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Madame Sadie — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:04:40 GMT

#2--Wow. And you didn't need a crystal ball to make that prediction either. Im-PRESS-ive.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:18:20 GMT

It is nice to see Congressman James Clyburn being fair!! Kudos; Chill Bill and NEVER use Ronald Reagan's name again Senator Obama --I guess he should both of them on a time out??

Sincerely, I appreciate his level of fairness, which has been seriously lacking elsewhere!!

PEACE!!

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Jim, Hazelwood, MO. 63042 — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:20:22 GMT

I love Olberman.

Right up there w/ Adam Corolla and others who so galantly illustrate what needs illustration!

What in the world is that jerk from The Huffington Post talking about?

I loved Moore's film about Bush and have been dying to see someone do a comprehensive retrospective of The Bush (#2) Admin. Can't wait to buy my own copy of it.

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Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:21:15 GMT

You know, Republicans love every minute of this tiff, this squabble, this rift, whatever the hell you want to call it. Do we need to start waxing back to the good ‘ol “Oh No! It’s the Mr. Bill Show” SNL days?! What's "Mr. Bill" going to say next?

The “Camp Pain ‘08” caption was very good! I’m already getting sick of this election, and I consider myself to be an educated "newsy" informed voter. What about the voters who could give a rat’s behind?

Shouldn’t New Yorkers know Mayor Rudy best? No wonder he’s sinking there. And, New Yorkers “don’t like losers”? How ‘bout those Knicks? Sorry, I couldn't resist! :) If anyone is taking seriously anything Chuck Norris says, heaven help us all. Refer to the last sentence above. There is your “typical” voter.

Ah, the return of CoulterGeist to WPITW makes me feel all warm and fuzzy – warm and fuzzy in a nauseous food poisoning sort of way. And, I’ve had food poisoning, so I know of what I speak. I’ve never felt worse in my life, and I prayed for death.

GO GIANTS! Good night, everybody.

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Anna Molly (: always loves the journey and #4 — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:24:10 GMT

Taking a chill? Give everyone an orange Giuliani, loaded with vitamin 911. All this bickering takes energy, for sure.

Proxy subtlety? I’m not playing the race card, you’re the one who’s playing the race card. No, you are. As subtle as a sledgehammer, maybe. Reverse dirty politics, for sure.

John Edwards -- kingmaker it is, or at the very least, prince charming. What’s your role now? Take a clue from Fred Thompson.

Just peeked in on the debate -- everyone is looking very presidential, but they’re talking about the issues. Back to Countdown for the really important gossip.

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Anna Molly (: — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:24:56 GMT

St. Rudy Slippers -- Who cares about his economic plan? Let’s talk about the Yankees. If you had watched Morning Joe you today would have discovered they didn’t keep him off camera because the shark machinery didn’t work -- it’s because of the rouge and the eyeliner. Take an orange Giuliani to fix that pasty complexion, Mayor. And keep talking tax cuts, okay? (September 11)

You still don’t know what Fred Thompson’s speech was about? It was about dogging it for John McCain. That’s his new job, Countdown.

Bushed! You already know the answer, Countdown. Dick Cheney’s office didn’t write any e-mails on September 30, 2003, because they were too busy shredding hard documents according to industry practices in order to open government and the freedom of information.

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Anna Molly (: — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:25:37 GMT

Back to the debate -- Audience booing Senator Clinton for attacking Senator Obama? Wow. This is REAL political theatre. Senator Edwards interrupts -- wants to know if he’s included. Me, too. You don’t like squabbling, Senator? It’s only just begun. You’ve been very explicit about how you plan to pay for your ideas? Well, there was your first big mistake, Senator.

WPitW -- Ann Coulter -- Mint one of those coins for her. It should be made out of tin to match her voice, and completely flat, to match her … affect. The Coulter is not legal tender, being by definition, counterfeit.

Skipped #1 and went back to the debate. Universal health care? Iraq withdrawal plans? What’s that all about? Paris and her little dog -- now that’s what WE want to know about. Sheesh.

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Anna Molly (: — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:43:44 GMT

Debate update -- Senator Edwards says he would like to fight with Bill O’Reilly. Really. Now there’s my idea of a fairy tale -- Prince Charming slashing his way through the tangled Forest of Bloviation, climbing the dark tower of Faux Noise, and vanquishing the evil Count Billo to rescue the damsel democrats in distress. I think we’ve found a niche for you, Senator. Go to it.

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Terry Maag, Nampa, Idaho — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:00:45 GMT

Reagan vs Bill Clinton?
I was working for the State in an outreach program for disadvantaged children in northern Idaho when Reagan took office. At parents request, I literally drove out into the boonies in a Ford Pinto and tested over 500 kids per year.
It took Reagan less than a year to cut our federal funding and give that money to private physicians; which meant a lot of kids just didn't get any help--(our youth).
This "cut" forced me out of a job. As a young father I saw many things CHANGE during the Reagan era, including the acceptance by our American society of a homeless class beyond anything previously acceptable to the American people. Bush CHANGED America too but I wouldn't brag about it.
I find it unspeakable, selfish and unsettliing for a Democratic candidate to cross over and compare Bill Clinton to Ronald Reagan in any way that would try to make Reagan look better for the purposes of winning the California Democratic delegates!

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Linda,Soddy Daisy — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:23:45 GMT

"Chill Bill" Who's running for President Bill or Hillary? We do not see any of the other candidates spouses out front like Bill Why is this? Clearly he should support Hillary but not stand out in front of her, secondly he should be very careful about the attacks he brings up on the other candidates because it could very well be brought up about his past mistake with "Monica" serving as President of the United States. Attacking another candidate says something about your character and we can see its being done to distract voters. We want the candidates to stick to the issues that we Americans face.

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NW Reader — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:37:51 GMT

Countdown, have you seen this article?

The FBI has been accused of covering up a file detailing government dealings with a network stealing nuclear secrets

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3216737.ece

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M&M — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:38:31 GMT

Chill? Put him in a deep freeze! As ex-president he is exhibiting the same classless behavior as Jimmy Carter by denegrating either a sitting president or one running for office. In fact, poor Bill is starting to look like Carter and I believe he can't stand the idea of relinquishing his glamour position of democratic head of the Party to a young upstart.Plus he has an unfinished legacy or so he thinks.

A hundred years from now Bill is not going to be remembered for the Family Medical and Leave Act nor the Omnibus Budget Act; he will not be remembered for riding the coattails of a tremendous economic upsurge brought on by computer technology. The bombing of the Cole and our country's bombing of Serbia will long be forgotten when Bill Clinton's name is recalled. His legacy will always be his impeachment for lying under oath about having sex with an intern - a young girl in his stewardship. I know I will never forget the converstion I had to have with my then 11 and 9 year old daughter and son about the meaning of oral sex. This is Bill Clinton's legacy and to me he will always be a hedonistic, amoral philanderer and certainly anything but our first Black president.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:10:51 GMT

Regarding tonight's debate --all three candidates needed to be sent to their corners for a LONG time out!! How embarrassing!!

Having said that, I heard on the radio today a few hours before the debate that Clinton is pretty much conceding SC to Obama and is spending three days this week in California, Arizona and a few other Super Tuesday states. If that's true, it's a brilliant move and also explains tonight.

First, Clinton won't win SC and she has accepted it; her campaigning there has such great potential of causing more racial tensions, which could hurt her nationally --she's not going to win SC. It would also hurt Obama nationally –I’m glad Clinton made this decision (if it’s true –one never knows with “news”)!!

Second, Obama was debating FOR South Carolina tonight; Clinton was clearly debating for a national audience; she was looking at Tsunami Tuesday. In my opinion, she scored major points nationally with her answers --she did very well.

Obama needs the win in SC and he answered the questions for South Carolina, he also did very well with how he framed his answers. This strategy is excellent for SC in my opinion; however, I wouldn't recommend he use it elsewhere.

Having said that, they all acted like toddlers --my twins --and they were very, very rambunctious and more time outs than I can count --NEVER acted like these three did tonight –Edwards was not much better!!

WOW!!

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Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:43:33 GMT

#1. The pessimist says it can't get any worse. The optimist says it can. #2. Eli's comin', hide yer heart...#3. If Stone has Rosie O'Donnell play Laura, it will definitely be a Comedy. If it's Britney Spears, it will be a Tragedy. #4. Unnamed Sources claim Rudy also has Ranger Goalie Henrik Lundqvist's endorsement if he needs it. #5. Clyburn's advice is basically the same to both of them. "Dont Invoke Nothin'...at least, for a while."

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RWB2 — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 05:11:03 GMT

Congressman James Clyburn has been spouting off for three weeks. He's as much a man of his word as Obama. They're both liars and cheats and shame on anyone who votes for them! Bill Clinton defends his wife against Obama's demented political comments about great Republican ideas and you pretend Bill's the bad guy? You're as big a sell-out as Obama!

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thank you — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 05:16:53 GMT

newshole update blog please.

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rodmantia — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 05:28:56 GMT

Wow, first? Ok, Hillary cannot just up and say "women should vote for a woman", and Obama doesnt't dare use a similar racial frame of reference, but every black under 30 I've met exspouses what they refer to as the NWA and would vote for any black except maybe C. Rice. Conversely, every black over 30 I've met uses pragmatism laced with experience and backs Clinton. Should Bill chill? yes, we need Obama to fill the vp post, uniting all democracts and gaining valuable experience. And besides, with only Carter and Clinton as successful Dem's in 30 years, maybe we should copy some GOP style, if not substance. Paraphrasing Goldwater, never speak ill of a fellow Dem.

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rodmantia, Phoenix — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 05:33:51 GMT

Bush the movie, is this a horror pic, a comedy, a tragic drama, sci-fi, or a mix of all the above? Better rate it R so all the kids will go see it and be forever traumatized enough to give the GOP the fear and loathing routine. HI Pam, sure missed reading your ascerbic and dead on wit!

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Carol, Long Valley NJ — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 05:44:54 GMT

If you wish to validate or debunk political rumors go to this website

http://www.snopes.com/politics

As of Tuesday, 1/22/2008, there are still 364 days until the end of this regime on 1/20/2009
There are 349 days until the end of this Congress on 1/5/2009
There are 287 days until election day -- 11/4/2008

There are still more Primaries to come! Continue to evaluate ALL the candidates and think wisely before you vote.
And we are counting down.

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Bob Unger — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 05:45:12 GMT

I attended the Nevada Democratic Caucus. I can confirm that the Hillary campaign handbook did say that the doors were to be closed at 11:30 but while helping to set up the room, I also posted the official rules printed by the State Democratic Party. The copy I posted on our precinct's wall also said the doors were to be closed at 11:30.

The biggest problem with the caucus was that no one knew what they were doing. My precinct's caucus was held at the same school as 15 others. Everyone who arrived had no idea what precinct they were in. All of the complaints that you have heard about people being turned away are from people who did not know their number. They were trying to send them to their proper precincts. The 100 people in our caucus acted reasonably enough and realized all the confusion and kept the doors open until 12:00.
Since we were expecting 40-50 people, we were given 75 ballot cards. We ended up with 97 and worked out agreements in the meeting on how to count and record our vote.
Although the caucus was totally disorganized, the overwhelming message was the huge turnout. Don't let all the mistakes take away what was a great day for democracy and the Democratic Party. We have been outvoted by Republicans for years and drew 120,000 Democrats to the caucus while the Republicans had about 40,000.

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Robert Freels, Bridgeville, Delaware. — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 05:56:34 GMT

Here we go again. Republican Congress with the help of some Democrats and an Independent complain about our intitlements but I don't hear them complaining about their intitlements. I think they rail against us because they have spent our intitlements and want more to give to their rich friends. It is way beyond time for all their friends to pay their fair share and give us what many of us have worked for some times for 40 & 50 years and in some cases must still work. I want to know why the President and Congress are so special living on the backs of poor Americans. I trust you the most Keith. I think,if you will, that you can sock it to them.

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Lurking in the Shadows — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:11:30 GMT

You are losing your bloggers along with their comments and lack of updates. You have already lost several of my favorites .... don't lose more. Take this seriously. Just think how you'd feel if Daily Kos lost Keiths post!

If you want to continue this blog, take your responsibility seriously. If not, just discontinue it as a favor to everyone disgusted with it's slow, inevitable decline into demise.

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Frances Rodriguez, Carterville, Illinois — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:24:45 GMT

tonight the question was asked as to why the obama camp would raise the question about the voter suppresion in Nevada without asking for legal action. Did it ever occur to any of you that it was done to shed a light on the clinton's tactics so it might not be as apt to happen in the future. After bush winning two elections without his people's tactics questioned, can any of us afford to stand by and allow this way of winning go by without voicing our concerns.

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gator,stuart,fl — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:59:50 GMT

Hmm. A movie about Dumbya. Will it be a comedy, drama, documentary or a tragedy? Who will be Cordelia to his Lear? Who will be Brutus to his Caesar? I think we already know who will be Iago to his Othello. Stone often makes a movie with an odd topic but I'm wondering what studio can be talked into financing something like this. Will it just cover his political life or will it include his alcohol and cocaine besotted twenties and thirties. Will it include his finding God ( who knew God was lost)? Will it show his business career, mediocre until he saddled Texas taxpayers with the cost of a stadium to create an enormous profit for him upon his sale of his interest in the Rangers? Will we finally see the secret rites of Skull and Bones? Will we finally get the answer to the most important questions of all: Who or what is George Bush and who cares? He has created an image of ineptitude and indifference which will characterize him in perpetuity. It is less than one year until a new president occupies the White House and we will no longer have to deal with Dumbya the dilettante. For the Republicans, unfortunately, it will probably take at least two election cycles for them to recover. They will be swamped this November.

