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Countdown Wednesday: Bully Pulpit

Posted: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:50 PM by Countdown

Meet the Press: If 76 percent of Americans won't say they approve of President Bush, and a similar number find him no longer relevant, today he tried to force relevancy upon himself, by saying three words no Commander-in-Chief with a history of lying this nation into war, should ever be heard saying , no matter what the context.  World War Three.

Suffer the Children: The family of a two-year old girl, speaking out for the S-CHIP program, already slimed by the far right, girded for both battles. The Wilkersons join us.

ODDBALL: The top of the Bottoms in Japan, and the world's tallest sammy.

Truth Squatting:  Six and a half weeks ago, he declared "I am not gay. I have never been gay." Now he declares " I don't use the internet... I've never used the internet". Unfortunately for Senator Larry Craig and his effort to re-establish his credibility, there is a stack of evidence, including from his own words, that he has used the internet.

Comedian-in-Chief:   One political star is setting tonight. The other, rising on the far right. Actually the farcical Right.  You can finally rule out Al Gore running for president... of Norway. And welcome Candidate Colbert for president of here.

WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD:  Coulter-geist back to get more anti-semitic, fighting off a Family Planning bureaucrat who is against contraception and Mitt Romney's new pro-torture national security advisor in a big league edition of Worsts.

Doggie Drama: The too-generous DeGeneres, unadaptable adoption, dog's breakfast of a dog scandal, continues to inflate into a drama of international proportions.  Tonight, "Access Hollywood" reports that "Mutts and Moms" has found another home for the dog,

 

Comments

A message from my friend, Senator Larry Craig --

Oh, did you say “internet”?  I thought you said “intern.”  I’ve never used an intern.  

Never mind.

Emily Latella (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:55 PM)

#5 – Mr. Bush has never felt more engaged and is ready to help us recognize there’s a lot of  unfinished business …

With all due respect, Mr. Bush -- thanks, but no thanks.  We don’t need your help recognizing the unfinished business.  After all, you’re the one who hasn’t finished it.  Or started it, either.  And god help us all now that you’re finally “engaged.”

Let’s just hope you don’t decide to “engage” that little red button on your desk.

Anomaly (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:58 PM)

Keeping Tabs – Hey Countdown – that reminds me.  I haven’t bugged you about this in a while.  If you won’t bring on Clive Owen or George Clooney, how about Obi Wan Kenobi (Ewan McGregor)?  A well known political figure in a galaxy far, far away.  A good enough excuse, I think.  

Wait -- late update.  Joel McHale.  Close enough.  Good save.

Waiting for Ewan, Clive, and George (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:59 PM)

HI all, I just found the perfect candidate to throw my support behind,  Stephen Colbert!  My only problem with him is he's from South Carolina!  OMG,  how can he be so right and so wrong at the same time!  

Larry,  congrats on your guy's approval rating!  Wow,  you must be so proud.  I bet you're about to bust!  A whole 24 %,  wow.  The country is really behind him,  huh? I know I am behind him....I am behind him trying to push his lame as* out the door!  What a sorry, sorry, sorry legacy. Such a poor excuse of a man.  Anyhoo,  go celebrate!  Your guy is the worst President in history!  

MK, Indianapolis (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:07 PM)

Tonight,  Keith asked if Pres Bush is still in control of his faculties? How could he STILL be in control of his faculties? He never had any faculties!  

This president is so grotesquely inarticulate, that it is painful to even listen to him. And he's so dishonest and morally bankrupt that he makes me embarrassed to be an American. I have never felt this way before in my life, as I have felt over this feckless rich kid masquerading as the president for the last six years.

As for Larry Craig and his 'google search': Did anyone ask him to define what he meant by 'google search'? Could be a new slang term for something toe-tappingly fabulous. And, as much as I am for all things (and people) fabulous, this guy has spent his political life demonizing Gays, for his own sad, and selfish reasons. As far as I'm concerned, the headlines for him should have read:

MO LARRY ARRESTED FOR SHEMP-NANIGANS!

GothamTomatoNYC (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:14 PM)

I would like to think I'm "above" the comment I'm about to make, but, hey, I'm only human. Keith, you looked HOT tonight! Whoever picked out that suit, a definite winner!!

OK...got that out of my system...tech s**t happens, and all is forgiven. Whoever was responsible for writing the "headlines" for the stories tonight was on fire! "Meek Inherit the Wrath" with the Wilkersons' story? "Protecting His Seat" for the Craig interview?! BRILLIANT!

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:14 PM)

Seeing the footage of the GWB "press conference" truly enhanced the listening experience I enjoyed (??!!) today. Were the members of the press in attendance issued hip-boots because it got mighty deep in there today. I was almost getting ready for him to start shouting out, "I'm relevant, dammit!" I also loved Dana Milbank's comment about GWB finally "...getting grown-ups to run the government..."

Colbert's got my vote! Let's begin a national "Run, Steve! Run" drive! What say you all?

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:20 PM)

So, are women who take birth control pills "collaborating with the culture of death"? Hmmm...I did not know that...

Speaking of "the culture of death" and those who voice their belief that Bethany Wilkerson should never have been born, I double and triple dog dare you to say that to her face! Do it! Bethany is the most enlightened soul I've seen all day - probably in a few days. If there's anything better than hearing and seeing a kid have a great time, I don't know what it is.

So, with the compassion and joy that I believe that is in ALL OF US and of which WE ARE ALL CAPABLE, I bid you all a good evening.

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:29 PM)

I want Tom and Dick Smothers to appear on the show.  I saw them this year and they are still great!

nuanced (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:41 PM)

#1. Unnamed sources claim that the Fundamentalist  Faction at the Dog Pound preferred the Dog in question, go to a Non-Gay Household. #2. Well, Colbert is a lot like Gore, with a Carraige Bolt through his Brain. #3. But did he "Swallow" the internet? #4. The Child Abuse continues, as does the Enabling. #5. On the bright side, he didn't say World War Three and Four.

Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:48 PM)

I noticed something about Sen Craig.  In his interview he said he removed the toilet paper from his shoe so it wouldn't be obvious after he left the bathroom.  But in the police interview he said he picked up the paper from behind him.  

Jim Hechenbach (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:02 PM)

How about another day

O J (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:05 PM)

Does Keith not find Colbert's shtick amusing or does he not realize it's an act on the portrayal of the far right pundits? (Bill-O, Hannity). As far as I know the real Colbert is a liberal to the contrary of his television character.

MVH, Sheboygan, WI (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:06 PM)

Leave Ellen alone!!!

O J (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:07 PM)

Ellen DeGeneres' doggie dilemma took a nasty turn Wednesday, with the operator of the animal rescue organization that took the pooch away saying she has been deluged with threatening e-mails and phone calls.

The calls got so bad that Marina Batkis said she had to close her business and stay home Wednesday, a day after DeGeneres broadcast a tearful, televised plea for the dog to be returned to her hairdresser and the woman's daughters.

Bigger than Iraq and Iran combined. Keith flow with this for one more week please (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:02 PM)

MVH. I have always thought of Colbert as an Independent. A Coconut floating in the middle of the Ocean.

Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:10 PM)

About World War Three? Dubya and Cheney discussed it, and Cheney decided he should say it. Republicans are always saying little "Aparalypse Now" kinds of Macho things. It's their schtick. Reagan had "We start bombing in ten minutes", and he named an attack sub "Corpus Christi"(The Body of Christ). If I remember it right, the Franciscans called him on it and it was renamed "The City of Corpus Christi", the name it was originally supposed to have. The Repubs always get in a huff and wonder what's wrong with saying all that goofy stuff, but then, they think they're the only ones in the world that really matter.

Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:20 PM)

The only thing less convincing than Bush's bully pulpit today was Larry Craig weaselly explaining to Matt Lauer how all the accusations of being a closeted homosexual that likes to cruise, that have been leveled at him over the last 25 years, are all just a string of unfortunate coincidences and silly misunderstandings.

Scott copeland, Naples Fl (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:22 PM)

Bush talks about stopping the current Iranian regime the way the rest of the world talks about stopping the Bush regime.

This current administration and all its cronies (Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg Group) are the world's greatest threat, by far.  

