. How about giving the petty Faux Noise spin a rest. Who are you trying to convince and What are you trying to convince us of? Please get a clue.

Peace to Us All

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Laura in Los Angeles — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:32:45 GMT

B.A..6:07 PM..GREAT idea B.A...I'm outta here..

Buenas Noches to everyone..

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:51:26 GMT

B.A. Buddusky (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:07 PM)

I love you B A, God Bless you!!

PEACE!!

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Stu Monger — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:05:33 GMT

defunding means we fight with the army we have!

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kingsXrulz, San Diego, CA — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:55:34 GMT

Kathy, Chicago, Il Wed. 4:59 PM - "I would add to also seek a law that the American people would have the right/power to seek the firing of any elected officials who have abused the laws of OUR CONSTITUTION."

The American people do have this power; at the voting booth, once every two years for representatives and once every four years for senators.

Outside of that there is something in the Constitution (which I know you've read because you mentioned it). Article II, Section 4: The President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

No new laws necessary. Seek the application of existing law if you feel it is warranted.

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Mike, MD — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:32:01 GMT

CAROL, LONG VALLEY!

Ah, Carol:

SHUSTER APOLOGIZES (amazingly!)

SHUSTER APOLOGIZES: At 6:44 PM EDT, MSNBC broke into the Tucker Carlson show to air a terse apology from Shuster

"On Monday evening while guest-hosting the 6 p.m. evening hour, I conducted an interview with Tennessee Republican Marsha Blackburn. The congresswoman spoke at length about a newspaper ad that criticized General Petraeus. In what I believed was an effort to examine Representative Blackburn's priorities, I then asked her to name the last soldier from her congressional district killed in Iraq.

She responded "the name of the last soldier killed in Iraq from my district, I do not know." After that response, I identified who I believed to be that fallen soldier, a Tennessean killed in Iraq last month. But according to Pentagon documents, that young man came from a town inside a neighboring congressional district, not from Representative Blackburn's, and for that, I apologize for that mistake."

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doomed — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:21:18 GMT

thanks for censoring me

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nuanced — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:11:50 GMT

Just finished the watching the debate. Another torture-the-terrorist hypothetical. I am totally disgusted with the news media. As John Stewart said "please stop hurting America." Are they incapable of talking about the real problems in America instead of Republican scare tactics.

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Carol, Long Valley NJ — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 04:30:25 GMT

Mike, MD

Good for him. He did the right thing, and showed character and courage. But the important point was and still is -- moveon.org hasn't killed anyone with their ad. Continuing to send our troops to referee a civil war has killed almost 4,000 brave American soldiers and disabled thousands.

Why are the Republicans so obsessed with a newspaper ad, and yet still won't cooperate with the Democrats on anything -- but especially on finding a way to end this occupation.

Tennessee Republican Marsha Blackburn has her priorities skewed. She couldn't name one soldier from her district who had died, but she knew all the minutiae about the moveon/NYT ad.

What would be even more impressive would be if the Republicans apologized for the Swift Boat lies, for the insults to Max Cleeland, and to every mother who lost a child because of the hubris of this administration. That would take courage, fortitude and humility to admit mistakes of that nature. Instead they waste taxpayers time over an ad.

How long do you think it will take for the Republican obstructionists in the Senate to apologize? I, for one, will not hold my breath.

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Laura in Los Angeles — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:37:40 GMT

C A Al Wednesday 3:25 PM..sounds like a winner. Wouldn't it be great if it came to pass..don't think it will, but we can dream can't we?

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Kevin (Ghost) of NJ — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:16:05 GMT

I must also state it was YOU who began attacking me and others, using very nasty words. I forgive you!! Please continue on your new path displaying "manners" in your posts!!

PEACE!!

Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California (Sent Wednesday, September

I don't dispute that I used harsh language, because that is because of my passion on the subjects. I would also suggest that you and your pals on this blog have used harsh language against us. But if you are willing to go this new path of civility, I forgive you also. But I will continue on this new path.

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Full Moon — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:16:47 GMT

Laura (Wednesday, September 26, 2:20PM) I believe the word is African-Americans, not Blacks. Wake up!

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Full Moon — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:17:18 GMT

Laura (Wednesday, September 26, 2:20PM) I believe the word is African-Americans, not Blacks. Wake up!

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Kevin (Ghost) of NJ — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:21:38 GMT

At no time did Sue say our military has killed anyone, she said "BushCo and the Repubikants".

Mike, AL (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:48 PM)

I didn't twist anything. If you read here statement, it is as follows:

"and we have killed more than a million Iraqis)."