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Jamie, Lago Patria, Italia — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:51:40 GMT

Good Tuesday afternoon to all. My family & I had a great time up in bella Toscana-the Leaning Tower of Pisa was an especially cool thing for my four boys to see.

Speaking of being up North-the air quality was awesome; there were recycling bins everywhere; and there were NO bags of trash lining the streets.

Folks, you need to understand that the current situation in the Naples area is having an impact on our forces, government employees & the families (the impact on the Italians goes without saying). Our government is 'working' with the Italian government, and the Navy has called in people from the US to assess air & water quality-great.

It is common for areas around here to burn trash, but with no landfill to put ANY trash, it has been accumulating and many areas are starting to burn the trash-not good.

2008 - HEALTH RISK ASSESSMENT INFORMATION SHEET >>Top
The Navy is committed to protecting the health and well-being of it members and their families. As residents of Naples, Navy leadership understands your concerns, and is working closely with the Government of Italy to answer your questions.

Navy Region Europe leadership has asked the Navy and Marine Corps Public Health Center in Portsmouth, Virginia to work with local and national public health officials to evaluate the potential health risks from exposure to substances in the environment. Their team of experts has begun collecting information, and will arrive in Naples soon to work with Italian and U.S. Navy officials."

Kevin in NJ: I think right now I'd rather deal with the 'murderer on the loose in Chula Vista', vice the trash on the loose here. It's nasty.

I'll keep ya posted.

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Anna Molly (: — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:40:18 GMT

As with Pam I don't think there is such a thing as a popularity rating. But the numbers both received when leaving office were neck and neck, Clinton 65 and Reagan 64. And like I said, using proper margins of error for such polling data (at least 2 to 3 percentage points) their approval ratings were pretty even. C A, Tuscaloosa, AL (Sent Monday, January 21, 2008 12:47 PM)

C A -- This morning I happened to see this blog in The New York Times and thought you might be interested. There is a link to a Wikipedia article that shows 12 different instruments measuring former presidents. There are some scholar rankings but also some popular polls, including various polls taken from 2006 to 2007. For whatever it’s worth, sir.

http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/21/the-top-ten-presidents/index.html?ref=opinion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_United_States_Presidents

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:11:20 GMT

I think it is agreed that Bill Clinton needs to chill a bit. Hillary's response to a question regarding Bill's involvement in her campaign that she would expect him to support and campaign for her as do Edward's and Obama's spouses was partially correct yet partially wrong.

Bill would be expected to support and campaign for Hillary, but to say that Edward's and Obama's wives have the same media exposure, influence and political machine ties as Bill Clinton and therefore the same impact against another candidate is ludicrous. In regard to the candidate's spouses the playing field is not equal and Hillary knows this. Her overgeneralized statement to the question was lame. On the other hand, what else would we expect her to say. Her whole campaign is becoming quite lame as well.

Hillary's response to Obama during this exchange, after Obama made a comment regarding Bill's recent attacks against him, that she was standing there and not Bill, Obama should have come back and asked "are you sure"?

All in all Edwards won the debate. Hillary and Obama's squabbles were childish and embarassing. Perhaps Edwards will get some kind of boost from the debate.

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Joan, Columbia,SC — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:28:42 GMT

Good news - John Edwards is the native son in SC
Bad news - We can't stand him
Worst news- Trailing Hillary Roddam and Barak Hussein

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old nick, chicago, il — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:30:28 GMT

I don't remember anybody asking the most obvious question on ANY news program yesterday, Keith:

If Obama can't handle criticism from the former President, how on earth will he be able to handle it from the GOP if he wins the nomination? The Republicans are going to throw everything at him.

He did seem to hold his own in last night's debates, though.

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Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:10:17 GMT

"Bush". Unnamed sources claim Hollywood is in an uproar over the Casting Calls for the movie about Dubya. Though Josh Brolin supposedly has the inside track on the lead role, there are plenty of others who demand a Screen Test, including, Kevin Costner, John Goodman, Tilda Swinton, and K-Fed. Laura is also hotly contested, with Cate Blanchett, Winona Ryder, Jessica Simpson, and Star Jones, lobbying hard for it. Dick Cheney's role has drawn Jesse Ventura, Robin Williams, and a digital-facsimile of Klaus Kinski. Karl Rove has supposedly been locked up by Eddie Murphy. The role of the twins will most certainly be taken by Mary-Kate and Ashley Olson, though Mickey "The Psycho" James and Beth "The Glamazon" Phoenix of WWE wrestling fame, seriously want the roles. The role of Ann Coulter will most certainly be played by newcomer-to-acting, Dirk Nowitzki of Dallas Mavericks, in Drag. Oliver Stone is rumored to be using Mark Twain's "A Connecticutt Yankee in King Arthur's Court" as the basis for his script, with added inspiration from the unauthorized biography of Benedict Arnold, "Eggs Benedict". Whatever happens, we are in for a 'Peach' of a Movie.

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Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:13:01 GMT

Terry Maag, Nampa, Idaho (Sent Monday, January 21, 2008 10:00 PM) Hi! You deserve a medal for all of your good work - especially driving a Pinto! ;)

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Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:13:44 GMT

Someone at COUNTDOWN is digging up the Florida tribute, right? Please?? :)

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crotalus — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:27:50 GMT

"
"Rattlesnake?

seriously?"

far left gaviidae in mpls (Sent Monday, January 21, 2008 6:09 PM)

Loons? Seriously? Or is this your parking space at the mall?

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Kevin of NJ — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:28:07 GMT

Wow the democratic candidates have really gotten personal. Last night's debate was a disgrace, and I believe that this childish bickering is going to turn alot of voters off, and could end up hurting the democratic party. Anna Molly said that in the earlier post that they were very presidential (later retracted), but I have to say they were anything but presidential last night.

Keith, as for Rudy, no one cares. He is not going to be the nominee. His campaign strategy was the worst in recent history. But your reveling in his unraveling is mindless. Please move on.

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Pat, Boston, MA — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:29:35 GMT

Barack Obama needed to correct Bill Clinton's assertions leveled at him. I think it would have hurt him had he not done so. Political analysts will say this will hurt Barack.

I don't see it that way.

_______________________

I would have to think there are a lot of disappointed football fans here this morning since Brett Favre wasn't able to get the Packers to the Super Bowl. A lot of people laughed at Terrell Owens when he cried after losing, but in reality when EVERYONE has you as the favorite to win for most of the season, it's crushing when you lose.

Belichick v. Coughlin.

Congratulations Giants fans. Don't let the 13 point underdog label get to you. The Pats were 13/14 point underdogs to the Rams heading into the 2002 Super Bowl and we beat them. EVERYONE picked the Rams. The Giants remind me of that Patriots' team. It should be a good match-up in two weeks. The Patriots are not invincible.

18-0. Unbelievable. It wasn't pretty or easy.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:32:35 GMT

old nick, chicago (9:30 AM Post):

On the contrary, I think Obama can handle very well the criticisms that will be thrown at him, by Dems or Republicans. Obama's issue is not being able to handle the criticisms but a decision on how to handle them. I think last night showed that Obama has decided he was going to start fighting fire with fire. He has determined he was not going to take the BS any longer and to fight back. Whether you agree with him or his positions or not, I agree with the decision he has made to stand firm and to get a little tough. He did not have an emotional moment because he was being criticzed by all sides, including a very popular ex-Presdient who is not running for President (or is he), but Obama has decided to go toe for toe. Win or lose good for him.

Note on many of Hillary's responses to legitimate questions last night about the issues as health care , the economy, etc., many of her responses were preferenced with "we" looked at this and "we" studied this and "we" decided this. If she wants to be considered and elected on her own merit she needs to begin using "I" before making such responses and proposals. Every time she says "we" there is a message being given to people that these positions and proposals are not hers, but rather Bills and hers. It weakens her claim that she is the one standing there, she is the one running, and that she will be the one in charge if elected.

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Jamie, up to our waist in trash, Lago Patria, Italia — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:41:32 GMT

Quick question: We're the Democrat and Republican caucuses held at the same time in NV? If they were, did the Democrats not report their results until much later than the Republicans?

I'm only asking because I was watching Fox 'news' on Saturday (hey, that's what AFN was showing), and for the 45 minutes it was on they only showed the Republican results. So, before I go and slam this 'news' station for their blatant 'fair and balanced as long as you're a neo-con', I just want to make sure what the deal was.

OBTW, read a 'lovely' little column in the Stars & Stripes yesterday. Ann Coulter seems to think that all Democrats are sitting on our front porches waiting for our FEMA checks-oh the cheeky little whore for the neocons. It's actually quite funny when you realize that the woman is off her rocker. No, nothing funny about insanity, but seeing it in that freak, well, it's nearly heart warming.

Ciao!

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:47:47 GMT

Just peeked in on the debate -- everyone is looking very presidential, but they’re talking about the issues. Back to Countdown for the really important gossip.
Anna Molly (: always loves the journey and #4 (Sent Monday, January 21, 2008 9:24 PM)

LOL!! I love this --also, I’ve been seeing the reverse "dirty politics" from the Obama campaign for a while now --as I said earlier, "neither" campaign is pristine –“one” campaign just wants us to think it is—Bhutto’s assassination did it for me!! The Nevada caucus reporting of irregularities is just the latest example of the not so subtle --“dirty” tricks. “Voter irregularity but oh we'll move on" –yeah, nice try --after the seed has been planted –great analogy by your guest Keith!! I find that most disturbing and dirty politicking!!

PEACE!!

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:52:45 GMT

RWB2 (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:11 AM)

Nice to see someone else here sees the "dirty politics" from the not so "pristine" Obama campaign!!

PEACE!!

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:57:34 GMT

Anna Molly (8:40 AM Post):

Thanks for the info. I see that the Greatest Presdidents rankings based on numerous polls have Reagan as ranked No. 15 and Bill Clinton as No. 21. Abraham Lincoln as No. 1.

Not sure I agree with any validity to these polls or to any ranking by well known Presidential scholars. Subjectivity can never be taken out of such polls or opinions. Regarding more recent scholars who rank Presidents I wonder how they would rate the same if they actually lived during the time of past Presidents? Polls and rankings by scholars are based on those criteria used by the scholars to make such rankings. Use different critieria and one might come out with different results. Don't you think? It's also difficult to compare and rank Presidents against others when each faced (or did not face) a unique set of challenges and issues during their Presidency. It would be interesting if we could send them back in time how some of the more recent Presidents would have handled Valley Forge or the War Between the States.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:57:41 GMT

Bob Unger (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:45 AM)

Well thank you Bob for clearing up what the Obama campaign implied as "voter suppression" yet is willing to move on!! As Keith's guest said, "reverse dirty politics" and I don't like it!! I hope this comes out; I’m sick of the bashing of the Clinton’s and the praising of Obama –please, they are both “campaigning” –both camps have done things I don’t like –to say it’s all the Clinton’s is ridiculous –I knew the voter suppression was one BIG lie by the Obama camp when they so “kindly” let it go --yeah!!

Again, thank you sir!!

PEACE!!

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see through, anywhere — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:07:47 GMT

Hillary's response to a question regarding Bill's involvement in her campaign that she would expect him to support and campaign for her as do Edward's and Obama's spouses was partially correct yet partially wrong.
C A, Tuscaloosa, AL (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:11 AM)

Isn't everything Hillary does wrong according to you? You are certainly not very restrained in your prejudice against Hillary. Nice try but you are not fooling anyone. You are not fair and please don't attempt to insult anyone here by pretending to be. You're as transparent as a window and about as delicate as a train wreck.

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Anna Molly (: — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:11:00 GMT

All in all Edwards won the debate. Hillary and Obama's squabbles were childish and embarassing. Perhaps Edwards will get some kind of boost from the debate. C A, Tuscaloosa, AL (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:11 AM)

I agree with that, from what I saw, especially about the squabbles. Edwards is right -- the squabbles do nothing to advance the ball, although for a kicker like me they do make for good political entertainment. I was especially struck by the harshness of the exchange between Clinton and Obama about his (is it Resco?) dealings in Chicago. I was also surprised to see him take off on Obama a little bit more than I would have anticipated, especially with regard to those “present” votes in the Illinois legislature. Just goes to show the desperation they may all be feeling right now. I ’m not sure how much boost Edwards will get; there’s just no accounting for it anymore.

But you know me, C A. After last night, I just want to know if Bill Clinton can dance. You probably already know the answer.

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Chris F., Just o'er the border in Williconsinois — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:16:01 GMT

Mostly watched the debate last night instead of listening to a bunch of bobble-head dolls tell me what I'm supposed to think about what I heard. Have to agree with Pam B. Our candidates (all three of them!) need to be sent to their respective crates for a time out. If they're good, they can have a Kong toy to chew on - better that than each other.

President Clinton's spirited defense of Sen. Clinton has been bothering me for quite a bit. I finally figured out why last night. (Okay, so I'm not the sharpest crayon in the box). The President isn't acting in the same capacity as Michelle Obama or Elizabeth Edwards; he isn't being just a supportive spouse. He is the de facto head of the Democratic Party, and as such, his support of one candidate over another is inappropriate. Granted, the real politik makes it difficult to be certain of exactly what role he SHOULD take. And I'm not suggesting he fold his tent and retire from the field. Perhaps he should take Rep. Clyburn's advice and dial it back a little.

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Carol, Long Valley NJ — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:22:38 GMT

Congratulations to the Jersey Giants for making it into the Super Bowl. If they win, maybe this time they'll remember where they play and have the celebrations locally, in NJ.