James, NYC, NY (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:24 PM)

As the same "unforgivable" technical issue the bedeviled the start of the show had apparently struck this blog earlier in the day -- no updates after 11:09 am -- I would like to echo Carol's statement that MUSTO MUST GO!  If you're that desperate for "humor" how about decorating the Frost-kids-in-the-hospital (á la the mustachioed rodent that appeared throughout the summer?) Appalling as it sounds, it couldn't be any more pathetic than Musto's "wit." O'Reilly to his credit had the sense to dump Malkin before she went postal; ditch this a__h___ before he pulls an Imus. 'nuff said.

And, for something completely different... Did anyone connect the disconnect between the wingnut pundits that opine that Brittany Wilkerson should have "never been conceived" and the Worse Person in the World Susan Orr - who opposes any sort of family planning...?  Though Orr only earned a bronze on the Countdown list, she scores the day's Apotheosis of Hypocrisy award for the Bush white house.

A. Wrightwing Conspiritor (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:39 PM)

Got an email from Britney and she says to "leve OJ aloan, & elen 2."

penpal@tearsforspears.com (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:42 PM)

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:14 PM)

Are you trying to hit on Keith?  I'm sure you just made his day...or night as it may be.

Mike, AL (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:53 PM)

Gotham. I think what Larry meant was 'Gaggin' Stench'. Unnamed sources claim it is a Restroom Trysting Term meaning, roughly, "Aromatherapy".

Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:57 PM)

Who was that woman who sat in for you?  Couldn't get wired up, eh?  And isn't it nice to be able to erase the mistakes on the second show?

Here's some light-hearted humor I found at Indecision 2008.  The subject is "Political Anagrams". I thought these were the best:
Dick Cheney = Chick needy
George Bush = He bugs Gore
Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton : Note, a dry ham and roll in chili.
Joe Biden-I need job
Colin Powell = Oil n Well Cop
Tom Tancredo-Not Democrat
Larry Craig = carry a girl
George W Bush = he grew bogus
Hillary Clinton = Only I can thrill
Fred Thompson = Forms Depth? No.
Rudy Giuliani = Gaudily, I Ruin
Mitt Romney = I Rent Tommy
Barack Obama = A Cram-a-kabob
Ron Paul = Our plan
Bill O’Reilly = libel or lily

And for Keith?

Anklebone Mirth........ta da!


R. NorCal (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 12:12 AM)

I still can't believe that BushCo still chuckles and smirks while talking about war and death.  He needs to cut down on whatever drugs he's using.

Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 12:14 AM)

#5:  For the past several years I've been listening to the President state repeatedly that "we are at war" and "this is a global threat" and "we'll track the terrorists down wherever they are in the world" and (to other nations) "if you're not with us, you're against us".  

His casual reference today suggesting he needs to take action to avoid World War Three leads me to conclude that the "soup de jour" to which he has referred for several years must then be "World War Two and A Half".

Or, with his current cheerleading rehearsals for future action in Iran, perhaps this current war is only "World War Two and A Quarter".

I'm confused, Mr. Bush.  Would you mind asking Vice-President Cheney to email me with the facts?

Oh, I forgot, the VP doesn't use email, or write any notes anywhere.  Please just ask him to call me in the morning.  I'm sure the NSA won't question his credibility while they're listening in.

Harry Governick, St. Louis, MO (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 12:23 AM)

A few thoughts about the show tonite....
My cousin BoBo thinks you are looking more dapper tonite than usual; however, you look the same to me....
WW3?  Good God, doesnt GWBush monitor his own words or is he becoming as unstable as the Dick Cheney....
With all the ruckus about Armenia and the Ottoman Empire, one does wonder why GWBush isn't more cautious what with his meeting with the Dalai Lama, etc --- now what about China and Taiwan and all this nonsense........Where have all the diplomats gone!!!
Which reminds me is C. Rice shopping for clothes again and outsourcing her job as top diplomat?
All this international nonsense is unsettling to me!
I think we should be preoccupied with reality tv shows, such as TOP CHEF, but GWBush is too much.
I feel compelled to pay heed to this hard news, which i suppose is good; but really I cant wait for more stable times so that I can watch less hard news!


Jacob, Chicago, IL (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 12:37 AM)

A British doctor says: "The Medicine in my country is so advanced that we can take a cerebrum from one man, and transplant it to another men, and he will be able to look for work in six weeks."

A Germany doctor says: "That's nothing. We can take out a person's brain, place it in another person's head, and make him prepared for war in four weeks."

And the American Doctor, not wanting to stay behind says: "You mine friends, your are way behind. We recently took a man without a brain from Texas,  placed him  in the White House, and now we have half of the country looking for work, and the other half preparing for war."

SAD (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 12:48 AM)

Sen. Larry Craig already demonstrated earlier this week that the person who delivers K.O.'s writing best is K.O., so, yes, the first few minutes of the original broadcast of tonight's episode were a bit off. I understand the irritation when things go wrong, but calling the technical difficulties "unforgivable?" Ouch.

BN, Bloomington, IN (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 12:53 AM)

The best way for a president to be re-elected is to be a war president. So that is why Bush started Iraq. Now he wants to continue this administration by starting another war for a republicOn to have a better chance of winning in 2008. After all, the dems are portrayed to be soft on defense. This administration exploited the fear and panic, which they created, when this country experienced 9/11. They need to be held accountable!

Thankyou to all the families that have appeared on Countdown the past few days! By putting a face on the issues you have become my hereoes. Now only if the republicOns could put a face on that Caddy drivin' welfare mother with a million kids that they have been talking about since 1980.

Stephen Colbert + Whitehouse Correspondent's Dinner speech?
= Presidential Candidate! (Will someone please get Dick Cheney to shoot me in the face? I need to wake myself up from this wet dream.)

Karen S., Front Royal, VA (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 12:58 AM)

Stephen Colbert for Prez..how about Jon Stewart for V. Prez? They got my vote!

Laura in Los Angeles (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:39 AM)

Give me a break. Not only does Iran not have a Nuke or a Missile to deliver one any where near the Untied States there is no PROOF that is Iran's intent. Secondly all estimates are if Iran is attempting to build a Nuclear Bomb it is several years from producing bomb number one. Yet President Bush started a "WAR" with Russia today. Russia on the other hand has over 10,000 intercontinental missiles capable of reaching the US. They also have a fleet of submarines armed with 100's of nuclear missiles. The President is so Gung Ho to BOMB Iran into oblivion he is risking a Nuclear War with Russia.
Keep in mind that our Anti-Missile Defense System might be capable of destroying about 2 dozen incoming Nuke tipped Missiles each one with about 100 times the destructive power of the Hiroshima/Nagasaki bombs.
It's time to Impeach Bush before he STARTS WORLD WAR III.

Jim Frego, Grants Pass, OR Capt. US Army (ret.) (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:41 AM)

#5..Ha, Bush approval rating at 24%. He's desperate to make himself relevent. Poor Georgie..the message is Bushie "We DON'T like you..we really don't like you".

#4..thanks Countdown for yet another miracle child that SCHIP has helped.

#3..Only saw bits of the Craig interview. When he said he didn't use the internet, the look on his wife's face said it all..she wanted to laugh. Is it just me or do his eyebrows look tweezed, and is that a bit of eyeshadow I saw..it's probably just me.

WPitW..yipee..Coultergeist once again gets the honor..today and everyday..B**CH!

and..Keith you looked mighty GUAPO dear..that suit and colors are very you..

Laura in Los Angeles (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:20 AM)

Huffinton Post Thursday...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/world-war-iii-is-going-to_b_68914.html

Laura in Los Angeles (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:10 AM)

Huffington Post Thursday

http://www.gov-bill-richardson/its-time-to-make-a-choic_b_68860.html

Laura in Los Angeles (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:18 AM)

Don't know how many of you saw this. I posted it twice a few weeks ago, but never made it. Here it is again..Jonathan Papelbon of the Boston Red Sox doing an Irish jig in his undies..and BRS Dancefest..really funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu43lbTrvOQ

Laura in Los Angeles (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:38 AM)

It's funny how conservatives like Larry Craig call it entrapment when a police sting catches him but it's just the cops doing their job when it's someone else. Larry, when you try to legislate morality, you might get wet when the piss storm comes. Welcome to the police state that used to be called America. I just hope the appeals judge is a nice, conservative born-again 4th amendment ignoring fascist just like you. It's always nice to see the chickens come home to roost.

gator,stuart,fl (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:10 AM)

no wait.....a senator is picking up someone's discarded toilet paper from the floor in a public toilet?  that's just icky!  you never know what you might pick up, but i guess that was the idea.

wash your hands (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:27 AM)

WPitW -- People like Ann Coulter have no business in my world.  To me, she always looks like someone has just dropped – or should drop – a house on her.  