If she choses to modify her statements fine, then all that is left is the amount, which is subject to speculation. So, I am not twisting anything, I read some of the vitriol on this blog, and I respond.

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Kevin of NJ — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:23:51 GMT

In regards to name-calling: sometimes that's the only way to get right wingers attention. So I'll end by saying this. You are my moron. Go haunt another blog.
Mike, AL (Sent Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:48 PM)

You just showed your intelligence level. Between you and Timmy, the left has quite an intellectual base. You just aren't willing to listen to another side of the debate without name calling. But I will refrain....

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:28:27 GMT

kingsXrulz (7:55 PM Post): I may be wrong but I believe that Kathy - Chicago was looking for a more immediate authority and ability to terminate. The voting booth is fine but often not timely enough. If one has to wait 3 1/2 years to vote out a Senator who abused the constituion during the first year of his/her term how much more damage can that Senator do to the country and those they represent before they can be voted out. There are actions Congress can take with Representatives and Senators but as we see there is most often a great deal of game playing and defending that goes on for months before any action if any is taken. I think Kathy wants something that would be more swift and decisive. You abuse the Constiution on Thursday you take unpaid leave the rest of Thursday and all of Friday and have your desk cleaned out by 5:00 PM Friday. I'm sure it happens that way in your place of business if an employee violates a major rule. Why does it also not apply to our employees, the Representatives, Senators and Presidents.

In the same light I did like John Edward's comment about national health care in the debate last night. Telling the Representatives and Senators if they do not implement a plan to provide health care to Americans who cannot afford the same within 6 months, they lose their health care benefits. Now that's called acccountability. Something that our government officals seriously lack. Amen!

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kingsXrulz, San Diego, CA — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:04:00 GMT

That dude on the far right side of the picture ain't wearin' no tie.

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Kathy, Chicago, IL — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:43:49 GMT

C A (10:28 Post)

Absolutely my point! I was being facitious (spelling?) in my response of "firing" elected officials. But impeachment must be voted by Congress - this Congress unfortunately has not listened to us "voters". We are now stuck. I have signed every petition of impeachment out there & contacted my state reps - NOTHING HAS CHANGED! SO FRUSTRATING!!! But will not give up!

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nuanced — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:17:10 GMT

Tim Russert is a disgrace. He needs to read the constitutions which says "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." He was clearly giving the candidates a religious test pop quiz in the so-called debate when he asked them to come up with a bible quote. This has nothing to do with qualifications to run the country or their stand on issues and it violates the constitution. It would have made much more sense to ask the candidates for a quote from the US constitution since they will be sworn to uphold it.

Backed into the same religious test corner and forced to spout god-talk or lose the election I would have chosen Jesus' advice to “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s” which was a clear call to separation of church and state which he further amplified when he said “My kingdom is not of this world"

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Sue, hoping this repeat post makes it to the blog, West Allis, Wisconsin — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:59:34 GMT

Mad - apparantly my yesterday post is among those posts that never get posted. I was not referring to you when I made the reference to people not using their own names. I was referring to the attack dogs who wage personal attacks and name calling and then hide behind a pseudonym.

We ARE responsible for the deaths of over a million Iraqis. They would be alive today if we hadn't invaded and occupied their country. We don't have to kill them with our own guns and bombs to be responsible for those deaths. I stand by my original statement to that effect.

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Tom, DC — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:05:56 GMT

Say it aint so!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The big three dems are BACKING AWAY FROM THE "PULL OUT THE TROOPS DEMAND"! That's right moonbats, tree huggers, pot heads, and just all around HIPPY wannabes, Hill, Barack and the $400 Haircut have ALL backed away from the pull out mantra!

Guess the only ones left to vote for is Kucinich and the Hollywood nut cases!

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Laura in Los Angeles — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:21:01 GMT

Full Moon Thursday 8:16 AM..oh Full Moon I know you must still be a bit angry about the comment I made to you the other day, but no need to be picky. Either description is accepted.

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Tom, DC — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:50:05 GMT

Distict of Columbia Superior Court Judge Michael McCarthy issued the order to Sheehan around noon, a court spokeswoman said. The warrant means she is to be taken into custody and brought before the court. She also faces one count of unlawful assembly.

My day just keeps getting better!

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Full Moon — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:55:42 GMT

Laura - You make a lot of comments. Which one would that be? And if Billo can't say Blacks then how is it you can? What say you?