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Anna Molly (: — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:36:29 GMT

Who will be Cordelia to his Lear? gator,stuart,fl (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 6:59 AM)

Maintaining the gender metaphor, It would have to be Condoleezza Rice, wouldn’t it? If she had any real political aspirations when she started this process, they’re long gone now. Tragic for her, at least. Overall, I’d say maybe not so much tragedy as problem comedy. We had a few laughs along the way, but we saw such promise wasted, and the ending is likely to be ambiguous at best. You’re sure right about one thing, gator. Starting on January 20, 2009, who will really care? Let’s just hope you’re also right about the elections.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:43:57 GMT

Upon awakening this morning and seeing all the re-run clips of last night’s debate, it was actually much worse than I originally thought --which was pretty bad –after watching it live!!

And people have complained about Bill Clinton’s anger – HAH!! Not even close to the behavior exhibited last night by these three –Edwards’ was slightly --not much --just a bit better –he, too engaged in the idiocy!!

DISGRACEFUL!!

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thank you — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:47:53 GMT

Newshole, please update the blog and find our missing comments. Your moderation is very poor.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:52:17 GMT

On the other hand, what else would we expect her to say. Her whole campaign is becoming quite lame as well.
C A, Tuscaloosa, AL (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:11 AM)

This will be my last comment to you on the subject of Hillary Clinton; it has become very apparent you cannot set your bias aside and treat this campaign and its candidates fairly!! Your statement above is ridiculous --please either admit you dislike Hillary Clinton or try playing fair with the other candidates. I am shocked and saddened that you would continue to slander Hillary Clinton yet maintain you do not dislike her. It's disingenuous and personally very disturbing to me --thank you.

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Steven Rennie, Fillmore, NY — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:52:19 GMT

It was an interesting debate particularly when Obama once again brought up the issue of his faith. I may have missed it, since I didn't see the whole debate, but on Rev. Martin Luther King Day, why is the issue of faith virtually ignored by the MSM when it pertains to Democratic candidates? Why was the possible appearance of a cross in the background of Mike Huckabee's campaign commercial such a problem but no one raised any question about Democratic candidates using appearances in black churches on MLK day for campaign purposes? Huckabee has also been endorsed by a number of black religious leaders but the MSM refers to them as conservative black leaders, not evangelicals. Does the MSM fear referring to them as black evangelicals because the MSM wants us to assume that evangelicals are a white, monolithic group to be feared and it threatens their template? If so, is this not a racist attitude let alone an attitude which exposes a bias against those the MSM labels as evangelicals? Of course it is and the reason there is little debate over this in the MSM is because few in those media have the courage or integrity to confront, investigate, or debate this issue. They fear what they do not understand so they ignore what is opposed to their own worldview.

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THANK YOU — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:55:51 GMT

HELLO NEWSHOLE, UPDATE YOUR BLOG PLEASE.

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Kim P. Denver, Co. — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:57:08 GMT

Obama looked like a blithering idiot. Hillary held her own, quite well I thought.

John Edwards handled himself intelligently and with dignity. He spoke clearly about the issues and his stand on the issues. I really felt he might be my candidate.

Oh wait, that's right, the media doesn't count Edwards as a viable candidate! What was I thinking! Thank God mainstream media is here to instruct us on who is a candidate and who isn't.

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HM, in an ivory tower somewhere — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:59:33 GMT

5 - It's rather amusing that what Bill Clinton says and does seems to get so much attention in this campaign, yet his support for Kerry didn't much matter in 2004. Perhaps he is being overly aggressive, but, by the same token, Obama is coming across as a bit of a whiner. The campaigns need to be about the issues, not a discussion about the conduct of the campaigns, yet that is what the MSM jumps on at every opportunity. Last night's debate is already being characterized as something akin to a cage match, and that is certainly how it started out, but the tenor of the dialogue at the end of the debate was much different. Nobody seems to have noticed that. (And can CNN handle a debate anymore without turning it into some sort of circus?)

4 - Chuck Norris' logic for choosing Huckabee over McCain is interesting. Personally, I can't trust the judgment of a man who looks in the mirror every day and thinks that dye job looks good.

3 - Let's see. James Brolin as Ronald Reagan in a controversial movie that got yanked from CBS. Josh Brolin as George W. Bush in an Oliver Stone film. If Streisand's husband ticked off the Republicans, something tells me her stepson won't have any better luck.

2 - Archie Manning must've missed that installment of the TKO Report. The poor man was clearly in agony.

WPiTW - I'm surprised Coulter is not leading a charge to have the Arnold Engineering Development Center's name changed back to Camp Forrest.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:14:03 GMT

M&M (Sent Monday, January 21, 2008 10:38 PM)

Former President Jimmy Carter is far from classless --honesty is rare in politics isn't it?

Jimmy Carter is the most honest president this country has ever had; what he has done since leaving office is amazing --if MORE ex-presidents and vice presidents had spoken out against Bush before the Iraq war --perhaps things "may" have been different!! The "club of ex-presidents" is a club that should pack up --thank you Jimmy Carter!!

PEACE!!

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gb — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:17:55 GMT

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/21/AR2008012102437.html?wpisrc=newsletter

Fuller coverage of the shouting match. This was and is an absolute disgrace, and I'm less inclined than ever to support either of these two juveniles.

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Karen Webb, Moore, Ok. — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:19:12 GMT

The other spouses have been out there. They just aren't as fun to attack. Why attack a woman with cancer or a woman with kids who is doing exactly what every other female spouse of a candidate has done, which is stand by her man.

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UPDATE — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:28:25 GMT

UPDATE THE BLOG

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update — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:47:31 GMT

newshole,how many hours in between updates?

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thanks — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:03:48 GMT

Newshole wake up

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Suzanne H, Austin, Texas — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:08:53 GMT

Anybody seen this article from today's NY Times about Guiliani? Very interesting reading.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/us/politics/22giuliani.html?_r=1&hp=&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1201024983-RguAd+4XzEvo06+dv5BqlA

Just what we need, another administration that digs up dirt on anyone who dares to question or express a dissenting opinion.

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A. Wisewoman — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:23:14 GMT

Just as well I got nothin' today. Somebody's asleep at the switch. If this were an oldtime train wreck ballad instead of a blog, somebody would done be saying a fond farewell to friends and loved ones.

Come to think of it, it is more like a train wreck than a blog.

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Carol, Long Valley NJ — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:24:07 GMT

Jon Stewart's reaction to Bill Clinton's claim was sceptical to say the least. He was curious as to how Bill and Chelsea, who were surrounded by Secret Service and press, could hear anything while walking through a casino.

It's one of these two URLs (both are funny).

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=148077
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=148079

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Anna Molly (: — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:25:01 GMT

Advantages are advantages. "Fairness" and "legitimacy" are cute and quaint and cuddly but don't get anyone elected president. Did GWB get into office thru hard work and dint of effort? Mo Hammond (Sent Monday, January 21, 2008 7:01 PM)

Hi Mo -- How are things going? I hope you and C A don’t mind if drop in on this discussion. Cute and quaint and cuddly seem a little like my territory. Obviously, and C A knows this, too, all candidates use the advantages they have. John Edwards uses his looks, and I’d be willing to bet that sympathy for his wife is something that has at least crossed the Edwardses’ minds. As far as it goes, there’s nothing wrong with that. But, however you feel about the Clintons, you have to agree that Bill Clinton’s presence weighs more heavily than Elizabeth Edwards’ presence, sympathy notwithstanding, and certainly more than Michelle Obama’s, attractive and articulate as she surely is. As I said yesterday, if I were running, and Bill Clinton was my husband, I’d want him right there next to me.

But maybe C A’s point (and I don’t presume to speak for him) is that this question of “fairness” is really just a matter of perspective. What if, for example, Nancy Reagan had run for president in 1988, capitalizing on Ronald Reagan’s 65 percent approval rating at the time? I’m sure that some folks, democrat and republican alike, might have reasonably believed this was an unfair attempt to end run term limits. And what if, as I blogged last week, Michael Bloomberg decides to enter the 2008 election as a third-party candidate? If he does, he’s likely to bring at least a billion dollars to the table. Whichever way that money rolls, it’s going to tilt the table. Viewed from the perspective of the other candidates, do we NOW say unfair? On what basis? And if so, then exactly where do we draw the line? And then, what do we do about it? To me, the last scenario, at the very least, counsels for campaign spending limits. But it also highlights that, at least sometimes, there can be a level of unfairness that should not be tolerated. I personally do not want to see Michael Bloomberg enter this race, and from what I read, Clinton supporters do not want to see that, either. But like it or not, fair or unfair, it could easily happen.

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THANK YOU — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:25:48 GMT

NEWSHOLE FOUR HOURS AND NO UPDATE. UPDATE YOUR BLOG PLEASE.

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very nice — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:27:02 GMT

Senator Clinton is flying to California today, “to accept the backing of the United Farm Workers Union. Founded by famed labor activist Cesar Chavez, the union represents a heavily Hispanic work force. Clinton won Nevada's presidential caucuses Saturday in part because of a strong showing among Hispanic voters - a central part of her strategy to win several states holding contests Feb. 5, including California, Arizona and New Mexico.”

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Disgusted, TX — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:27:36 GMT

I think America has seen enough of George Bush to last us all a lifetime. A movie about this idiot would be just too much to bear. Bush has kept a war going for years, completely against the advice of the Pentagon, and at many times deliberatrly working at odds with the Pentagon, for nothing more than personal gain. If you want to find out what's really going on in Iraq, read the Asian Times on the net. It will not only tell you the truth about what is going on in Iraq but scare the crap out of you. For everyone but the 19% who would still worship George Bush if he took a whiz on their carpet, this non-mainstream media (i.e. not American) provides the information that Washington hides from you. Look it up on the net. You'll find today's column on Iraq quite interesting.

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David Molinero — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:33:01 GMT

The Best Long Term Stimulus Program that the Government could do would be to Pay-Off the National Debt.

Beyond that, make doing Business Cheep here in the U.S.

A Business in a month, will make X amount of Money. From X, they have to pay, A (Utilities) B (Rent) C (Maintenance) D (Taxes) E (Employees) and F (Other Expenses) G (Equipment) which adds up to Y. With whatever left-over, if anything, as Profit.

A Smart Business will set some Profits aside as Capital Reserve for when X doesn't pay Y, and replenish it as soon as possible.

Now when the Government Mandates that the Business pays this and that, which suddenly increases the cost of Y, then the cost either gets passed on in their goods and services, cut expenses where they can, mix the two previous options, or after a time go out of business.

Increases in the Minimum Wage, mandating Health Care, and other things, only stresses the limited budget that that a Business has to work with. And can over time break a business.

I've worked 20hrs in a day in mine, only to make $2.00, or even less after daily expencies. (Thankfully, not everyday or I'd be doing something else.) Being the only person on Payroll, cutting pay means less in savings or spending, so far. But I do get to see how hard it is to make ends meet as I have to pay this, pay that, and pay the other just to be able to start-up yet another day. Last thing my Business needs is Politicos eyeballing it as a Piggybank for some new Social Engineering.

If Government would cut the cost of doing Business, then it would be easier for me to hire help, at lest during Spring, Summer and Fall when Business goes way up in the North Georgia Mountains.

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Anna Molly (: — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:33:48 GMT

By now someone else has probably blogged this, but CNN is reporting that Senator Clinton and Senator Edwards met privately in Senator Edwards’ green room after last night’s debate.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

“One of the sources said the meeting happened by chance and the conversation consisted of light chatter. The source added that Clinton did jokingly take a jab at Edwards about his beating up on her during the debate. In fact, the real fireworks were between Clinton and Barack Obama. An Edwards source noted that it was not surprising the two senators met backstage. ‘That happens back there,’ said the source, who said it has happened ‘more often’ with Obama. ‘It’s tight quarters – we’re all on top of each other.’ The question is — with only two weeks before Super Tuesday — what else was discussed?”

What else? My guess is that Mrs. Clinton was just looking for a recommendation for a good dry cleaner. What’s your guess?

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disgusted again — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:45:23 GMT

Newshole, what the heck is going on with this blog? Update it or just get rid of it, this is horrible and insulting.

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David Molinero — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:07:41 GMT

I get the feeling when I listen to Clinton and Edwards, that they would turn the Democratic Party into a National Socialist Worker's Party.

They both see the Government as the Means to solve every Social Problem with the Private Sector as their Bottomless Piggy bank to pay for every program they could dream of.

Which is why I hope that Obama wins the Nomination. As President, I don't think he would be as fast at picking my pocket, and just might even leave a few dollars behind when he's done.

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Anna Molly (: — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:09:03 GMT

Hey Laura from LA --

Since you seem to like animals as much as I do, I thought you might enjoy this article on how they play political games --

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/science/22angi.html?8dpc

“Just as there are myriad strategies open to the human political animal with White House ambitions, so there are a number of nonhuman animals that behave like textbook politicians. Researchers who study highly gregarious and relatively brainy species like rhesus monkeys, baboons, dolphins, sperm whales, elephants and wolves have lately uncovered evidence that the creatures engage in extraordinarily sophisticated forms of politicking, often across large and far-flung social networks…. Wherever animals must pool their talents and numbers into cohesive social groups, scientists said, the better to protect against predators, defend or enlarge choice real estate or acquire mates, the stage will be set for the appearance of political skills — the ability to please and placate, manipulate and intimidate, trade favors and scratch backs or, better yet, pluck those backs free of botflies and ticks.”

Please and placate, manipulate and intimidate, trade favors and scratch backs ….? From what we’ve been seeing recently, this doesn’t seem that much different from the way humans do it. Enjoy!

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Chris Carter, Falmouth, Maine — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:36:02 GMT

Have been a Democrat and feminist since 68. I wonder what Hillary would say if she had to answer directly whether or not she was a feminist?
I was okay with her until she brought Bill in. The campaign was clean until then. To my horror, I realize they are Karl Roving Obama. His strenghth was a new kind of campaigning, so they twisted words and made things up until he had to go on defense and we got the shameful spectacle of last night. Maybe he should just let her attack him, give her a puzzled look, and then talk about the issues. It is so unfair to use your ex-president husband as your hatchet man. How is that a woman standing on her own? What in the world would his role be in her administration?
My relatives in the Republican South like Obama! If Hillary wins the nomination, Republicans do not want to vote for her. On the other hand, people like McCain. We can lose this!
I am distressed to find myself ready to re-register as a Green Independent after 40 years as an active, committed Democrat. I do not like this!