But luckily for me, I have a pair of ruby slippers and a friend who has a magic wand.

“You have no power here.  Begone.”

The Witch's Dorothy (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:33 AM)

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-clinton17oct17,1,2871304.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21353422/

Turns out that Clinton didn't return all of the HSU related donation.  They chose to keep some of the donation under a special exception.  Maybe it depends on what definition of "donation" is.  

Also the NY Times, yes the NY Times, is questioning democratic ties to a corrupt law firm, for which 4 presidential candidates (Clinton, Edwards, obama, and biden) have accepted thousands of dollars in donations.

So Keith, why does this not even make your news program.  Why is there no mention of the corrupt partnerships which can cloud their judgement.  Afterall, you screamed and yelled at the Jack Abramoff scandal.  Neither party is innocent of shady dealings, but why don't you have any journalistic integrity, and provide and unbiased news.  

Make sure you have another Larry Craig news item on.  Go on Air America, then at least you can't pass your "news program" off as news, but simply a left wing talk show.  At least in that forum, you can provide a biased view, because then it is not news, but just commentary.

Kevin of NJ (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:06 AM)

Damn that Ann Coulter!  Who does she think she is running around all the time and telling the truth!  As a true liberal I hate truth tellers!!
True Liberal (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 3:05 PM)

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.  Like my friend Lisa Loopner says, "That's so funny, I forgot to laugh."

Roseanne Roseannadanna (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:13 AM)

Bush has NO KNOWLEDGE of what it is to be a Christian or even a caring human being. We are in worst shape today than we have ever been. His and Cheneys families are not hurting because we all have to pay for their stupidity.

Maria Colorado (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:15 AM)

MVH, Sheboygan, WI (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:06 PM)  You are absolutely correct! And, I think Keith does find his "shtick" amusing because he appeared on Colbert's show a few months back.

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:20 AM)

Off topic, but WTF took people so long to realize THIS??

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071017/od_afp/britainemploymentlanguageoffbeat_071017155439

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:58 AM)

OJ (10:07 PM Post): I've always liked Ellen. Seems like a person that would be cool to hang out with. But I don't know OJ. This incident of losing it on her show because of this dog, well, I'll let it speak for itself. Say OJ, have they told you when you start doing your time yet?


Steve Turner (9:48 PM Post #5): I understand from some reliable sources that in his next news conference Bush intends to bring up WWIV. WWIII will be against those Bush places in his evil category. WWIV will be against all those friends we currently have that would not support his invasion plans for WWIII. And then in the Mad Mad World of the Bush War Playbook is WWV. That's where he barricades himself in the Oval Office to avoid those people in white coats who have come to take him off somewhere.  

Anomaly (8:58 PM Post): Amen.  

C A, Tuscaloosa, AL (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:00 AM)

#2  Colbert is a good candidate for the ornery party<G>
WPITW  Coultergeist deserves the honor.
#1  I know too many homes with upper teen kids that are not petworthy and many with under 14's who are the perfect places for small dogs.  Mutts and Moms are WRONG.

Aunt Ornery (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:07 AM)

As much as I enjoy your caustic Bush bashing (he deserves every word of it), I take offense at your popularized misuse of the word "fundamentalist" which has come to encompasses all Christian orthodox teaching regarding Scripture.  Christ's return, etc. is not a fundamentalist teaching, it is a core traditional teaching of all mainstream Christian churches. Whether you think it foolish or not, is not the issue. That is your own opinion.  But calling those who believe it "fundamentalist" is completely incorrect and misleading.

Carol Rollo (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:21 AM)

Back to Bush...his facial expressions of "What are you, Stupid?" are incredible when he is now mouthing the words of his critics as obvious truth.  This guy has such serious emotional problems that it is scarey he's the leader of the free world. O, Lord, hasten the election!!!

Carol Rollo (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:29 AM)

It was almost comical when Bush said nothing was getting done for the American people because of Congress.  Excuse me President Veto the SCHIP and getting our troops out of Iraq?  And what party was in control of Congress for 6 long years and could anyone tell me what got done then, besides coming back from Easter break to save Terri Schaivo?  Just who are those 24% or so that still support this guy?  Let's see... there's Coultergeist, Rush, Hannity, Billo, Elizabeth Hasselbeck and Fox News.  I don't know about anyone else, but those are the last people that I would want to support me.  But I guess stupid is as stupid does.  

LA, Seattle (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:29 AM)

"I noticed something about Sen Craig.  In his interview he said he removed the toilet paper from his shoe so it wouldn't be obvious after he left the bathroom.  But in the police interview he said he picked up the paper from behind him."

Yeah, that sounds like reality, when I see toilet paper on a public restroom floor, my first reaction is to always pick it up with my bare fingers.

Larry Craig & his wife's "explanations" to Matt Lauer were the funniest hour of comedy MSNBC has ever aired. It's odd, in my 45 years of traveling and public restroom experience, not once has my foot ever come close to touching someones foot in another stall. To me Larry's claim he did touch the cops foot, but it was just a accident was one of the bizaarist claims in a year of whoppers.

And his whole giggling, this-is-too-silly-to-even-discuss demeanor was utterly insulting and unconvincing. I really hope he keeps going on talk shows "defending" himself, there's no better poster child for the Republican's idea of honesty and accountability than Larry Craig.

Scott copeland, Naples Fl (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:17 AM)

Protest verizon not carrying msnbc. Got to have my Countdown with KO fix.

Lisa Coders (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:20 AM)

Most Americans and most Iraqis are tired of our "occupation" of Iraq.  It's time to leave.  

There are 460 days until the end of this regime on 1/20/2009
There are 445 days until the end of this Congress on 1/5/2009 ???
There are 383 days until election day -- 11/4/2008

Evaluate all the candidates and think wisely before you vote.
And we are counting down.

Carol, Long Valley NJ (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:37 AM)

"saying three words no Commander-in-Chief with a history of lying this nation into war, should ever be heard saying , no matter what the context.  World War Three."

Heh KO, did you actually listen to the whole news conference.  The President was correct in keeping the pressure on the UN to make sure that a rogue nation such as Iran does not get a nuclear weapon.  What do you think would happen if Iran used a nuke, duh, WWIII.  Bush is correct.  He is also correct in calling Putin on his meetings with Hitler jr.  I have to question YOUR relevancy, as you are pandering more and more to the lunatic fringe. What do you, Sir, propose we do with Iran. Let them have a nuke.  Let them use said Nuke.  Then go to the UN and say, "we must sanction Iran" for their actions.  

Kevin of NJ (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:40 AM)

Anomaly (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:15 PM)

Of course I don’t hate you Anomaly!  I am in fact trying to save you from crossing the event horizon, and falling into the black hole of liberaldoom.

You know what it means if the Artic ice melts?  A great northwest passage!  It would open more efficient shipping routes.  Look Anomaly I think that the global warming phenomena we see is the natural result of a dynamic system not just the result of our activity.  I think it is supremely arrogant to think we can do anything about it at this time.  Trying to fix something when that something is not fully understood is a foolhardy exercise in frustration.  Did you know Anomaly that the polar ice caps on Mars are also melting according to NASA?  Our CO2 sure gets around huh?

True Liberal (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:44 AM)

I herby give my endorsement to Al Gore for president of Norway!  Heck,  in a few years it might be a nice warm environment for him to live.  

True Liberal (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:53 AM)

Keith, I hate it when you aren't presenting the show. Nobody does it better.

angela miracle (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:00 AM)

Off topic, but a sad day for us movie and/or musical buffs. Deborah Kerr has died. She was WONDERFUL in THE KING & I.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/10/18/obit.kerr.ap/index.html

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:06 AM)

From today's New York Times, a story about how Iraq has just signed contracts with Iran and China to build giant power plants:

“The agreements between Iraq and Iran come after the American-led reconstruction effort, which relied heavily on large American contractors, has spent nearly $5 billion of United States taxpayer money on Iraq’s electricity grid. Aside from a few isolated bright spots, there was little clear impact in a nation where in many places electricity is still available only for a few hours each day.”

Another day, another $5 billion down, down, down the rabbit hole.  