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Frederick Sweeney, Brooklyn — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:04:30 GMT

Simple fact of the matter is there will be a gradual draw down as next year progesses. The military doesn't have the man power and if a Democrat is elected, because you know Karl Rove is scurrying about the country rigging the election machines, they will draw down to 3, maybe 4 brigades, because as a wise man once said, "you break it, you own it" We broke it, didn't we, George?
Tom,DC
Here's a hypothetical for the Republicans debate, stem cell research proves beyond a doubt that it can cure all forms of cancer. Mr. Guliani, Romney, et.al. do you accept the scientific fact and allow the research to proceed? Love to see how that would play with the Christian/Right.

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Laura in Los Angeles — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:19:27 GMT

Full Moon 3:55 PM..my post of Wednesday 6:44 PM in response to yours same day. Anyway, who says O'Reilly can't use the word Blacks. I'm not aware he was prevented from using it. I did not see his show with Sharpton. Do you read all blogs. Many people use the word. Just like people use the word Latinos or Mexican/American, which is a description I don't like.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:33:26 GMT

Laura: Full Moon is just trying to get under your skin as he/she has no comment of substance to disagree with you on. The only persons who can determine whether they feel ok with being called Black versus African Americans or African Americans versus Blacks are the African Americans or Blacks. Let's cut to the chase. We all know that O'Reilly's obvious predjudice came from his commments that he was surprised that Blacks / African Americans could operate and maintain a restuarant to those standards of those of White owners. I didn't call those comments ignorant because that would be giving O'Reilly a pass. If one truly does not know better then the predujudice is questionable. But O'Reilly does know better. His comments were racist no matter how he tries to spin it, period. He should be fired.

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Laura in Los Angeles — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:47:04 GMT

C A..4:33..thanks C A .. I figured out Full Moon this morning with his post. Just trying to be civil in a way. Thanks again friend..

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Timmy, Milwaukee WI — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:48:59 GMT

I believe the word is African-Americans, not Blacks. Wake up!
Full Moon (Sent Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:16 AM)

Every one of my black friends is insulted by the term "African American".

It's a term thought up by a neoclown just like you, I suspect, so they could look all high-minded.

If you actually knew anyone of color personally, you might have a clue that they are every bit as much a person as you are.

OK scratch that, they are probably more of a person than you are.

There's always a lot more to people than what you can see, Moony.

But you and the rest of the neoclown posse will learn this when you grow up.

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Tom, DC — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:40:20 GMT

I almost forgot! When do we get to talk about the "Stolen Vote"?

Election reform needs to happen in this Congress controlled by Democrats! So much for Draining the swamp, these Democrats are filling it up!

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LT in MD — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:47:32 GMT

It is indeed a sad commentary on the polarization of America, that folks are no longer able to agree to disagree. If the "liberals" don't agree with the supporters of the current administration, they are just %&**#$ worthless blankety blanks..

Again for the record, I am first and foremost an American. It is my right to believe how I want to believe and to vote my conscience. If the right-wingers would like join this blog in a cogent discussion of issues, please feel free to do so. It is almost guaranteed that any 'liberal' views would be immediatly censored on a conservative blog site.

Seriously, I cannot fathom how some neocons say that liberals are suppressing freedom of speech and expression.. I think sometimes the liberal viewpoint goes overboard to make sure no one's right to speak is denied. That is why the rational, thinking blogger has to put up with unintelligent vitriol and 'out of control anger-management problem' posts from the blinders-wearing neocon crowd.

I implore the Full Moons, Wayne's, scott's, Ghost's and Larry's to think about it. Maybe you have something to say that is worth hearing.. if you stop flinging insults and wild generalities, maybe the rest of us will pay attention.

Peace to Us All

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Larry Charleston,SC — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:08:14 GMT

LT , you have to look no further than Pam Bignardi to illustrate the hate and rage put forth by the liberals on this site. Still can't get over their party losing 2 elections to "W" , which states volumes about the liberal candidates of the MOVEON party.

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Full Moon — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:40:08 GMT

Larry (Friday, September 28, 1:08PM) Great blog, hitting the nail squarely on the head. Now THAT'S what I'm talking about!

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:28:54 GMT

Full Moon (Sent Friday, September 28, 2007 4:40 PM)

Oh Full Moon, your kindness lasted one day, now, you have aligned yourself with Larry, who has called my twin daughters "terrorists" on this site. Why? Because they are American born citizens, as am I; however, their father is a Jordanian native!!

Full Moon, you've proven yourself once more to be a mean person who talks out of your mouth one day, then your ass the next!!

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Peter G V/T — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:49:21 GMT

Haven't you been listning it was stolen. both elections stolen. Just ask any Liberal. Their is a petition out thier that was signed proveing it. Literaly dozens of people have signed it