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Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:36:38 GMT

Hello? Anybody home?? So, Senator Thompson is "out" of the presidential race. Um...was he ever "in" it?

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Chris F., Just o'er the border in Williconsinois — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:37:00 GMT

Breaking news! (crunch, crunch, crackle, crackle) Fred Thompson is removing himself from the presidential race.

Gee. Wonder if that gig on Law 'n Order is still available, now that movies made out of Tom Clancy novels have become unfashionable.

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Laura in Los Angeles — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:38:31 GMT

I tuned into the debate for a little while. I find a need a much needed rest from all the political stuff. the part I tuned it to, unfortunately, was when Hillary and Barack were going at it. I didn't feel like listening to the Bickersons, so I tuned out after a little bit, but I did feel sorry for Edwards. He probably felt like that lamp post just waiting to get a word in.

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Laura in Los Angeles — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:44:12 GMT

I'm very glad to see the "big boy" seal, made it back into the ocean.

The only way I'd buy that Bush film, if I really wanted to see it, would be out of the trunk of some bootlegger for $5 bucks. I may not really want to see it.

Glad Coultergeist, Dick Morris and Bolton made it as WPitW..they so richly deserve it.

So when will Rudy finally throw in the towel..he's done.

and..congrats Keith for making that very spot on prediction.

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Anna Molly (: — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:52:19 GMT

Pat, Boston, MA (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:29 AM)

Congratulatins, Pat. By the way, is there any truth to the rumor that Tom Brady was seen walking around in a foot cast? What’s that all about?

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Lunker freezin' 'em both off WI. — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:55:09 GMT

Hello to all,
I've been away for a few days and gotten way behind on what's been happening blogwise. I don't have cable and only receive PBS, ABC, CBS, and NBC, So I pretty much have to depend on PBS and my computer for anything close to the truth about what's happening in the world beyond my own little isolated sancuary.
Anyway while I was listening to the Packer game on the radio (my begrudging congratulations and good luck to you N.Y. fans),I was flipping through my limited t.v. channels and came across a pretty decent C.B.S. special on global warming. I know some of you are going to call it sour grapes over the Packer loss and perhaps it is to some degree. Be that as it may, It got me to wondering how many gallons of fuel are consumed and how many tons of hydrocarbons and greenhouse gases are emitted each week in this country for the sake of such distractions. It has to be absolutely staggering. I mean we have all these sports at high school ,college, and professional levels. to say nothing of all of the motorized competition. NASCAR, Formula One ,etc. etc. etc.
(got a feeling I'm not making any friends with the rednecks here) Some of you people who are into statistics and good with numbers (big numbers) should probably do a little cipherin' here. I'm not saying all these things should be totally eliminated, but it appears to me that some cutbacks and concessions might not be a real bad idea. One would think that a choice between our entertainment and our life support system would be a "no-brainer" unfortunately
"no-brainers" are one of the few things we're in no danger of running short of if the results of the 2004 election are to be believed.

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Bill Rochester NY — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:57:27 GMT

I think a little levity is order here especially among the Obama and Clinton supporters here.
Remember just be thankful we're not Repugnicans.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/6/25723/26527/751/431492
Enjoy it everyone!

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gaviidae — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:03:27 GMT

crotalus (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:27 AM)

Loons don't drive and aren't allowed in the mall.

:)

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Bill Rochester NY — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:05:08 GMT

Pam Bignardi this is for you.
Obama vs. Clinton Part II
Bill Clinton is throwing away his dignity in being Hillary's attack dog. Personally I think wants her to be President more than she does.
Obama is responding to some baseless allegations made by former President Clinton.
I have stated before that if Hillary is the Dem's nominee; I'll vote third party.
In this election there are only two certainties.
First: New York State is going to vote Democratic no matter who the nominees are in either party. I would wager that the percentages will be in the 65%-35% range or higher for the Dems.
Second: Whoever wins the election is going to inherit one hell of a mess next January.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:05:58 GMT

see through, anywhere (11:07 AM Post):

I will respond to you this one time to say why don't you use your real name that you have been blogging with in here for some time if you wish to discuss, disagree, or debate the candidates or an issue. I don't respond to those who hide behind false or secondary names. Thanks

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Kevin of NJ — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:06:34 GMT

Fred Thompson has decided to bow out of the race. My opinion on him is that he is an honorable man, but didn't really catch on with the MSM. He was the "republican establishment"s candidate, but his mannerisms and aw shucks approach isn't what America wants.

News flash......Clinton and Obama are still sniping back and forth. Boy, they are really risking losing credibility with the American people. The GOP has to be sitting back and really enjoying this one.

So now the GOP is down to Romney, McCain, Huckabee, and Guiliani. Guiliani is fading like a old lampshade. If he does not win Florida, he needs to call it quits. I am concerned that if GOP nominee is McCain, the age thing is going to harm him just like it did Bob Dole. He will have to pick a youthful vibrant VP running mate to counter those attacks.

Ralph Nader will let us know in a month whether he is running for president. Just like Bloomberg, I am not holding my breath. Oh the egos!!

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Bill Rochester NY — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:07:10 GMT

To friends and foes alike: How about those Giants?
Whoo-Hoo! Don't count them out yet! That's why they play the game! GO JINTS!!

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wrightwing — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:10:23 GMT

"Huckabee has also been endorsed by a number of black religious leaders but the MSM refers to them as conservative black leaders, not evangelicals. Does the MSM fear referring to them as black evangelicals because the MSM wants us to assume that evangelicals are a white, monolithic group to be feared and it threatens their template? If so, is this not a racist attitude let alone an attitude which exposes a bias against those the MSM labels as evangelicals?"

Steven Rennie, Fillmore, NY (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:52 AM)

The short answer may be that MSM doesn't know -- or doesn't want to know -- the difference. There are too many flavors of "conservative christian" religion to put out there in a 30-second sound bite so they don't even try.

Life is so much easier for the talking heads when the any population can be lumped together, i.e. southerners are all conservative, yanks are all liberals, African-Americans are all..., Hispanics are all..., Californians are all..., women are all...

FWIW, it's a matter of convenience rather than racism.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:11:50 GMT

Pam:

Because I criticize Hillary and disgree with her positons and express a lack of trust in her campaign I am slandering her. Yet when you criticize, disagree or express a lack of trust with another candidate whoever that may be it is ok.

Let me have my say on whoever I wish just as I let you have your say without telling you that you are slandering someone (which I have not done). Because someone does not agree with you or who does not support Hillary you claim she is being slandered. That is ridiculous and you know it. Like I stated sometime ago, you need to lighten up. There are many people in here who have criticized Hillary over and over again, and some who have come out and actually used the terms dirty politician and a liar concerning Hillary which I have not used.

SO GET OFF MY BACK PLEASE.

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Lunker thawing out a bit WI. — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:11:50 GMT

Pam B. 12:14 A.M.
Right on about Jimmy Carter. the man left more integrity in the commode every day than you could find in the whole damn bush regime. If it hadn't been for that sandstorm downing those choppers during the hostage rescue attempt he'd probably still be in office and we'd all be a lot better off.

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Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:16:58 GMT

It sounds like I didn't miss much by sticking with COUNTDOWN as opposed to the "debate." I've seen nearly all the debates, anyway, and, if last night's tone is an indicator of coming attractions, I better crank out more Wiggum-Muntz '08 signs.

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Max, Atlanta — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:20:48 GMT

Suzanne of Texas, have you forgotten about the 700 FBI files the Clintons illegally had to dig up dirt on the Republicans???? I hope it was a slip. and not that your are ignoring it. The Clintons are slime, but we Republicans are rooting for her!!

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Pat, Boston, MA — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:23:14 GMT

Anna, yes - Tom Brady had a foot cast on yesterday. Last night he was in cowboy boots. In New York.

It's hard getting any real information on this team. They stay so close together as a team, not leaking out anything, unless it's intentional.

We're not panicking. Not yet anyway!

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:24:13 GMT

Steve Rennie (11:52 AM Post):

A good point Steve. Note how in addition to how Obama is reaching for support from the Dems he is also reaching for support from independents, republicans and last night mentioned even bringing under the fold those from the religious right. His comment that if they are ignored and not approached in a manner that may win them over or at least to gain compromise from them they will set their own agenda for this country and remain a strong force within the fabric of this country that is in opposition to what the Dems are trying to achieve. Obama is reaching out to all people and this should be appreciated as well as supported as a new beginning for this country wehther he is the elected candidate or not.

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Laura in Los Angeles — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:24:38 GMT

Anna Molly (: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:09 PM..Please and placate, manipulate and intimidate, trade favors and scratch backs....? From what we've been seeing recently, this doesn't seem that much different from the way humans do it. Enjoy!

I did, thanks so much for this wonderful article. I love the part about the elephants "They're constantly making decisions, debating among themselves, about food, water and security. You see it in the field. You can hear them vocally disagree. Typically, the matriarch has the final say, and the others abide to her decision. If a faction disagrees strongly enough and wants to try a different approach, "the group will split up and meet back again later". That's smart. Sort of like the union bargaining table...and who says animals are dumb..I never thought they were.

Thanks again.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:25:16 GMT

What else? My guess is that Mrs. Clinton was just looking for a recommendation for a good dry cleaner. What’s your guess?
Anna Molly (: (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:33 PM)

LOL!! I was wondering what they were discussing too; it did seem Edwards was a bit too chummy during the debate with her last night; now it all makes sense!!

PEACE!!

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:28:18 GMT

Bill Rochester NY (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:05 PM

I can accept this Bill and thank you!! I am also considering voting third Party; I am also voting for Dennis Kucinich in the my Primary in California; I changed my mind last week and went with my heart and I'm glad!!

I resent the constant bashing of Hillary Clinton that has gone on since she won New Hampshire; it's unfair; I agree a dem will win NY just as a dem will win California; that's why I'm going with Kucinich also in my primary here in California!!

PEACE BILL; THANK YOU!!

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gb — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:30:05 GMT

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080122/ap_on_el_pr/thompson

Well, our latest native son has dropped out. The Tennessee Waltz turned out not to be Fred Thompson's dance after all. Although I don't know of anyone except my redneck brother and Zach Wamp who seriously thought Fred could take it all the way. It takes more energy than he's got.

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Laura..it's not a typical, warm sunny day..in Los Angeles — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:33:04 GMT

Krista 3:16 PM..I'm with you girl. Let's both put those signs up..

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Mo Hammond Cairo IL — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:35:51 GMT

"Cute and quaint and cuddly seem a little like my territory.... But, however you feel about the Clintons, you have to agree that Bill Clinton’s presence weighs more heavily than Elizabeth Edwards’ presence, sympathy notwithstanding, and certainly more than Michelle Obama’s, attractive and articulate as she surely is....

... And what if, as I blogged last week, Michael Bloomberg decides to enter the 2008 election as a third-party candidate? If he does, he’s likely to bring at least a billion dollars to the table. Whichever way that money rolls, it’s going to tilt the table...."

Your quaint, cute and cuddly opinions are welcome so far as I'm concerned, Annie, so long as you don't kick.

The point I was trying to make is that Bill C is not some new species on the taxonomic charts, and that's a legitimate starting place for figuring out what he's up to. Yes, he does carry far more weight than the rest of the presidential spouses, and he is indeed stepping in to unknown territory, just as Hillary did all those years ago. For people clamoring for "change" as promised by Obama to be clamoring in the next moment at the "unfairness" of Bill living and demonstrating change is disingenuous, at the least. Obama, while promising change, is running a conventional campaign and keeping the little woman by his side. Where's the change? Politicians have promised "change" when things are bad and "stay the course" when things are good since the Greek era.

Gazillionaires such as Bloomberg playing coy and tossing a lot of late money in can discombobulate an election but they've come and gone before and will again. What's "fair" have to do with it? I in all seriousness cannot think of a billionaire who's actually won a national election via a third-party candidacy. Third party mavericks are a part of the landscape and, short of some constitutional jiggering, there's nothing to be done about them.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:38:37 GMT

HM (11:59 AM Post):

I agree that Obama was starting to look just a bit of a whiner at the end of that madness between him and Hillary. But he had his say and now needs to move on and stay away from such complaints unless responding to a specific charge about his past history or record (but is that not what he was doing?).

In any case Obama needs to move forward, ignore Bill Clinton if he can friom here on out.

It is interesting how of the three candidates two acted very childish and were embarssing with their personal attacks against one another....nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Obama was childish and embarssing. One might expect that from Obama to a degree based on Hillary's claim he is a young and inexperienced politician. I wonder what her excuse is however after claiming 35 years of experience in this game. You would think therefore that she would be capable of acting more mature and responsible. I did not see it did you?

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Crotalus — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:40:42 GMT

"Loons don't drive and aren't allowed in the mall.

:)

gaviidae (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:03 PM)"

Do they run for office?

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JS, NC — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:45:07 GMT

Keith, I'm counting on you to be the last journalist standing.

Everyone is calling this a slug fest, a battle royale, whatever.

Anyone paying attention to reality knows it's a hatchet job.

Obama's words and record have been spun and distorted by a former President. They have him in a box. Either he fights back and "sinks to their level" or he stays above the fray and "can't hold his own".

Watch the tape. Watch how Senator Clinton's claims change, until eventually she's reduced to saying: the truth! And tries desperately to spin it like it's bad.

Obama should not have brought up the corporate lobbying for WalMart.