And get this.  According to the Times, the good news is that the new power plants will be built in the Shiite districts, so that they won’t be subjected to as much terrorism.  But, of course, they would be controlled by the Shiites, wouldn’t they?  Did I say this was the “good” news?  Anyway, the bad news is that this kind of Iranian commercial investment can mask military activities, but according to one unnamed military official, “[t]his is a free marketplace, so there’s not much we can do about it.”  

In other words, we’ve spent $5 billion on electricity infrastructure that isn’t, and in the interests of the “free marketplace” we can’t do anything to stop the Iraqi government from spending another $1.1 billion to build huge power plants to mainly serve Iranian interests.  And, at the same time, by awarding these contracts to American rivals, they are effectively cutting the U.S. out of a chance to get some of the Iraqi oil revenues we were promised.  

Whoever said our Iraq policy is messed up?  

Oh, I forgot.  That was Vladimir Putin, wasn’t it?

I'm sure glad Mr. Bush is now re-engaged.  I'm sure we'll see an end to this nonsense, and soon.

Anomaly (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:13 AM)

MK, as long as he is 13 points HIGHER than your congress , he's ok. How convenient for you to leave out the 11% approval rating for Pelosi and Reid. Liberals will never get it.

Larry Charleston, SC (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:14 AM)

In Valerie Plame's new book it is clear that the main stream media has become part of the problem rather than an antidote to government abuses, smears and dirty tricks.  I have to share her opinion of the Washington Post. Being a long time subscriber I have noticed a decided change in the last 10 years. Its editorial pages have gone way over on the side of being cheerleaders for the right and its ombudsmen have been running jokes when it comes to correcting erroneous reports. Unfortunately the only alternative is the Moonie paper.

“It was the Pentagon Papers or Watergate turned on its head,” she writes, adding, “These reporters were allowing themselves to be exploited by the administration and were obstructing the investigation.”

After reading a Washington Post editorial criticizing her husband, Plame writes that she “suddenly understood what it must have felt like to live in the Soviet Union and have only the state propaganda entity, Pravda, as the source of news about the world.”

nuanced (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:27 AM)

Ah,yes, the toilet paper capade.  This is a job for Perry Mason to figure out. Just where was that toilet paper and how did it enable or not enable the senator in his erstwhile efforts, one way or another. One can spend an entire hour ascertaining the whereabouts of that dreaded toilet paper. Was it on his shoe or was it definitely behind the fellow? Was it on his face or was that merely whipcream? Tune in tomorrow for further scathing remarks about the hallowed toilet paper escapade.

Simpliticus (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 12:17 PM)

Is it just me, or are the number 1 stories lately kind of a letdown?

Kevin, Lincoln, NE (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 12:52 PM)

Update I'm bored.

OJ (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 12:53 PM)

Looks like my post from last night is missing (again).  How come none of OJs posts ever go missing?

Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:02 PM)

Great job Keith being in fourth place. Lets see that means out of the big four cable networks you have a 25 % approval rating just like President Bush. That should be a wake up call.

Larry Boston (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:14 PM)

I just saw that SCHIP failed to override BushCos veto in the House.  To the APPLAUSE of several House members when the vote was announced, no less.  Heartless barely describes these greedy shills (more than likely the same ones who approve trillions for Bush's Iraq nightmare).

We need to watch the FISA bill and telecom retroactive immunity clause (which is, unfortunately, in the Senate version).  Telecom companies must not be given what amounts to a "pardon" for their unlawful enabling of spying on Americans.  Getting free passes on regulations in return for selling out their customers MUST have consequences.

Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:21 PM)

For those who continue to question why the US is so involved militarily with a nation like Iraq (a nation which did not attack the US in 2001), and seems to sidetrack around Afghanistan which houses  Al-queda , a group who was responsible for this attack consider this:

In 1941 the US was attacked by the Empire of Japan during a surprise attack on the Hawaiian Islands. During the coming days following the attack Japanese forces continued to kill thousands of Americans in the island of Wake, Guam. Philippines and the Alaska’ Aleutian island chain. FDR chose to sidetrack the Japanese threat as secondary and instead concentrate on destroying Nazi Germany first, a nation which did not attack, nor  had the capability to attack the US or it’s territories. At the time America entered the war most Americans were not anti-German but anti-Japanese. FDR ordered that all Japanese immigrants be removed from their homes and placed in concentration camps out west without due process of trial or charge. In the end The US, along with the allies defeated the axis powers and history moved forward

Can anybody see similarities today?

History repeats itself (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:25 PM)

As soon as my blood warmed up after turning frigid watching Bush giggling through his message about World War III, I realized that the more deranged Bush appears in public probably the better for the people of America to decide how to vote.  Although, just for once, I would like for the Republicans to vote the wishes of their constituents which they are supposed to REPRESENT rather than continuing to support a president who appears to be out of his mind.  Wars are not funny.  And Ms. Pelosi should promptly put impeachment "back on the table."  This was her first and biggest mistake and has rendered the Democrats fairly ineffective in getting through important legislation because anything that Bush didn't initiate, he is going to veto.  

Disgusted, TX (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:27 PM)

Anyone home? I might not be around muuch longer, jail.

OJ (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:33 PM)

The question I didn't hear at the conclusion of the interview was, "Senator Craig.  Would you be willing to submit to a polygraph examination to verify the truthfulness of your statements?"

"If so, LETS."

That question should be routinely asked of bush, cheney, rice, gonzalas, rove et al.

CW Cocoa, FL (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:37 PM)

"How 'bout waterboarding?  Would you be willing to submit to waterboarding to verify the truthfulness of your statements?"
That question should be routinely asked of bush, cheney, rice, gonzalas, rove et al.



   

That question should be routinely asked of bush, cheney, rice, gonzalas, rove et al.

CW Cocoa, FL (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:39 PM)

It is absolutely sickening that the House failed to override Bozo's veto on S-chip.  I hope the dems stick to their guns and don't compromise on this issue because it's way too important.  I would renew the current program until Jan 2009 and then vote on expanding S-chip at that time when dems have a bigger lead in Congress and there's a democratic president.  If people weren't voting for Dems because of the infinitive war they certainly will over telling kids their parents make too much to have health insurance.  Honestly, I could care less what people think of the parents for not providing health insurance for their kids, but the bottom line should be the kids.  Most parents probably have legitimate reasons (i.e. too expensive)but it really shouldn't be a factor.  The bill is about the kids and they are not able to make these decisions for themselves so how could anyone with an ounce of morality and compassion deny the children coverage?  It is absolutely unbelievable.  These right wing nuts and the 8 dems need to go to Church on Sunday and pray for forgiveness.  My church constantly preaches on helping the most vulnerable in our society.  Who is more vulnerable than children?  The right wing radio and TV pundits I'm sure will be celebrating their victory but how could anyone celebrate a victory at the expense of millions of kids.  

Mike, AL (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:47 PM)

World War III, he joked, World War III, seems to me, if you don't want World War III, you don't want the Iranians to know how to make a nuclear bomb. Pyschos are arming space for Jesus and pissing the Russians off to prove to Dick the lying murdering prick he is not the Imperial Wizard of Oil and Nukes. It's like the Twilight Zone but it never ends; you gave these oil hick psycopaths power and they killed people around the world for oil. Imagine that. Iraq, Azerbaizan, Niger Delta, Ecuadorian rainforests, Guatemala, Peru, Ecuador to mention a few. It's me, It's me, It's Ernest T fetchin up World War III for Jesus and Hunt Oil! Happy hunting!!

doomed (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:49 PM)

I wouldn't trust Ellen with MY dog. Who knows who'd she give it to.

Celebrity Status (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:52 PM)

Well lookie lookie.  

It seems that Mitch McConnells home state of Kentucky isn't too proud of his lying about involvement in the smearing of the Frost family.

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071018/OPINION01/710180358

There need to be consequences for this outrageous behavior.

Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:55 PM)

CA  about your Oct 17 3:49 P.M. post. Allegations of Hillary Clinton intercepting cell phone calls are just that allegations. Seeing as they are coming from Larry of Charleston  you should give them all the attention they deserve....none. I have met some factually and intellectually challenged people in my time and he ranks right at the top (or bottom) depending on your point of view. He gets his "facts " straight from Lyin' Limbaugh and Freeperland and doesn't bother doing any fact checking of his own.

Bill Rochester NY (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:59 PM)

Mike, AL (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:53 PM)  Nope, not trying to "hit on" K.O. I'm married; he's attached. But, he looked awesome last night!

Back to one of the "issues at hand," it's just been "across the wire" that the House failed to over-ride the GWB SCHIP veto by 13 votes.

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:08 PM)

Maybe Larry "I'm not gay" Craig could get some lessons on how to use the internet from Father "I'm not gay" Stenico, you know the priest who's only pretending to be gay on gay internet chat rooms to root out the satanic cults of homosexuals who want to seduce priests.  Do these  Republican and religious types ever tire of telling lie after lie after lie...of course Family Planning won't have to worry about contraceptives, Craig and Stenico won't need 'em.  I just hope the stalls in the Vatican can accommodate Larry's wide stance.  I wish Pat Paulsen were still with us.  I'd vote a for Colbert/Paulsen ticket in a heartbeat!

Rocky Mountain Guy, Colorado (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:15 PM)

I bet these "guys" could've taught GWB a thing or 2 about language and communication! Check this out...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20071018/sc_livescience/chattycavemenmeneanderthaltalkjustfine

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:17 PM)

R NorCal and SAD: such priceless gems!! I've got to share these...

Kevin NJ, there are multiple outlets and pundits who dish the dirt on HRC...and they've been investigating her for many years...countdown is one of the rare programs that expose what the "liberal media" won't.

Didn't Craig originally say he picked TP off the  floor...but in his Matt Lauer interview he says he pulled TP off his shoe...sounds kinda funny to me.

Lisa, Fort Worth TX (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:24 PM)

Just a late note on the recent Clarence Thomas vs Anita Hill issue.  He claimed he never heard a word of her testimony and that it was all lies.  Logic like this from a Supreme Court Justice?  
Why is he so angry?  Is he upset that he is not Chief Justice?

S.Bolinger,St.Louis,MO (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:26 PM)

LA, Seattle (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:29 AM)

You forgot about the southern rednecks that live down here in AL, MS, GA, TN, KY, SC (that's probably about 20% of the 24%).  They either don't have a TV to know what's going on or their too stupid to understand what's happening.

Mike, AL (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:26 PM)

Isn't it time now for a countdown to the final day of the Bush presidency? Every night, for example, we could hear how many days it's been since Bush declared victory in Iraq AND how many days are left in his presidency. A nice addition don't you think? ...

Jean Desjardins, Montreal, Quebec (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:26 PM)

Mike, AL (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:47 PM)

Uh, those that need the help would be under President Bush's compromise.  Sit down at the table and come up with a reasonable compromise.  Bush would , repeat, would sign a bill that extends the program plus an increase in benefits. You all keep correct Larry or Wayne that this is not for the poor.  OK, that is just semantics.  The program is designed to help those that cannot afford their high cost health insurance.  The democrats keep rolling out one family after another as examples.  OK, that is fine, but all of these families are covered under the program and under that proposed by Bush

Kevin of NJ (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:27 PM)

Please cover the Brent Wilkes/ Duke Cunningham trial it has everything anyone could want in a number one story, hookers, gambling, free vacations, defense contracts.  These guys make Britney look classy.

jen,il (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:28 PM)

Kevin of NJ (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:40 AM)

Don't you read the bible.  It says that you should worship only one God.  You're praising of Bush (although touching) is getting close to worship and Bush is far far far from the Almighty.

Mike, AL (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:30 PM)

Krista..I knew there was a reason my morale was so high..cussing like a truck driver I guess!

and it is sad about Deborah Kerr. I loved her not only in the King and I but also a classic An Affair To Remember..

Laura in Los Angeles (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:33 PM)

Bill (1:59 PM Post): I stated "if the allegations were true" regarding Hillary and the cell phones, not that I believed Larry's comments. I also know Hillary and Bill (who is great) well enough to know that they will pull out all stops to win this election. I just put two and two together but still stated "if they were true".  

Kevin (10:40 AM Post): I believe the criticism of the WWIII talk from Bush was more the timing more then anything else. Just as Putin is bucking the US on the European missle shield plans and visitng Iran, Bush makes the statement about WWIII. Here's the rub. Regardless of Bush's intent Putin will see it as a challenege to Russia, not as a challenege to Iran. Not good Kevin. Secondly, to make such comments in public at a news conference for the world to see is not a good idea. If you want to threaten Iran, fine. If you want to tell Putin to back off, fine. But do so in private meetings with both rather than blurting out talk of WWIII on national television.

As far as Iran, you don't have to threaten them every other day. The UN is not going to do a damn thing. Just shut your mouth and when and if Iran gets close to obtaining a nuke just blow the hell out of it. Just be sure you have done you homework to know exactly where it is before you strike, unlike what was done in Iraq (remember no nukes were found). In the interim, have Putin back over for a visit and get down to brass tacks about what we and the Russia need to do to maintain global peace.    

It is one thing to be a hawk Kevin, or to protect the US, or to challenge your adversaries. But it is another on how you go about doing it. You don't carry a big mouth and a little stick (our forces are really spread thin). You do it by carrying a little mouth and a big stick and by keepoing your adversaries guessing.    

C A, Tuscaloosa, Al (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:36 PM)

The President/Dictator mentioned the Legislative branch impeding the Executive branch?  How about the Executive branch denying the existence of the Judicial branch?  How about the VP claiming that he is neither a part of the Executive or Legislative branches?  Is the VP,by default, the tenth Supreme Court Justice? Maybe he's the acting Attorney General.

S.Bolinger,St.Louis,MO (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:36 PM)

Anomaly, (posted 10/17/07, 4:28)

I think is says something that the rhetoric did get ramped up after your suggestion.  We are truly at the point where we are willing to suspend our common sense (not to mention our sense of humor!) and think, "Wait - that could really happen"! And that, I grant you, is pretty danged scary.

Peace, Out, Brothers & Sisters
Chris F, just o'er the border in Williconsinois (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:29 PM)

Chris --  If only I had the power to ramp up the rhetoric.  What a different world it would be.  Less scary, for sure.

Anomaly (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:40 PM)

Shoot..here's the correct link to Gov. Bill Richardson article on Huffington Post..sorry for the mixup again..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gov-bill-richardson/its-time-to-make-a-choic_b_68860.html

Laura in Los Angeles (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:40 PM)

Roll call vote on SCHIP this morning

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll982.xml

ek mpls mn (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:41 PM)

Krista, Deborah Kerr in "An Affair to Remember" with the ultimate drop dead handsome, funny, sophisticated Cary Grant.

"If it had to happen, why did it have to happen to you".

That line kills me every time.  One of my all time favorite tear jerkers.

I have the song at home and play it all the time. It's got to be one of the most beautiful songs ever written. I will play it this evening in remembrance of Deborah Kerr. And most likely, in remembrance of the 2007 Boston Red Sox.

Pat, Boston, MA (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:51 PM)

I think it is supremely arrogant to think we can do anything about it at this time.  Trying to fix something when that something is not fully understood is a foolhardy exercise in frustration.  True Liberal (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:44 AM)

Hi True – So glad to hear you don’t hate me.  But, True, tell me.  If the evidence of your eyes showed there was a big hole in the dam, and if your city was about to be flooded, and if your city flooded then it was for sure that everyone in your city would die, would your first reaction be to commission a study to find out EXACTLY what caused the hole to appear?  Or would you do whatever you could think of to do -- as fast as you could think to do it -- to block the hole and stop the dam from bursting -- even if your actions might, upon later scrutiny by the commission, prove to have been “foolhardy”?  

Come on, True.  You know what you would do.  And like it or not, that’s where are right now.  We need to act.  The ice cap, the polar bears (metaphorical for all endangered flora and fauna), and the coastlines aren’t going to wait around for the final commission report – the one delivered on Judgment Day.  

Unless, of course, Judgment Day is coming a lot sooner than we think.  In which case, True, just keep on fiddling while Rome keeps on burning.  (And not metaphorically.)  

Anomaly (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:02 PM)

Commentary on a local issue (I'll understand if it's not posted)-
   There's a local woman who has been sentenced to 10 years for "criminal sexual endangerment" because she is HIV positive.  The basis being her promiscuity with her knowledge of carrying the virus.
   Some media is saying that the sentence is too light.  Their argument being the number of contacts and the "fact" that one of her contacts contracted the virus from her.  How they know "the victim" caught the disease from this specific woman is not clear. Last I heard it is passed much more readily from male to female than female to male.  Also in this day and age what self-respecting men, or women for that matter, engage in such high-risk sexual behavior without knowing what constitutes safe-sex?