But he said, repeatedly, he did not want to be in this fight. She has said she considers this "the fun part".

You can tell an honest narrative which favors one candidate without taking sides. One candidate happens to have truth on his side in his particular instance.

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gb — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:48:09 GMT

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Moderator Wolf Blitzer's take on last night's free-for-all. He expresses a pious hope that "the people watching Monday night came away from this debate in South Carolina with a better understanding where the candidates stand on key issues."

Who mentioned key issues, pray tell? Did those get a little coverage after they stopped slinging mud about Clinton shilling for Wal-Mart and Obama covering for a slumlord?

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Full Moon — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:49:11 GMT

I saw a bit of Hannity & Colmes last night, just enough to see a clip of Bill Clinton sleeping, well, at least nodding, while he sat RIGHT BEHIND a speaker at a Martin Luther King celebration.

Some advice: With all the darts being thrown at Bill by both Republicans and Democrats, including the best reason for term limits, Ted Kennedy, someone's got to make sure this ex prez at least stays awake during MLK day.

We've all nodded in church or at long-winded speeches that may have been boring but come on Bill, this is important stuff. You've got to try a little harder.

I'm not a William Jefferson Clinton supporter and I loath the day when the post office wants to put his face on a stamp 5 years after his death, to much opposition I'm sure, but it will probably happen.

Obama won't get my vote but I can see Dems leaning his way because Bill is either losing his cool and now nodding in public. He just doesn't seeem to have a clue. Not a positive for Hillary but we all know she's overcome worse with Slick Willie.

While an overload of Dems still "love" Bill Clinton, someone needs to sit this guy down so he can quit embarrassing his wife, who has an overwhelming fight on her hands with Obama but I believe she'll eventually get the nomination.

So tell Bill to chill. I still think it was a co-presidency the last time the Clintons were in. As Bill slips into his 60's, I'd feel real bad for Hillary if he didn't behave, in any way, shape or form ... this time around.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:50:44 GMT

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:52:31 GMT

Do they run for office?
Crotalus (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:40 PM)

LOL!! Thank you!!

PEACE!!

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:02:24 GMT

Anna Molly (1:25 PM Post):

I don't mind you speaking for me at all. Well, let's just say if you make a statement that I feel this way or that way about something without really knowing for sure what I feel, and you're wrong, like some people in here attempting to do, then I'll call you on it. Fair? Otherwise, speak for me all you want. And you are right, it is all a matter of perception. Just be careful that your personal perceptions and opinions are in line with others. Otherwise you just may be called on it.

Thank goodness there are no real die-hard Republican candidate backers in here based on their personal opinions and beliefs and perceptions. They would be criticzing Hillary and Obama and Edwards while supporting the republican candidate of their choice. God forbid they might even sound like they were slandering these folks. Of course then some of our members in here would have to do their best to slice and dice them from one ear to the other. Sometimes the tolerance I see in here regarding other people's differeing beliefs and opinions just makes me want to cry with joy, smile.

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far left gaviidae — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:04:15 GMT

Do they run for office?
Crotalus (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:40 PM)

Yes, but loons don't walk very well so are often obliged to drop out of races early. We are much better at identifying and laughing at right-wing idiocies. Our voices have been known to scare the bejeebers out of the unwary.

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Anna Molly (: — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:05:17 GMT

C A, Tuscaloosa, AL (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:57 AM)

Different results using different criteria? Of course. Even you and I might not agree on either the criteria or the rankings. I think almost everyone would rate Lincoln number 1, but maybe only because the challenge was so great. And I personally wouldn’t rate Reagan as highly as many of the scholars or public opinion polls do. I liked what you (?) said about his creating a certain feeling (Morning in America, for lack of a better description), while leading us down the entirely wrong path. Even today, most people don’t understand that difference. Someone else said that anyone could have been mayor of New York on September 11. Same for George Bush. From what we’ve seen since, I shudder to think how the Civil War comes out under him. We’d still be fighting it today, I’m afraid. I’d love to send him back in time, but not to Valley Forge, and not to the Civil War. On the other hand, I am fairly confident that other presidents like Lincoln, Washington, FDR, and others, would have judged and acted rightly. Those are the ones I consider truly great.

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Full Moon — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:07:03 GMT

While the Clintons and Obama tangle as the world watches, Huckabee's freedom fighter and TV star Chuck Norris throws the WORST slam at an opposing Republican, saying "you're too old to run." Norris basically said he'd back McCain if he wasn't so damn old, and hinted that McCain could die before his four years as prez was even up.

Here's a dose of reality. Any one of us, including Chucky himself, could die any time before the election.

Reminds me of that country song written by Bobby Bare and sung by the Old Dogs (Kristofferson, Bare, Jennings and Tillis). "You may live to be 106 but you're still gonna die."

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Pat, Boston, MA — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:09:04 GMT

One Sunday at St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Richmond, a well-dressed, lone black man, whom no one in the community—white or black—had ever seen before, had attended the service, sitting unnoticed in the last pew.

Just before communion was to be distributed, he rose and proudly walked down the center aisle through the middle of the church where all could see him and approached the communion rail, where he knelt. The priest and the congregation were completely aghast and in total shock.

No one knew what to do except for one man. He went to the communion rail and knelt beside the black man and they received communion together—and then a steady flow of other church members followed the example he had set.

After the service was over, the black man was never to be seen in Richmond again. It was as if he had been sent down from a higher place purposefully for that particular occasion.

The man who went up to the alter to kneel beside the black man? Robert E. Lee.

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Anna Molly (: — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:17:42 GMT

What's "fair" have to do with it? I in all seriousness cannot think of a billionaire who's actually won a national election via a third-party candidacy. Third party mavericks are a part of the landscape and, short of some constitutional jiggering, there's nothing to be done about them. Mo Hammond Cairo IL (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:35 PM)

Well, true, if you really think that all is “fair” in love, war, and politics. But I’m not worried about his winning it. I’m worried about his skewing it, which is essentially the same argument that some people are making about Bill Clinton. Even some democrats still resent Ralph Nader’s part in the 2000 election, and he was no billionaire. Ross Perot’s candidacy might have been deemed ineffectual, but that probably depends on people think he what he was trying to accomplish. A guy with Bloomberg’s money driving the right wedge could do a lot of damage. And seriously (I’m only frivolous about 75 percent of the time), I do think the money issue has to be addressed, if only because, as a lot of people here have observed, a more level playing field in this year’s election might have yielded a much different pool of candidates than the one we have now.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:19:06 GMT

Mo (3:35 PM Post):

Well there is good change and bad change Mo. And to date what Bill is doing in this campaign has proven to be bad change in most people's eyes. And I am sorry but as far as Bill's past positions as well as current positions (Hillary states he supports her as a senior Dem and as a Leader of the Dem party) and as her husband, you bet he is a new species in this realm. Name me one other past-Presdeient who was in the same spot with the same influence as Bill is now with Hillary. And you say he is not a new species? If what Bill is doing is ok (as a Senior Dem and a Dem Leader according to his role as defined by Hillary ) then would it also be approriate and a good change for the Chairman of the Dem Party to come out at this time and throw his support behind a single candidate? I don't think so. That would not be a good change as well.

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Anna Molly (: — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:20:35 GMT

Kim P. Denver, Co. (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:57 AM)

Exactly. Like Chris Mathews and Joe Scarborough asking Mitt Romney if he could make it all the way to the convention, even though he was the front-runner and had all these medals. What was the message there? You can’t win, Governor Mitt (or alternatively, we deem you unworthy of winning).

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:23:15 GMT

gb - With Thompson gone, I see his support going to Huckabee; I don't think McCain will be the nominee at all!! I also would LOVE to have Huckabee as the nominee; any democrat could beat him; after what will have been eight years of a "Theocratic Rule," I think America has had enough!! Hey, maybe my guy Dennis Kucinich has a chance after all!!

Huckabee must be one happy guy today!! He would have handily won SC with Thompson out of the way --very scary!!

PEACE!!

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Anna Molly (: — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:25:24 GMT

Hello? Anybody home?? So, Senator Thompson is "out" of the presidential race. Um...was he ever "in" it?
Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:36 PM)

Hi Krista -- Sure, he was. He did his job in South Carolina by distracting Governor Huckabee’s voters, and he’ll continue doing it, but in a different capacity. Watch and see if he doesn’t eventually show up on the stump for John McCain, even though he hasn’t officially thrown his delegates that way yet.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:31:52 GMT

Full Moon (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:49 PM)

Senator Ted Kennedy supposedly had a little chat with Bill Clinton --I do hope he calms down; while he is indeed in a difficult position, and I can certainly understand why at times he has become upset, i.e. being labeled a racist, I think as a former president he should be calmer; however, I also believe it's a difficult balancing act!!

PEACE!!

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Anna Molly (: always loves the journey and #4 -- good luck Giants and Pats — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:34:18 GMT

To friends and foes alike: How about those Giants?
Whoo-Hoo! Don't count them out yet! That's why they play the game! GO JINTS!! Bill Rochester NY (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:07 PM)

Congratulations, Bill. Gloat all you want. I would if I were you. The “Jints” won that game fair and square. Eli Manning played exceptionally well. No sour grapes here. Good luck in the Super Bowl.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:38:10 GMT

Here's where Obama blew it last night when debating national security and the Iraq war. Hillary continues to claim she is the only one ready to step in beginning day one to manage properly the national security of this country. She admitted in last night's debate that Obama was against the war and did not vote to enter into the war but criticized him on voting to later fund the war. Obama should have replied yes, after it was too late to stay out of Iraq and our troops were there I voted to fund the troops so they would have the proper equipment and material to protect themselves as did you. But you on the other hand voted to give GWB approval to invade Iraq in the first place which has resulted in the deaths and serious injury of thousands of American troops some of which were here from SC, Florida, New York, California and other parts of the country.

If the candidates are going to use advantages of position and are going to get down and gritty, it is time that Hillary be held accountable for her vote to invade Iraq. And if she is so much more intelligent and experienced to manage this country's national security from day one, then what is her excuse for voting for the very biggest mistake in this country's history regarding war, national security and the senseless loss of Amercian lives. Obama might have added that his 100 + "present votes" as a State Senator in no way compares in poor judgement or infamy then Hillary's 1 vote in the US Senate to approve the invasion of Iraq.

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scott henderson nv — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:38:38 GMT

Lets take a look at Carter’s “accomplishments” while in office:

1. Let the shah of Iran be overthrown resulting in an Islamic theocracy.
2. Let Iran hold 66 United States Citizens hostage for 444 days.
3. Stagnant economic growth and high inflation.
4. Gave away the Panama Canal.
5. Significantly diluted the GI bill.
6. Very low moral within the military.
7. Presided over the first energy “crisis”.
8. High Unemployment.
9. Gave the leftist Danial Ortega $ 118 M.
10. Boycotted the Summer Olympics.
11. Failed rescue mission resulting in the deaths of 8 men and 8 aircraft.
12. Let his brother Billy go to the terrorist sponsor Libya to establish a trade agreement. Billy received a $220,000 “loan” from the Libyan government.
13. Carter never met a dictator he didn’t like, and was used like a pawn by all of them.
14. Soviets entered Afghanistan during his term.

Yea, one heck of a president – probably the worst in history.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:44:28 GMT

Who mentioned key issues, pray tell? Did those get a little coverage after they stopped slinging mud about Clinton shilling for Wal-Mart and Obama covering for a slumlord?
gb (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:48 PM)

It was truly a disgrace!! The more clips I see today on TV since I'm home, the more disgusted I get --both Clinton and Obama should be ashamed of themselves; I am!!

PEACE!!

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THANK YOU — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:44:48 GMT

UPDATE PLEASE

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Anna Molly (: — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:52:52 GMT

"Loons don't drive and aren't allowed in the mall.
gaviidae (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:03 PM)"
Do they run for office? Crotalus (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:40 PM)

Invariably, but if caramel is for chameleons and cream is for cockroaches, what sort of sauce do you serve with that?

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thank you — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:00:12 GMT

Newshole, your moderation is horrible, please update the blog. What's wrong today?

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:01:28 GMT

How sad!! Heath Ledger found dead in his apartment in New York; wow and only 28 years old. My prayers go out to his wife and two-year-old little boy!!

PEACE!!

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Kevin, Lincoln, NE — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:06:00 GMT

I'll be perfectly honest, I'm pretty young and new to the whole political scene. I don't really have much experience or opinion about certain topics, mainly because I've never had experience with them or they simply don't affect me in any real way. However, something has recently become the subject of controversy that I *DO* know a lot about, so I felt I should bring it up.

You'll forgive me for going slightly off-topic, but I bring this up for several reasons:

1.) It's a very real issue that should be discussed considering how widespread the products in question are...

2.) Hillary Clinton has, in the past, taken the stance to censure and quash the creativity in this medium, and...

3.) Faux/Fox Noise/News hosted a debate in which 100% false statements and opinions were stated as fact, and when the the only person at the debate who *knew* what he was talking about asked his opponents if they had ever seen the subject in question, they LAUGHED at him.

So, for your amusement, I give you the latest batch of Fox-fuelled lies (I would link to the Fox story if I could find it, but this is more concise, and it has video clips of both the 'debate' and the 'objectionable material' in question so you can judge for yourself.):

http://blogs.pcworld.com/gameon/archives/006339.html

It's clear that Fox used the unlamented blogger Kevin McCullough as their 'source' for this debate. For those of you who don't know, Kevin McCullough is a conservative blogger on the web who first started spewing this nonsense. He also was BURIED by the fan community when he posted his lies on his blog. Within a week, the website host had swept his libel under the rug and called it a day.