S.Bolinger,St.Louis,MO (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:02 PM)

Carol Rollo (9:29 AM Post): Very perceptive Carol. Add to the "what, are you stupid" expression the thoughts "how come you people don't like me" and, "I'll show you", and it really gets scary. You are certainly correct in your observations that Bush's expressions coupled with his behavior over the last several years points to some form of emotional trauma. I still say it is a self-awareness of incompetence and a deep seeded fanatical need to prove to his Daddy, and to others, that he is a mature and responsible adult. Unfortunately, the decisions he makes and actions he takes only solidify the incompetence and lack of responsible mature adulthood rather than proving he possesses the same. He is his own worst nightmare. Laura will talk about it one day in a book when GWB is gone. Most likely  as a defense of her Georgie boy by trying to provide a rational explanation for his irrational behaviors, and to seek sympathy for him in the annals of history. But she will talk about it. Wait and see.

C A, Tuscaloosa, AL (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:06 PM)

Sustaining BushCo's veto of SCHIP = another nail in the Repugnikant coffin.  They allowed some Repugs in the House to vote to over-ride (so they can use that phoney vote to shill for votes in 2008) since they had enough votes to sustain the veto from members in nice, "safe" Republican districts.

My own scumbag .... er, "representative", F. James Sensenbrenner, voted NO (to sustain).  Yuck.

How did your representative vote?  Check here:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll982.xml

Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:18 PM)

doomed: It's like the Twilight Zone but it never ends; you gave these oil hick psycopaths power and they killed people around the world for oil. Imagine that. Iraq, Azerbaizan, Niger Delta, Ecuadorian rainforests, Guatemala, Peru, Ecuador to mention a few.

I couldn't say it better myself, so I am just going to quote you, doomed.  Holy moly--how can this man talk about World War II (nucular version) with a smirk on his face?  And who has the will to stop BushCo?

Linda, Pittsburgh (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:21 PM)

True "Liberal" made a mistake. He/She/It asserted that He/She/It thought. Global climate change typically occurs in hundreds if not thousands of years, not in less than a century. This has been confirmed by ice core samples taken from all over the world. Research a little more True "Liberal". The punishment for ignorance is a hunting trip with Dick Cheney. How long can you tread water? You might want to start practicing.

gator,stuart,fl (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:23 PM)

Anomaly (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:30 PM)

You brought warm feelings to my heart and a huge smile to my face with the word "whippersnapper."  My Great Uncle Jack, the kindest and most generous human being I have ever known, has used "whippersnapper" when speaking to me for as long as I can remember. Being away at college and so far from home, just reading it took my mind and soul to California with my family, thank you.

Thank you so much for your kind words. I know the "whippersnapper" works hard and I commend him or her.  I've been trying to respond to Wayne for more than two weeks and am glad I was finally able to do so yesterday. The “whippersnapper” must have been under considerable overload as of late.  

Concerning Wayne, I'll leave the miserable thing alone now, I've spoken my peace. Also, my mother, who has been sick with pneumonia for several days, has told me several times its best to leave "the man behind the curtain" alone also; along with Larry, who has called my sister and me "terrorists" in many comments directed to my mother.  I will heed both your advice and my mother's; and just hope when Mom reads my comments, she'll say, "that's my daughter" (I hope).

Rana, Purchase, NY (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:25 PM)

OJ did not want guns in Vegas, but does want an update.

OJ (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:26 PM)

In the event you haven't heard, I regret to inform you that ADM William Crowe passed away this morning.  You are all aware of the impact he's had on our Navy and our nation, particularly as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

K. Collins, USN (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:29 PM)

SAD (12:48 AM Post): Got to love it. One of the finest posts I have seen in months.  

C A, Tuscaloosa, AL (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:30 PM)

Bush is calling the failure of the house to override his veto a success.  10 million kids will continue to go with out health care.  The 35 billion dollars that was to be spent over 5 years is what we spend in Iraq in 45 days.  Once again the words hide the deeds.

jen,il (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:36 PM)

UPDATE PLEASE

THANK YOU (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:41 PM)

Larry Charleston, SC (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:14 AM)

The reason that congress is so low is because they haven't done what they were elected to do....which is to get get our soldiers out of Iraq and then as a bonus to impeach Bozo.  I'm sure you know that's the real reason but you always fail to mention to the whole story in your consistent attempt to distort the truth.  It's more of a reflection on your president.
Whats wrong Larry?  I think this was the first time you didn't end your comment with LOL.  

Mike, AL (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:45 PM)

Why hasn't Bush been told that by turning down the SCHIP program he looks alot like Ebeneezer Scrooge.  In fact, with tophat, his face aswirl with a fake beard, Bush could be a great bumbling Scrooge. When being visited by (congress) in his counting office, Bush stumbles just as an uneloquent Scrooge might have done. Sign W. up for this years Christmas extravaganza in the CHRISTMAS CAROL, W. has outdone but not outtalked Scrooge who Bush has become!

Simpliticus (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:48 PM)

Also, I think it's hilarious and appropriately republican that they blame the democrats in Congress for their low ratings.  Don't forget that just a hair under half of the House and Senate belong to the Republicans.  So all you Republicans are only telling half the truth.   The congress's low ratings aren't entirely the Democrats fault.  The Republicans are just as at fault.

Kevin, Lincoln, NE (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:48 PM)

Don't you read the bible.  It says that you should worship only one God.  You're praising of Bush (although touching) is getting close to worship and Bush is far far far from the Almighty.
Mike, AL (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:30 PM)

Actually, Mike, if you watched the documentary Jesus Camp, you would have seen part of the children's camp activities included kneeling before (and praying to) a cardboard cutout of George W. Bush.  They're not just getting close .... they're THERE.

Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:49 PM)

Don't you read the bible.  It says that you should worship only one God.  You're praising of Bush (although touching) is getting close to worship and Bush is far far far from the Almighty.
Mike, AL (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:30 PM)

Hardly worshipping him.  I have chastised everyone to get this damn bill done and stop with the mudslinging, name calling, and grandstanding politics.  Frankly, they all look stupid on this one.
That is more than you can say.  Mike, be objective and intellectually honest.  Both sides are pathetic at this point.

Kevin of NJ (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:52 PM)

jen,il (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:36 PM)

Well said!!!

Mike, AL (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:53 PM)

10 million kids will continue to go with out health care.

jen,il (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:36 PM)

You are distorting facts again.  If an extension is not passed, then this program will lapse.  Bush has said he will extend this program.  Harry Reid said he will not compromise at all.  So what does that mean, he will not have another bill.  If that is the case then you are correct, there will be 10 million children without insurance.  And it will be on Harry's head.  Sit down at the table and work out a compromise.    

Kevin of NJ (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:56 PM)

S.Bolinger,St.Louis,MO (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:26 PM)  Hi! I just recently heard Justice Thomas' interview on 60 MINUTES; he didn't even sound all that excited or honored to BE on the Supreme Court, so I doubt he wants to be Chief Justice. If he didn't want a seat on SCOTUS, he should've bowed out for someone who'd been dreaming of the opportunity their entire careers. BTW, he'd spent less than a year on the bench when GW '41' nominated him.

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:01 PM)

Anomaly (Sent Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:58 PM)

His "sprinting to the finish line" terrifies me. God knows what this monster will do; I just hope the Peace Corps sends me some place where I can explain we don't like him or support him.  I don't really even consider him to be human.

Well, off to my three-hour class; I hope he doesn't do any “sprinting” while I'm there.

Rana, Purchase, NY (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:03 PM)

Laura in Los Angeles (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:33 PM)  My wonderful maternal grandfather who used to have "tea parties" with me could make a sailor blush. According to my parents, some of the first words out of my mouth were "Oh, Hell!" So, I come by my "vocab" honestly!

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:04 PM)

Anomaly, (posted 10/18/08, 2:40 pm)

If only I had the power to ramp up the rhetoric.  What a different world it would be.

You're absolutely right, and guess what?  You DO have the power - we ALL do!  That is what is going on, on this blog and others.  Putting power to the ideas by free and open debate.  