Anyways, to the point. Right now I'm fairly undecided as to who I'm going to vote for. But I can tell you one thing: If a candidate for this presidential election (or any election that I can vote in) decides to start a witch-hunt or some sort of crusade against video game entertainment, I *will* vote against them. (Especially if it's as inaccurate and misinformed as the above-mentioned link.) I'm not alone, either, and there's a lot more voting-age gamers than anyone's willing to admit.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:09:31 GMT

JS, NC (3:45 PM Post):

How right you are JC. From McClatchey "Truth To Power".

Throw the flag against: Hillary and Bill Clinton. Call: Unnecessary roughness.

What happened: The Clintons say that Barack Obama praised Ronald Reagan recently and lauded Republican ideas.

"He said President Reagan was the engine of innovation and did more, had a more lasting impact on America than I did. And then the next day he said, 'In the '90s, the good ideas came out from the Republicans,' " Bill Clinton said in Nevada.

"It certainly came across . . . as though the Republicans had been standing up against the conventional wisdom with their ideas," Hillary Clinton said Monday in a South Carolina debate.

Why that's out of bounds: First, she denied in the debate Monday that she'd spoken about Reagan. But her husband had. Acting as if he's some low-level staffer or distant surrogate is disingenuous. Second, the Clintons greatly distort what Obama said during a Nevada newspaper interview. He said Reagan had changed the trajectory of American politics. That's beyond dispute. Obama did say that Republicans were the party of ideas for several years, but he also said they'd played themselves out and that their ideas didn't work. The Clintons ignored that part.

Penalty: 15 yards for knocking down Obama's words.

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or get rid of it if you can't do it right. fed up — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:28:30 GMT

update the darn blog.

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Paulette, Simsbury, CT — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:29:05 GMT

I think people have to look hard, Chris Matthews having to apologize, Oprah getting disgusting blogs and Bill & Hill mowing through -- we are setting ourselves up for another dynasty voting for Hillary -- she was soooooo inflexible on the Healthcare it will be done her & Bill's way or not at all -- Pundits and Press need to start reporting instead of kissing up to the Clintons or we are right back where we started from. Write and report now or you will hold your tongues for the next five years -- it is just unbelieveable what we can all start to see.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:54:42 GMT

Wow, moderation has been really poor today; then again, maybe the moderators are disgusted with Clinton and Obama's tantrums last night too!!

PEACE!!

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Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:24:36 GMT

C A and Pam, I value both of your contributions here so much and have ever since I found this "rag tag" bunch this past spring. At the risk of sounding like a nagging mother hen, do not let your disagreement over Senator Clinton take away from the respect you have for each other and the obvious passion and concern you have for the current state of our nation and the hard road to come whenever the next President takes office a year from now. You are both too valuable here and too smart for that. Here endeth the lecture.

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neal lancaster ca — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:27:14 GMT

Hillary Continually bring up her experience......why is that she an bill have sealed her records of what her role was as first lady the voters have a right to know....last thursday karl rove brought that to an RNC campaign meeting in washington dc I caught that on CSPAN......and why isnt that an issue it should be after the last 8 yrs....of lies

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Bill V, MD — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:29:47 GMT

Did anybody check out that footage of Bill clinton sleeping during a MLK rally. I guess he "Had a Dream" too

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Anna Molly (: — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:36:56 GMT

far left gaviidae (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:04 PM)

Where I come from, we know there's nothing like the call of the loon on a dark summer night. Nothing at all. Always makes more sense than most republicans I know, although maybe just as chilling, in its own way.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:51:09 GMT

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 6:24 PM)

Thank you very much Krista; I feel the same way about you!! I made a decision this morning that my friendship with C A was much more important than discussing Senator Clinton --what I say or feel is my opinion --C A's are his and I respect his. I have tried my best to be fair and I know in my heart I was!!

Also, as already stated that I will not vote for either Clinton OR Obama in the California Primary --I will vote for Dennis Kucinich --the only honest candidate in my opinion --and the only candidate who voted against authorization for the Iraq war; ALL funding for the Iraq war; against the Patriot Act and against its reauthorization!!

Dennis Kucinich is the champion of my ideals; he will get my vote!! Come Election Day, it will probably be a write in!! After last night, BOTH Clinton and Obama's behavior was embarrassing also!!

PEACE MY DEAR FRIEND!! AGAIN, THANK YOU!!

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:54:20 GMT

neal lancaster ca (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 6:27 PM)

Don't know Neal; perhaps Bill Clinton's waiting for George W. Bush to release his father's papers!!

Bill V, MD (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 6:29 PM)

Missed that footage Bill; I was at Church honoring the late Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. --it was wonderful; we had a candle lighting ceremony and mass --perhaps you should try that next year. Good day sir!!

PEACE!!

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crotalus — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:58:47 GMT

"Invariably, but if caramel is for chameleons and cream is for cockroaches, what sort of sauce do you serve with that?" Anna Molly (: (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:52 PM)

Probably best to ask the Loon, but I surmise that they prefer prunes. With a spoon.

What did you expect from a rattlesnake?

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Anna Molly (: — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:09:00 GMT

Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:01 PM)

I second your comments about Heath Ledger, and thank you for posting them. I’ll always remember him best from Ten Things I Hate About You, which is, of course, based on The Taming of the Shrew. A great movie -- very clever, and he plays his role with great sensitivity. I think he also played Mel Gibson’s son in the Patriot. Drug-related deaths are tragic, for sure, and really tragic where someone with such talent is silenced. He will be missed.

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Mo Hammond — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:10:24 GMT

"A guy with Bloomberg’s money driving the right wedge could do a lot of damage. And seriously (I’m only frivolous about 75 percent of the time), I do think the money issue has to be addressed, if only because, as a lot of people here have observed, a more level playing field in this year’s election might have yielded a much different pool of candidates than the one we have now."

Anna Molly (: (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:17 PM)

I agree, the influence of big money and the breakdown of the old-fashioned election wards and bloc votes has skewered the system. Alas, the last attempt to limit campaign financing gave us the swift-boat veterans and lots of other wingnuts with a deep pocket behind them and no responsibility to anyone. Another fine example of the law of unintended consequences.

I personally hope voters can again be organized to counter the big money, otherwise campaign spending (and the favors it engenders) will continue to spiral out of control. Alternate Plan B in my personal universe would be for big spending to prove uneconomical and market forces will take care of the rest.

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Anna Molly (: — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:28:03 GMT

What did you expect from a rattlesnake? crotalus (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 6:58 PM)

Whatever it was, let’s just say I wasn’t surprised. Sheesh.

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Roland Madore, Fort Collins, CO — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:29:11 GMT

The Clinton spin doctors and surrogates keep making the claim that millions of Americans respect Bill Clinton. Not I! As a lifelong Democrat, I lost respect for the liar during the Monica Lewinsky sexcapade in the Peoples' House. Talk about experience? And certainly, there was poor judgment on our former President's part to say the least.

Younger Americans need to know all about this too. As this retired teacher recalls, it was President Bill Clinton who also abandoned the most vulnerable among us: welfare mothers and their children, gays and lesbians, and those earning the lowest incomes who were never ever lifted up by the dot com bubble. He sold out our manufacturing base with Nafta and assisted China in many ways--including militarily that haven't surfaced yet--long before George Bush did. And because Hillary blew the health care initiative so pathetically, millions of Americans still suffer without access to afforadable health care. In fact, her biggest accomplishment in her political career was in 1994 when she single-handedly gave both houses of Congress to the Republicans. Then also consider that Bill Clinton never even asked Congress to ratify the Kyoto Treaty on climate change. In Africa as I recall--contrary to how Hillary remembers it--we stood by and did NOTHING while genocide occurred in Rwanda. And what about Haiti and Somalia?

Hillary Clinton chided Barack Obama recently for stating Reagan led a movement, unlike her husband; yet it was Alan Greenspan who referred to Bill Clinton as "one of our best Republican Presidents". Mark my words, this #1 whiner will be called to task soon on all the lies he spreads about Barack Obama! And so let Hillary continue to "stand by her man" still as he rants and raves and tears down the Democratic Party further. Go stand in the corner, Bill...shame on you!

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Anna Molly (: — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:35:54 GMT

Alternate Plan B in my personal universe would be for big spending to prove uneconomical and market forces will take care of the rest. Mo Hammond (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:10 PM)

You’re absolutely right, Mo. Unfortunately, since the US Supreme Court ruled that money equals speech, people have believed it. Governor Huckabee may be the exception that proves the rule, but the he’s still on the exception. Too bad, really.

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Mo Hammond — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:42:04 GMT

"Well there is good change and bad change Mo. And to date what Bill is doing in this campaign has proven to be bad change in most people's eyes.... If what Bill is doing is ok (as a Senior Dem and a Dem Leader according to his role as defined by Hillary ) then would it also be approriate and a good change for the Chairman of the Dem Party to come out at this time and throw his support behind a single candidate? I don't think so. That would not be a good change as well."
C A, Tuscaloosa, AL (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:19 PM)

You have too many value judgments and personal preferences in play to make a coherent argument, C.

Bill's behavior has yet to "prove" anything except that he can bring truckloads of free publicity, and probably money, into the Clinton campaign. "Proof" will come when the last vote is counted in November (if Hill doesn’t wash out in the primaries.) .

It will be fine for the party if dems wins by a landslide and carry both houses and half-a-dozen governors’ races in the fall. It will not be fine if the dems get a serious thumping because, as an Anomaly said a few days back, the election is the dem's to lose.

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Fact Check — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:45:04 GMT

CHICAGO (AP) — "Real estate developer and fast-food magnate Antoin "Tony" Rezko spent years pouring thousands of dollars in campaign contributions into Barack Obama's climb from the Illinois legislature to Capitol Hill — and helped him raise tens of thousands more.

But these days Rezko is snared in a nasty political scandal and facing a federal corruption trial that begins next month. Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton invoked his name and his "slum landlord business" in a debate with Obama on Monday. A plainly embarrassed Obama has been sending the campaign money to charity in an effort to distance himself from the Chicago businessman, including $41,000 over the weekend.

The Democratic presidential hopeful has also been forced to explain how Rezko got tangled in the purchase of the Obama family home and other ties to Rezko — some of them going back more than 15 years. If federal prosecutors are right, his ties to Rezko may even mean Obama's campaign unwittingly accepted money generated by illegal activities."

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Roland Madore, Fort Collins, CO — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:01:16 GMT

Last night's South Carolina debate got real rancid--with both Clinton and Edwards attacking Barack Obama. I believe Barack had to come out fighting and show the country what he's been up against with the Clinton Slime Politics Attack Machine--and Bill Clinton personally--and that he wasn't going to take these smears lying down anymore. I think Hillary also realized she doesn't have a chance in South Carolina and was really trying to accomplish two things: get under Obama's skin--per "slick Willy's" orders--to show his supposed weaknesses AND speak to the rest of the country--especially those states in the Super Tuesday primaries (and with California on her mind). This "rough and tumble" between Clinton and Obama probably helped Edwards--who may be running for Vice President again. Whatever, I believe Hillary lost more of this Saturday's "white vote" as a result. Part 2 of the debate went much better, and I believe Obama displayed a more polished leadership style and won that round "hands down".
Here's the deal now. Barack Obama did what he had to, but now, he needs to get Bill Clinton out of his head and start talking beyond and above him to the nation and the world. He can no longer let Bill Clinton get under his skin, as that's what the Clintons want. Instead, he needs to make his case by appealing to the nation and the world that he's the one Presidential candidate--with the voters' help--who will provide the best leadership for the 21st century that will inspire and no longer rely on the Bush-Clinton dynasty polictics of the past. Hopefully then, more young people, more women, more seniors like me, and more latinos--citizens of all stripes--will realize that if Hillary Clinton ends up being the nominee and wins the election, it will be the dirtiest, costliest campaign on record, and none of our real problems will get their solutions because she won't be able to lead us effectively and get anything done--why? Too many conservatives hate her guts.
Barack Obama, reach above the fray--start speaking to the nation and the world, and help us turn the page on this utter nonsense and destruction. Be our leader for the 21st century.

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Lisa, Des Moines, Iowa — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:06:44 GMT

So if we elect Hillary, we replace one pathological lier (Bush) with two (Hill and Bill)?

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:15:27 GMT

Too many conservatives hate her guts.
Roland Madore, Fort Collins, CO (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:01 PM)

Actually sir, Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina --one of the most conservate senators of all, when asked about a Hillary Clinton presidency stated, "I would be very comfortable with Senator Clinton as president."

Her years in the Senate have changed many things sir; and one being the many who so-called "hated" her no longer do and actually have a great deal of respect for her!! Senator Graham is currently, and has been working for months now, on Senator McCain's campaign!!

Senator Clinton is respected in the Senate sir; anyone who could get Lindsey Graham of ALL people to state what he did must be just fine!!

PEACE!!

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:18:15 GMT

Lisa, Des Moines, Iowa (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:06 PM)

I don't like what has been done with Senator Obama's name at ALL and have been very, very outspoken in defense of Senator Obama as any of us should!! I would ask that you respect Senator Clinton's and former President Bill Clinton's name; thank you!!

PEACE!!

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Susan Harris — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:19:05 GMT

Yes, Michele DID say things about Hillary. Michele Obama said "If Hillary can NOT keep her own house, then how can she keep the WHITE HOUSE" - remember?

I like them all: Obama, Clinton and Edwards. They should all be on the ticket to show unity.

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Karen, Arlington Heights, IL — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:19:30 GMT

This evening (1/22) Keith said that Michelle Obama had not attacked Hillary and Obama should have said that in the debate. Michelle has attacked Hillary.
she said if you can't keep your own house in shape -referring to Bill Clinton and Monica- how are you going run the White House and Elizabeth Edwards accused Hillary of stealing John's health plan...