I posted a response to one of your posts last week which did not "make the cut", perhaps because I was taking the administration to task in no uncertain terms.  (Hmmmmm.  That's about the same time my satellite conked out.  Should I be listening for the black helicopters?  :))  In my post, I posited the notions that (1) The imperial presidency may be closer than we think - perhaps as close as a pretextual invasion of Iran with the subsequent, nasty consequences and (2) I called the president's sanity into question.

It appears that I am not a lone voice in the wilderness.  I will close this post with the same quote in which I closed my earlier, albeit unseen offering:

"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world.  It's the only thing that ever has."

--Margaret Mead

And for heaven's sake, gang!  Let's stop giving Ms. Coulter an audience!  She and her ilk are lower than whale poo; they are such shameless self-promoters as to make Don King look altruistic! They thrive on attention - let's put 'em on a diet!

Peace, Out, Brothers & Sisters  

Chris F, just o'er the border in Williconsinois (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:06 PM)

History repeats itself- Your post is stunning.  The way you grasp WWII, I can only assume you went to an urban puplic school.  Here's a few things wrong with your post but by no means a complete list.  Germany was occupying our allies, Iraq wasn't.  We continued to fight Japan even after we sent troops to Europe, Bin Laden has been allowed to live freely in the mountains for 6yrs.  Every American sacraficed for the war, taxs went up, people bought war bonds, there was rationing and large scale recycling none of that has happened with this war.  The only people who have been asked to pay for it in anyway are our military personel.  I urge you to READ A BOOK.

jen,il (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:06 PM)

ek mpls mn (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:41 PM)  Thank you so SO much for sharing the link with us! One - ONE - lone Demo out of the 156 to sustain the veto; what I have to say about this lot isn't appropriate for a "family site."

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:08 PM)

This staph plague is probably something One Nation Under Biowar let slip into the atmosphere. How do we know this isn't an army project we don't know about. They lose computers, the id's of eight million veterans, any semblance of morality so certainly as the leader of illegal, biological warfare and since this is all in the northeast, maybe our guv lost something, like a plague. To escape this plague, Hunt and Halliburton Oil are moving to Dubai with your hundreds of millions of tax free dollars to be closer to the oil reserve they're stealing for Jesus and Main Street. Keep your chin up!!

doomed (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:08 PM)

Pat, Boston, MA (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:51 PM)  Get ready to lash me with a wet noodle (don't tell Senator Craig!); I haven't seen AN AFFAIR TO REMEMBER. Cary Grant's OK; I'm more of a Clark Gable gal myself!

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:14 PM)

Pam, sorry to read you're sick. Hope to see you back here real, real soon.

Take good care of yourself.

Pat, Boston, MA (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:14 PM)

Kevin in NJ- The SCHIP program currently covers only 4 million children. While there are currently children eligable who are not in the program that in many cases is due to the fact that states have had to block enrollment because they are not getting enough money from the federal government.  The expansion would cover the estimated 6 million currently eligabal who are not in the program and another 4 million would become eligable.  I realize you don't want to believe this effects the lives of actual children or that there could possibly be such a huge need in this country that is not being met.  I suggest you start actually talking and listening to other Americans.  But I'm just full of advice today.  

jen,il (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:14 PM)

Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:49 PM)

No I haven't seen that.  Maybe the kids and I will watch that Halloween night because that sounds very scary.

Mike, AL (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:21 PM)

Once again, Our Illustrious with NO Oversight Senate Democrats have caved in to the Bush Regime of Liars and Spying on Americans.  Senate Democrats BOW to the Liar-(Bush) on granting Immunity to all the TeleCom folks that spied on Americans without warrants!  Many contributors have shifted monies to the Democratic Party.  Republican and or Democrat; It's all about 'lying' and 'spying' on Americans for money and power.  

Edwin Anthony, Lewes Beach, DE (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:28 PM)

Get well soon Pam - we miss you.

Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:34 PM)

Kevin of NJ (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:27 PM)

Although I would normally agree with your comment to sit down with Bush and work on a compromise, I simply would not recommend that in this case. The dems have compromised enough on so many issues with Bush not budging a bit.  If it meant insuring an additional 6 million kids who are currently uninsured I think that would be worth standing your ground.  It's not like this is a democratic proposal that only the dems are behind.  This is a bi-partisan effort proposed by Rockefeller and Snowe and as you can tell from the Senate vote it has senators from the far left and the far right voting for it. Even the insurance industry (i.e America's health Insurance Plans, Blue Cross Assoc.) are in support of the expansion.  Your state of NJ already has the coverage (4 times the poverty level) that the expanded Schip would increase to.  I really don't understand what those who voted no are afraid of.  I think they forgot that they were elected by the people of their state and not Bush.  Although, they listen to him alot more than their constuitents.  Their sort of like robots obeying their commander.....or maybe it goes back to that idol worshipping.  
I read in one article that the proposed cigarette tax of .61 to pay for the expansion is not guaranteed because the increase in cigarette prices may cause people to stop smoking.  That was argued by a republican as an argument against.  I'm thinking to myself "and that's a bad thing????"

Mike, AL (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:39 PM)

Rana..3:25PM..your posts are awesome. I'm so glad you were able to get them through finally. Hope all is going well with you. I'm sorry to hear your mom is ill. I sent her two emails last night. I will send her get well wishes when done here. Take care of yourself Rana..keep up the good posts and I know what it feels like to finally get things off your chest..

Laura in Los Angeles (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:45 PM)

jen,il (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:06 PM)

I've been trying to post exactly where he's wrong in his list of fallacies in World War 2, but the moderator is screening me, I think.  *eyebrow twitch*

Kevin, Lincoln, NE (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:50 PM)

Message counts are incorrect with respect to posted comments. Something is dreadfully wrong here!

Poser Poster (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:50 PM)

Krista..my wonderful brother being 7 years older then I, to my mother's utter dismay, taught me Spanish cuss words when I was learning to talk. I'm told one day mom asked me something and out came those wonderful words my brother taught me. Mom knew where I got them from and promptly scolded my brother. But to this day I use them and many others and that is my excuse and I'm stuck with it!

Laura in Los Angeles (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:52 PM)

S. Bolinger St. Louis 2:26 PM..I always wondered why Justice Thomas is so angry. The chip on his shoulder is so obvious and I don't think it's because of the Anita Hill incident so long ago. Maybe he even doesn't realize where the anger comes from.

Laura in Los Angeles (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:55 PM)

"Interesting" quote from Dana Perino in this article re SCHIP: "We won this round." Honey, nobody won today. *&^$@?!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071018/ap_on_go_co/children_s_health

Krista Swisher, Indianapolis, IN (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:58 PM)

Boy, are people frustrated. Perhaps we should elect Stephen Colbert just for the hell of it as a message to both the Dems and Republicans all career politicians are on the American people's shit less. He couldn't do any worse then GWB, and most likely would do better.  

C A, Tuscaloosa, AL (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:58 PM)

jen,il (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:06 PM)

My satements were not wrong. You just added to them in some kind of attempt to justify.....Whatever you were trying to justify. But since you are interested in reading books now and then tell me why you avoided the fact how the FDR administration was justified in imprisoning thousands of innocent Japanese, while Germans were allowed to run free. Tell me why Roosevelt felt it was OK to Bypass German death camps in Europe and American POW camps in the Pacific, until. Why protecting allies was more important that protecting the american people, and why Bin Lauden, who has been hideing in the moutains for 6 years, has been allowed to travel throughot the world 10 years prior to 9/11 despite being wanted as a terrorist by the FBI

History repeats itself again (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:59 PM)

Doomed - I only wish your posts were not so spot on.  Let us not forget they never caught the person who sent anthrax to Senators Leahy and Daschell but they could tell it came from a lab inside the US.

jen,il (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:01 PM)

Wouldn't you think after five years of an Occupation, do we not get daily Iraqi updates, civilian body counts, ONE story about where corporate profits go, or why oh why Bush Oil Company doesn't train Iraqis stateside, in France or Germany if they REALLY wanted to leave the oil we murder people to steal. We trained Iranians in San Antonio on F-4's in 1971. One Nation Under a big fat oil boy from Exxon sucking the life out of this nation. GET MAD AND GET EVEN! I'm old. We fought this lesson lots of times before and they died at Kent State for it but 37 years later it seems the only thing that's changed is we're killing for oil this time and they learned how to hide tax breaks in a war appropriations bill and the Homeland Security Act so while young mens' lives ooze from their idealistic corpses, the Big Oil corporate sponsors are banking from the comfort of their 300 foot yachts Blood for Halliburton Oil of Dubai. Good Luck.

doomed (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:06 PM)

Krista..if you are a Deborah Kerr fan, seeing An Affair To Remember is a must. Take out the hankies, it's a tear jerker. I loved the movie Sleepless In Seattle where Rosie O'Donnell and Meg Ryan were watching it and teary eyed all over the place.