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Keith Williams Las Vegas, NV — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:20:05 GMT

On Tuesday's broadcast, Keith said exactly what Bill Clinton intended for the media to say. That is to misrepresent Obama's comments. Obama never said that the Republicans had "good" ideas. Clinton is a master at word games and the media is falling for it. One word has distorted Obama's entire statement.

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CDH, Highland, MD — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:25:32 GMT

Keith came close to stating the truth on tonight's show. Senator Obama, in trying to get the endorsement of a conservative newspaper in Nevada stated that Reagan was a transformational candidate because and the country was receptive because they were responding to the "excesses of the 60's and 70's." Which excesses was Obama exactly referring to? Was it the civil rights movement, the feminism movement, the farm worker and union movement, or the anti-war movement? Everyone who heard that comment understood it as it must reasonably be understood -- as praising Reagan. I understood it that way. John Edwards also understood it that way, saying at a rally in that they would never hear him using Reagan as a good example. Congressman Clyburn on TV also mentioned that eyebrows were raised when Obama mentioned Reagan because he was very unpopular with African Americans. Let's recall that Reagan's first post-convention speech was in Philadelphia, Mississippi where civil rights workers were killed fighting for civil rights.

In that Nevada interview, Obama also stated that the Republican party were "the" party of ideas during the past 10 to 15 years. He never stated that they were bad ideas or that he disagreed with those ideas.

Obama is being too cute in trying to finesse statements that he made and that were reasonably understood to be praising both Reagan and the Republicans.

Obama's truth squad first order of business should be to tell him that Bill Clinton has been telling the truth on this and that he, Obama is full of hot air on this one.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:26:03 GMT

The Carter/Kennedy analogy is dead on!! I remember that; it did fracture the Party; my sister and I fought and we never fight; the Party did not heal; although my sister and I made up; however, Reagan won. Now many may argue Reagan would have won anyway; however, this is not 1980 --the Democrats should NOT lose this election --no excuse except their own stupidity!!

Please Senators Clinton and Obama --no more arguing --we cannot have another Carter/Kennedy Party split --please!!

GOD HELP US!!

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Fran Wells — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:28:01 GMT

Keith, Honestly, Howard ____________ the pundit on your show tonight 1/22/08 is a Clinton Detractor. I've started to notice that on other Political shows -I watch many of them. He is starting to say many outlandish things. Wasn't he the one on Chris Matthews show(Sundays am)on Chris' "Tell me Something I don't know" that predicted Al Gore would NOT win "The Peace Prize" for his Global Warming book and movie. I thought so.

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Anna Molly (: -- aka Anomaly — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:29:08 GMT

It will not be fine if the dems get a serious thumping because, as an Anomaly said a few days back, the election is the dem's to lose. Mo Hammond (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:42 PM)

I sure did, based on the cornucopia of issues that are laid out there for the taking … the war, the economy, global warming, health care, education …. But are you suggesting that Clinton is the only candidate who can win? Because my point was really that the issues are so favorable that, as long as they don't destroy each other first, any one of the remaining candidates could beat any one of the remaining republican candidates. Unless, of course, there is a serious third-party candidacy, in which case all the balls could go right back up into the air gain.

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Darryl Hewitt, Seattle, WA — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:33:48 GMT

My wife and I love Countdown. However, with reference to the current "flap" over Senator Obama's comments abount Ronald Reagen, where in his comments did Senator Obama ever use the adjective "good"?

Senator Clinton and former President Clinton are distorting Senator Obama's remarks to make political points. I am disappointed that Mr. Olbermann and his guests have not pointed this out more forcefully.

Maybe it is time for the truth squad again.

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Dr. Darla Wilshire Altoona, PA — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:37:34 GMT

Keith--

I am disappointed in your analysis of the debate. The news media, including you, are creating conflict, playing the snippets over and over while giving advice, and browbeating Senator Obama about his lapses all at the same time. However, nary a word is said about the misuse of the bully pulpit (Clinto was president) and the tag teaming of the Clintons. I now know which camp you have your feet in, and it isn't Senator Obama's.

You used to be so level headed, but you have now joined CNN as a maker of news rather than a reporter of news. I won't make the mistake of viewing your commentaries on the political campaigns. I am so disappointed in you!

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Gary Swafford — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:39:53 GMT

While talking tonight about the spat between Bill and Obama Keith said "to be fair Obama had said the republicans had the good ideas" well to be fair Keith, Obama NEVER said "good ideas" he just said ideas. Read the transcript and get it right - to be fair.

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Herbert Hoover's fifth cousin eight times removed — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:42:40 GMT

KO KO KO baby--HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO ASK YOU TO LAY OFF COUSIN HERBERT? It's not bad enough we have to live with the shame, you've got to rub salt in wounds that have been open nearly eighty years? You must have hitherto unsuspected sadistic tendencies--

I think Billo would agree.

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Ann, West Des Moines, Iowa — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:50:53 GMT

Bill Clinton isn't just any old spouse. He's the former President of the United States. I don't care for his behavior on the campaign trail, and I wouldn't care for it coming from anyone. But it especially offends me because he is the former President. I think he denigrates the office, but then, that isn't new for him, is it?

This long-time Democrat is not supporting Hillary. Not a chance. I'll join the not-for-Hillary club if she is the nominee and either vote for an Independent, Green, or yes, maybe even a Republican.

It's too bad that the first serious female candidate for candidate chooses to run such a dirty campaign. I've lost a lot of respect for her over all of this.

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Merilee Eggleston, Boulder, CO — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:52:39 GMT

In the interest of setting the record straight, I've been waiting all day for someone to simply run the actual clip of Obama discussing the Reagan era and saying that during it the Republicans had a clear set of ideas for the country. If someone would simply air the clip, viewers would immediately see and hear (as I did) that Obama never said the Republican ideas were "good" or that he admired them, simply that as a party, the Republicans had a vision and were sufficiently organized to try to implement it.

I expected Olbermann, if anyone, to actually run this clip. Instead, I've just heard him repeat to the nation the spin the Clinton campaign put on it. He just said, "Well, Obama did say the Republicans had all the good ideas..." No, Keith, he didn't, and your reinforcing the calculated Clinton spin is unforgivable. Obama's response to Hillary's twisting of his words last night was purely factual, and the news media should be able to make that clear.

This election is far too important, and the public is too much in need of accurate information, to allow the campaigns to control the "facts" when it is so easy to demonstrate the truth of an issue. The importance here is not what Obama did or did not say about the Reagan era (and it should be obvious to even a casual observer of the Democratic candidates that none of them do or could admire Republican ideas), but that one candidate -- Hillary Clinton -- is willing to calmly fabricate what she must know to be a lie about her opponent.

What we need more than anything at this point in our history is a president we can trust to tell us the truth, and last night Hillary demonstrated that she is not that person. Disappointing, but it's crucial that people know this. Olbermann, you have let me and many others down.

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Eric Pearce, Cleveland, Tennessee — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:54:02 GMT

John Edwards is the ONLY candidate that has true help for the middle class. His stimulas package grows the economy while beefing up our infrastructure. He is not pandering, nor is he bought and sold by corporate lobbiests.
John Edwards is our only hope.

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Lisa, Des Moines, Iowa — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:54:38 GMT

Amen, Merilee.

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Kay Cloninger, Charlotte, NC — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 02:00:49 GMT

Keith, I watch you religiously and agree, for the most part, with your critique of the day or whatever. I wish you and other press would give John Edwards more positive press(or PRESS period) since he is the only one who is truly focused on the issues. Granted, he isn't an Obama or a Clinton (female), but you really should give him equal time. I mean, what's the guy got to do? Rob a bank? It would have been a much better debate if the issues had been the focus. Obama started the nasty stuff, and he has never said anything of substance, just rhetoric with a lot of alliteration, etc. Well, that just doesn't "cut it".
I personally don't give a flip about him or Hillary. I want a candidate who is focused on the economy, the war, global warming, health care and other social issues. And I would like for the press to seek the truth or at least appear not to be so enthralled with one candidate over another. Thanks for listening!!

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Paulie NJ — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 02:22:26 GMT

So Obama praised Reagan, big effing deal, get over it. Good for him already trying to reach out those in America who admire Ronnie. Obama said he was committed to uniting the country, Hillary won't be able to do it.

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Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 02:37:47 GMT

Anna Molly (: (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:25 PM)Hi. Did Senator Thompson earn enough delegates to make a difference? That's an honest-to-goodness question - no snarky intent at all. I guess the point I was trying to make, and apparently not so well, is that for all the bluster and hullabaloo surrounding Senator Thompson entering the race to begin with, he fell faster than a lead balloon.

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Terry Maag, Nampa, Idaho — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 02:38:22 GMT

Does Obama really think that if you are Older than 50 you are contradictory by nature? (because you were around in the 60's). Well MLK was around in the 60's!
It seems that Obama also talks about the same OLD people doing the same OLD things in washington. Is OLD bad?! Please be more specific.
He should not go at his "fresh" look at things for change with a discriminating attitude of generalized preconceived misconceptions. What group of people will he label next next?
Let's hear something positive! I would expect more of what Obama plans to do and how to do it rather than just to just dump the Oldies! After all most of these people DID what they thought was best at the time.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 02:51:36 GMT

CDH, Highland, MD (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:25 PM)

I completely agree with your entire post!! Having said that, we should move on and try to create unity within the Party and leave this alone --WE are feeding into the media frenzy --this will harm ANY democrat’s chances in November --including Senator Obama's if he is the democratic nominee!!

PLEASE, WE CANNOT HAVE ANOTHER CARTER/KENNEDY FRACTURED PARTY!!

PEACE & GOD HELP US!!

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Herman George, Charleston, WV — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:13:33 GMT

M & M, which republican are you supporting?

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Pie R Squared — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:33:55 GMT

Mo Hammond (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:42 PM)

I'm with you..........Proof? Where?

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Anna Molly (: — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 04:20:57 GMT

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:37 PM)

Krista -- Actually, he got 16 percent of the vote. Most analysts agree these were votes that Huckabee might have gotten. There’s been some discussion about this on the news over the past couple of days. Here’s an article from The New York Times. Even Huckabee thought Thompson was the reason he finished second.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/23/us/politics/23thompson.html?ref=politics

The problem with my theory is that Thompson is now refusing to endorse anyone. The pundits thought he would come out for McCain, but evidently he wants to wait.

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Michael Oman-Reagan, Brooklyn, NY — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 05:16:36 GMT

Keith - I love you, but you just said that Obama said the republicans "had all the good ideas". But that's not true - you misquoted him in exactly the way the Clinton's hope the media will. Obama never said they had all the "good" ideas - just all the "ideas". Which, I hate to say it, is true - they gave us the politics of fear, the anti-gay single issue voter, the mobilization of evangelicals, etc. etc. The Democrats have done nothing but try to be republican-light for the last 10 years.

Please, PLEASE ISSUE A CORRECTION on this MISQUOTE!

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:29:01 GMT

Mo (7:42 PM Post):

Excuse me Mo but I thought that was my right, privilege and my responsibility to take a personal look as an individual voter as to what candidate (and those thy surround themselves with) in order to determine who "I" feel would be best for this country based on my personal positions and value system. You also have that right and privilege. Frankly, I could care less about the Dem party or the Republican party and I am not expressing personal beliefs or a personal strategy that includes input that would protect and/or uplift either party. Part of this country's problem are the parties and the obvious blind adherence and commitment to the same, Dem and Republican. I am looking for a person to lead this country who has honesty and integrity and that can incite all Americans to unite and to move forward on the many issues we face. I could care less if they were Dem or Republican and would prefer they would consider themselves just American. If that is too subjective on my part as well as in pursuit of my individual beliefs and opinions then I am guilty as charged.

I have not decided yet who to vote for. I am not high any any of the candidates but I will vote. I am waiting and watching and I suppose will eventualy go with who I feel matches my personal positions and beliefs and values, and who makes it through these primaries with a tad bit more honesty and integrity then the others. On that one I know, good luck.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:46:28 GMT

Krista:

You have been blogging here long enough to know that Pam and I go way back and we have had disagreements in the past. You should also know by now that I greatly respect Pam's passion and spirit, always have and always will. You may see us gnashing teeth at one another on here from time to time but Pam is one of my dearest friends. Always will be. We both can place issues, especially politics, in their proper prospective. And we will always be able to return to our park bench to sit together and enjoy a wonderful spring day where we both know that nothing can separate our souls. If you don't believe me ask Pam, smile. I have similar feelings towards most bloggers here. My gosh, if you want to rip me for something fine. I am a big boy and have been ripped by people who meant me much more harm then any blogger can here. But I will remain freinds with any blogger who wishes to light me up now and then.

Here is the key Krista. I am very comfortable in who I am and what I believe and I do have "serenity". That's all that is required to place friendship above all other things including politics, religion and all other things. And if one does not have serenity I would recommend they try and get it.

Thanks for your concern and comments Krista but no need.

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Anna Molly — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:04:32 GMT

Herbert Hoover's fifth cousin eight times removed (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:42 PM)

Now there’s a message that Countdown needs to hear, and delivered with a delightful metaphorical kick that someone like me can appreciate. You’d think he’d know better, wouldn’t you, given what’s at stake – not just an election, but his ratings as well. Might as well turn it off and watch Fox. Sheesh. Come on Countdown, get over all this grousing and get on with it. But, hey, maybe there’s still hope. After all, last night we got the Rachel Maddow show and a straight-up discussion of the candidates’ economic policies. Who knows what we may see tonight? Maybe issues will move up to the #2 story. Thanks for the excellent comment. Let's just hope Countdown listens.