Laura in Los Angeles (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:07 PM)

The spying and fear mongering and threats to out freedoms are only going to get worse.  IF ANY OF YOU REMEMBER YOUR HISTORY, you would know what is happening with our government take over by these madmen.

Jesus wasn't a fascist (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:08 PM)

Larry Charleston, SC (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:14 AM)

All the prison guards are liberal democrats.  I think you are in trouble.

OJ (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:14 PM)

hello

update (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:20 PM)

Come to think of it as this is October, the current political scene reminds me of Halloween. I don't know if it was like this when you guys were kids, but when I was a kid our folks could send us out to trick-or- treat by ourselves with our friends. Now parents have to accompnay their kids or have nehogborhodd parties in place of trick-or-treating and then have to check their kid's candy when they get home. A sad reflection on our society. And not unlike Halloween we used to be able to have some semblance of faith and hope and confidence in our political represetatives and the system. Now we have to worry about the political system kidnapping our rights and  have to check what they do to be sure there are no pins or other dangerous items in their policies and actions. Happy Halloween.

C A, Tuscaloosa, AL (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:21 PM)

jen, il, thank you for the compliment. i pray to God, whatever it may be, for the day we don't need this blog any more because of this incessant insanity. Rove sent it to Daschle. I don't know how or if it's true, but it sounds soooooooooo much like something Rove would have done by someone else as one of his pranks. It is real Rove but no one will ever prove it. Also, anthrax was mailed to a business in Florida just after 9-11. It is all toooo odd, maybe just to start scaring the public more before the announcement of the INVASION, post 9-11 and pre-Iraq. This was the Energy Task Force Hearing time when they lined up the Big Oil CEO's so they undersood the Privatization Scheme. Democracy Now was the first to challenge the war plan and they reported about the task force hearing saying Pete Carroll, former CEO of Shell was concerned about privatization because of the horrific public image of forcing this wealth upon themselves by invading a sovereign state and just as importantly because they already enrich themselves beyond belief by sharing OPEC prices. It was all planned, orchestrated and served to America soaked in fear. It is beyond tragic. It is what the Republicans have become and it is unbridled, unprincipled greed and like King Midas they will starve to death eating their gold, oil that is, Texas Tea. I just see those poor G.I.'s faces walking through the slums waiting to die for Hunt Oil.

doomed (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:22 PM)

Kevin, Lincoln - My guess is they are screening you for length.  Clearly he does not have a firm grasp on the obvious.  

jen,il (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:22 PM)

Kevin from NJ,

I know that you mean well, and I even like some of your positions, but face it Bush/Cheney have never before shown that they understand the word 'compromise' -- it's not in their vocabulary.  

To them, compromise means "do it our way or you are a terrorist", and now 76% of American is sick and tired of their total disdain for the middle class.  

Carol, Long Valley NJ (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:23 PM)

OJ (5:14 PM Post): I knew it! I just knew there was a bright shining start of intelligence, humor and common sense behind all those "leave me alones".  

C A, Tuscaloosa, AL (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:25 PM)

History repeats- The only part of your post that is correct is that there is absolutly no justification of the Japanese interment camps in the US.  Bin Laden was funded by the CIA during Aftganistans war with Russia. As far as bypassing German death camps and American POW camps I can only say we lost hundreds of thousands of brave men fighting our way into those camps.  If you don't like the way we fought WWII please take it up with someone who cares and know it was nothing like the way we are fighting this so called "War on Terror".  I think we did a damn good job in WWII.

jen,il (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:34 PM)

Posting a 3rd time!  This time in bite-sized bits!

History repeats itself (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:25 PM)

I'll refute your claim on a point-by-point basis.  I don't expect to counter anything I say, because you didn't use your real name.

1.)  Equating Germany to Iraq and Al Qaeda to Japan.  Verdict:  Innacurate.  There was a DEFINITE ALLIANCE between Japan and Germany.  When Japan attacked us, we declared war on them.  Germany declared war on us.  We declared war on Germany.  When we declared war on Afghanistan to eliminate Al Qaeda, Iraq did nothing.  Nada in retaliation.

Also, REMEMBER.  When we invaded Iraq, why did we go in?  Where are those nuclear weapons again?  I'm sorry, you can't retcon your reasons for starting the war.

2.)  Evaluating Japan as a secondary threat and going after Germany first, despite the latter not being a threat to the USA.  Verdict:  Innacurate to flat-out wrong.  The Allies of WWII mutually agreed that Germany was the bigger threat, since the British were beset on all sides, nearly all of mainland Europe was in the clutches of Nazi Germany, and if Britain fell, Europe would be affectively lost.  The Allies in Europe promised their aid in the Pacific (however little it may be) once the more critical issue was resolved.

Also, it is RECORDED FACT that a vessel of the United States (USS Greer) was FIRED UPON by a German submarine BEFORE we declared war on them.  Several MONTHS before we declared war on them.  Within days of the Pear Harbor attack was committed, Nazi Germany had plans made up to prey on shipping along the eastern coast. This completely refutes your analogy that both Germany and Iraq hadn't the capability or intention to attack the United States.  Germany obviously did (and exercised that ability), whereas Iraq lacked the ability.

Kevin, Lincoln, NE (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:35 PM)

More Bite-sized bits!

3.)  The populace was anti-Japanese but not anti-German.  True, but lacking context.  Up until the latter part of 1941, WW2 was just another european war that the Americans could watch like a good boxing match.  Sure, the Germans were attacking our friends over there, but we shouldn't get involved.

Then we get sucker-punched by the Japanese, shortly after they shared pacts of peace with us.  They sent infiltrators into our midst, taking pictures and secreting information away, under the guise of being tourists or immigrants.  They shook our hands in peace, then the moment we turn our back they sank a dagger into our back and twisted.  Suddenly and shockingly, the United States was part of the War.  Panic ensued, since the attack was so sudden and shocking, and from one of our 'friends,' the knee-jerk reaction was obvious.

I do not doubt for a moment that if the Germans had sent several cargo ships full of explosives into, say, New York's or Boston's harbors and blew it all up as a prelude to war, the Germans would have been in camps just like the Japanese.

Kevin, Lincoln, NE (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:35 PM)

I miss the days all we had to talk about was the shade of Monicas lipstick.

jen,il (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:37 PM)

True, just keep on fiddling while Rome keeps on burning.  (And not metaphorically.)  

Anomaly (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:02 PM)

True -- I just re-read this, and I didn't mean to imply that you should burn -- only that Rome is burning.  In case you took it wrong, I apologize. Sometimes I just carried away on the wings of my metaphors.  (Oh my, is that another metaphor?)

Anomaly (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:38 PM)

Anomaly (Sent Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:02 PM)

A little long winded on this one.

The hole in the Dam scenario is very very inaccurate.   There is several orders of magnitude difference in complexity.  What Mr. Gore fails to point out in his little movie is that it appears the temperature is increasing, after which the CO2 increases – CO2 increases lag temperature increases.  So will reducing CO2 produced by humans halt the temperature increase?  I’m not sure we know that.  Also, one of the solutions trumpeted is the use of solar energy.  O.K. sounds good but there is a great deal of energy required to make conventional solar cells, in the realm of 5 gigajoules per square meter!   That is 5000000000 Joules.  Now the sun on a sunny day produces about 1 kW of power per square meter.  An efficient solar cell produced today is about 30% efficient, so 1 square meter could produce maybe 300 W, when the sun is shining.   Five gigajoules is about 1388 kWH (kilowatt hours) so it would take around 925 days of with continuous sunshine producing the maximum power from the meter of solar cell to make up the energy required to make it (assumption – 5 hours of maximum output/day which is optimistic given cloudy days and different seasons).  This does not include energy costs of getting the silicon, shipping the cells.  Bottom line is we would be generating a whole lot of CO2 to make the quantity of solar cells we would need to replace conventional energy sources.   There are all kind of other factors such as wh