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deb, central florida — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:41:13 GMT

I originally was very interested in what Obama had to say, although on principle I intend to vote for Clinton unless she suddenly changes all her ideas. However, the more I hear Obama and the more I see him, the less I like him. In the debate this week he was shifty, hostile, and unconvincing. He was shrill and stuttering, and he did not convey any significant part of his former messages. He has not been consistent, and I find especially annoying his habit of going into 'preacher-speak' when he is making a speech. Either he really has a southern accent or he does not. I suspect he does not, but likes to glue one on for purposes of crowd motiviaiton, and that is offensively dishonest.

As for the topic of the percentage of melanin content in his outermost epidermal layers, that is completely irrelevant. Why are people making such a big deal out of it?

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Carol, Long Valley NJ — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:39:44 GMT

As for the topic of the percentage of melanin content in his outermost epidermal layers, that is completely irrelevant. Why are people making such a big deal out of it?
deb, central florida (Sent Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:41 AM)

Because they think they can get away with it, and it makes them 'feel' superior.

Nice post.

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gator,stuart,fl — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:14:45 GMT

David Molinero " The Best Long Term...." 1/22/08 1:33
David, what exactly do you mean by the government lowering the cost of doing business? Pesky things like requiring worker's compensation insurance? Minimum wage? Requiring a safe workplace? Making you keep your vehicles in a safe condition when you use the public roadways? Have you considered offering more pay? Maybe your just not a very good boss to work for and your employees are voting with their feet. I ran a family business for almost twenty years and found that I could frequently get people to work for me for less than elsewhere if they felt like they had a stake in the business. I complimented them on a job well done. I gave managers bonuses when they exceeded. I sought their input on how to improve the business. I rarely had anyone quit. I did occasionally fire people but found that my workforce kind of policed themselves and usually resolved issues before I had to do anything. Business is like any human endeavor. Its success relies on the loyalty of the employees, not the shareholders, for long term profitablity. True, there are businesses which succeed using a management style based on fear but you will find their employees will leave for as little as a dollar more per hour and their customer service usually stinks.

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Laura, Groveland, FL — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:39:27 GMT

I am amazed at the fact that so many actually believe Obama, playing the victim here, is actually that. He is playing his own version of spin....poor me being attacked by the same ole political games. All the while his spinners spouting the same spin, doing exactly the same thing (the evil game of politics) he whines about being the victim of. We're not that stupid....or are we? Obama's Reagan/republican 'conversation' was intended to give a 'nod' to Independant voters...his way of playing "uniter". If you didn't see it, you weren't looking (maybe waiting to her what the press had to say was said?) He gets called out on it and whines foul. And I hear him today spitting out the same "kind of politics we can't afford right now". How BS is that, playing the same game and calling foul about opponents playing that same game. Shut up already. What's really scary, from reading blogs all over, is that enter Bloomberg or Nader (again) and stupid voters that get wrapped up in the crap either don't vote or vote 3rd party and wallah, we have a third term for GWB. Thats exactly how it happened in 2000. Thats no laughing matter.

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Laura in Los Angeles — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:48:22 GMT

gator, stuart, fl Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:14 PM..gator, business profitability depends on what type of business you have and how much you're left with after the government, insurance companies take it all. I live in California, a VERY unfriendly small business state. I have wonderful employees, I pay them well, they don't leave, but I have more headaches with government wanting every piece of my business. Between workers comp, (which I think is a ripoff, as I pay my employees health insurance, taxes, (I pay way more then I should), insurance (again I pay more then the norm because of the type of business), and because California and it's EPA requirements, I have to pay fee upon fee for everything I generate, including about $1000 to the L.A. County Fire Department for HAZMAT fees..why, I don't know. But if I don't I get penalized big time. So it really depends on where you're doing business and what type of business you have. I'm ready to retire in a few years. I've been in this 20 years and I've had it with the government wanting too big a piece of my pie.

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Carol, Long Valley NJ — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:56:45 GMT

Obama's Reagan/republican 'conversation' was intended to give a 'nod' to Independent voters...his way of playing "uniter".

Laura, Groveland, FL (Sent Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:39 PM)

That's exactly how I saw it, but I thought that was a good thing, not a bad thing. In 1980, there was a large group of disenchanted Democrats who voted for Reagan -- the "Reagan Democrats". Obama was attempting to entice them into the "Obama Democrats" fold. He's campaigning -- trying to persuade people to vote for him -- how is that a bad thing?

I agree with you about the perils of a third party candidate -- I shudder to think of how bad things will get with four more years of "trickle down" Republican Rule. The only thing that "trickles down" is the same stuff that makes yellow snow -- not something that you want to be in the path of.

Nice post Laura, thank you.

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Pam Bignardi, San Pedro, California — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:06:56 GMT

Laura, Groveland, FL (Sent Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:39 PM)

Excellent post Laura!!

Carol, I see where you are coming from; I believe that in a general election it may have worked; I believe it was mistake in the democratic primary.

PEACE!!

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Anna Molly — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:38:14 GMT

What's really scary, from reading blogs all over, is that enter Bloomberg or Nader (again) and stupid voters that get wrapped up in the crap either don't vote or vote 3rd party and wallah, we have a third term for GWB. Thats exactly how it happened in 2000. Thats no laughing matter. Laura, Groveland, FL (Sent Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:39 PM)

How right you are, Laura. And this time one of the players has a billion dollar war chest to play with. That’s no laughing matter, indeed.

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Carol, Long Valley NJ — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:55:15 GMT

It is a truth universally acknowledged that Ronald Reagan won the 1980 election by a landslide, carrying 49 states. At one time, he appealed to the majority in this country (and yes Mike Dukakis was a lousy candidate) but there was a reason for that appeal.

The fact that Obama tried to capitalize on that is simply campaigning, not a mortal sin committed against the Democratic Party. He has said all along that he wants to unite the country, and when he tries, people jump all over him. Please, stop.

[with thanks to Jane Austen -- Austen fans will know why]

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Charles Bingley.(aka Anna Molly) (: — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:28:46 GMT

[with thanks to Jane Austen -- Austen fans will know why] Carol, Long Valley NJ (Sent Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:55 PM)

Thanks for the invitation Mrs. Bennet. I’d really love to meet all of your daughters. I’ll be over for dinner around 8 p.m. I might bring a single friend in possession of a good fortune, a couple of my sisters, and one of their husbands who likes fricasee, not ragout, and will drink too much wine and fall asleep on the sofa immediately after dinner. I hope you have enough room at the table.

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Carol, Long Valley NJ — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:40:01 GMT

Charles Bingley.(aka Anna Molly) (: (Sent Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:28 PM)

Of course you are always welcome at my table. And, if you must, bring your friend as well.

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Bud See, Dallas, TX — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:20:41 GMT

When will the mass media recognize the Democratic race for what it really is--a campaign for BILL Clinton's third term in office?

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Tandrea Simms, Washington, DC — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:32:21 GMT

Keith I am a fan of your show, but I find myself watching Fox a lot to avoid the Hillary love fest. Whether you want to believe it or not, what the Clinton are doing is injurious to the party, and if you want to know what a real live African-American thinks about whether in the end, we will all come together and support the nominee. If it is her the answer is no.....and for all of you white folks who think that what Bill Clinton is doing isn't racist. Take it from this black woman,it is and it's offensive, and I would never vote for her. I would rather see a republican win that her. So now you know the truth from a black person, and in the future maybe you want to ask a black person what's offensive to a black person.

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John Moore, Levittown, NY — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:41:48 GMT

My question for the Republican candidates is as follows: What policy would you follow from the Bush Jr(#43)administration and what policy would you NOT follow from Bush Jr's administration?

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Laura Grove, Des Moines, Iowa — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:37:47 GMT

John Edwards CAN beat John McCain - see CNN's poll.
All morning today MSNBC has been saying that none of the democrats can beat McCain. This is a blatant lie. CNN's poll shows John Edwards beating McCain by a margin wider than the error factor. If the press can eliminate John Edwards from the race, then they will immediately start in on the historical negatives of Clinton and Obama that will prevent them from getting elected. The press has been itching to get at these negatives for months, but they have had to coddle Hillary, then glorify Obama, to make sure we didn't get a democrat that can win.

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Dante Fangon, San Francisco, California — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:33:07 GMT

Dear Keith,
I remember on the night of New Hampshire you turned to Matthews and said, "Well just like Iowa we are now witnessing another historic occasion, the first woman to win a presidential primary." Matthews after a half second of unease changed the subject.
Keith, please don't be sucked-in to this huge conspiracy at your network of trying to bring Hillary down. Please continue to play fair. I feel so lost, I have stopped watching CNN and of course Fox News is out of the question. But MSNBC is doing it again with Hillary, the same way they did it to Al Gore back in 2000. You are the only sane person left Russert, Matthews, Carlson, Scarborough, Andrea Mitchell, Fineman etc. have all gone berserk against Hillary they don't even bother to disguise their partisanship anymore. I am very concerned about the safety of our democracy when influential people like them can conspire and attempt to pass what they are doing as journalism. Help Keith, help!
I am not necessarily for Hillary, but I am for fairness. Thank you.
Dante Fangon

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Joan Drew, Queens,NY — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:35:27 GMT

I am disappointed in the way you presented the Obama Reagon remarks, Keith. I am a fan and you misrepresented Obamas words. I was counting on you, the last bastian of truth on the airways, to give us more substantive facts about Obama, instead you criticize President Clinton and Senator Clinton unduly. You should have watched the Daily show...last night...his political satire about Obama and Clinton show more truth than you do courage. I am becoming disappointed in your distortion of their words. By the way, why was Obama the keynote speaker at the 04 Democratic convention?....was that to prepare the american people for his presidency?...who is behind this?....Karl Rove?....Obama is not prepared to be president when you examine his voting record. He needs help getting organized and appears to be indecisive on important decisions. Since when would a true Democrat even infer that the Republicans were the only party with ideas....does that not mean that the Democrats had no ideas?...I find him to be arragant.

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Meredith Wiley — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:22:22 GMT

In the interest of furthering the truth in the Clinton campaign, with Bill's increasing involvement and overshadowing of Hillary, wouldn't it be more honest if she just changed all her literature, signs, and other campaign materials to read "Billary for President?" She should also change the ballot name from Hillary to Billary in all future primaries so the voters are clear on who they are actually voting for if they choose to vote "Clintons."

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Jim Latsis, Chicago, IL — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:30:32 GMT

Joan, Obama didn't say the Republcans were the "only" party with ideas. Your interpretation shows why the Clinton startegist are approaching this campaign the way they are. It works.

I think the opening for McCain was created by the scorched earth approach the Clinton's have taken in the primary so far. It's turning off Obama Democrats, who are seeing the Clinton's in a similar light that the Republicans have for so long. If you combine that distaste with a moderate candidate like McCain, the Democrats are in trouble. The problem is, the Clinton's aren't prioritizing the party right now, their focus is winning an election. This approach is adding a slew of moderate Democrats to an already long list of people who don't like or trust the Clinton's.

The Clinton's collectively have a lot of experience with elections. I think their approach is go all out to win and then deal with the fallout in the next election. I believe this approach will hurt them as well as the entire Democratic party come November.

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Carol, Long Valley NJ — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:02:23 GMT

Jim Latsis, Chicago, IL (Sent Friday, January 25, 2008 1:30 PM)

Well stated, Jim, I'm one of those 'moderate Democrats' who can now no longer trust the Clintons.

I look forward to reading more of your comments.

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Jim Latsis — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:32:26 GMT

Thanks Carol, I am also in that category. If you asked me 3 months ago or 3 years ago, I would have said I'm certain to vote Democratic in the general election. Now my feeling is if Hilliary wins the primary, I will strongly reconsider.

The contentious relationship the Clinton's consistently have with their foes begs for an administration filled with acrimony. In the end, it's going to take bipartisanship to get things done and ease the divisiveness in America. I am very disappointed that the Clinton's have adopted such a destructive tone to their campaign, considering the vital timing of this election.

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Robert Freels, Bridgeville, Delaware. — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:08:21 GMT

I'm a Redskin fan but I hope the Pats make history. Not telling my age but I recall rooting for the Miami Dolpins when every one said they could not win it all.

Where did all our money go Keith? Some say when the forest burns it does not go away it just changes form but the matter is still there. If Bushed is still there after the state of the union tonight, send him and Dick Chaingang in a capsule to Mars as a science experiment to spy on the Martians because jail time would cost us too much money. FAR Out BABY!
revisit the MSNBC report April 10, 2007 the mortgage mess. By John Schoen. WOW what insight!! Ignored by Bushed and Alan Greenspan. Now they want to spend more of our money and borrow it from China so we can spend the money on Chinese imports. My monkey has a better ecomomic plan. Throw all the bums out of the White House and congress and start over.
I noticed the weak kneed republicans could not agree among themselves to swear off pork spending. Figure they would just send a letter to ask Pelosi to do it for them. I'm impressed they even considered stopping spending our money after the Bush money tree started to shrivel.
Free credit cards for all with love from China. Loan shark Bushed to fund his dry oil wells.

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Robert Freels, Bridgeville, Delaware. — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:17:50 GMT

Now that Dick Cheney has made the VP more powerful that the president and or congress every one should want to be VP and send a stooge like Bush out to be the mouth piece. We all now know that the VP slot is above the law. Neither the justice department nor the supreme court touch a hair on his bald head. Not even congress can dent his armor. Have we become worse than a communist police state with a Dictator VP? The old Russian KGB could take leasons fom DICK. Their Unwarranted surveillance from big brother is because they fear our freedom our democracy and our constitution. I'M worried about who will be our next VP.

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Mary Holmes, Carnegie, OK — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:26:23 GMT

So, the debate got nasty. Does Obama think being on the Board of Directors of Walmart is worse than receiving thousands of dollars from a slum landlord who cheated tax payers and poor people out of millions? Seems the Justice Dept. does not. Also, from previous speeches, the believes that "his people" need more laws and rights on the books to help them. What they need is to be responsible for their choices, life style, and work habits.